Magnacast 5000

[Qiaozhi]

Gaussian "lens formula"

Like J Player, my suspicion is that the term "Forward Gauss" has been commandered by Dunning to add credibility to an otherwise dubious detecting technique.
Karl Friedrich Gauss was a German astronomer and physicist who is most famous for his contributions to the mathematical theory of magnetism. This is probably where Dunning originally derived the idea, although "Forward Gauss" is more related to optics than magnetism. By some sort of twisted logic, a LRL scam could be "based on" this concept, especially when you look at geometric diagrams used in the derivation of thin lens formulas. I guess the "Forward Gauss" idea (as applied to Dunning's LRLs) is that a focal point is created at a distance that somehow focusses a signal line into the device.
Yet another example of disjointed thinking, and hocus pocus pseudoscience.

[Mike(Mont)]

You might be on to something here with the focused optics analogy. I read in the download for the user's manual that the Magnacast 5000 is able to set the locating range--each setting is for a particular distance (in ten-meter sections). That appears to be some sort of focusing. Of course any waves in the electromagnetic spectrum can be focused, not just light waves. I also know that energy can be contained/routed along magnetic flux lines.

[J_Player]

Optics??

"Forward Gauss" is more related to optics than magnetism.

Interesting idea. Do you suppose there are optics inside the "Scan Gun" receiving antenna that comes with the magnacast 5000?

[Clondike Clad]

dell and electronics

I did not know about your electriccs education.
I was thinking you made your LRL UNIT.
dELL THE MAKERS OF YOUR LRL UNITS COULD BE THE REAL SCAMMERS AND USING YOU TO SELL THEM.

[J_Player]

Focusing energy

the Magnacast 5000 is able to set the locating range--each setting is for a particular distance (in ten-meter sections). That appears to be some sort of focusing. Of course any waves in the electromagnetic spectrum can be focused, not just light waves.

Maybe you figured it out. Cathode ray tubes routinely use charged metal aperatures to focus the electron beam, and can also use magnetic coils to focus as an alternative. I noted that Dunning has a background in television technology, which would mean he is familiar with these focusing methods used for electron beams.

According to the Vernell literature, the magnacast 5000 contains an AM transmitter as well as the "Scan gun" receiver. This "Scan Gun" has a cylindrical housing which could easily accommodate charged plates or coils that may be related to the "Forward Gauss" principle in some way.

[Carl-NC]

Sorry, been on the road a while...

Yes, I own a VR2000, the immediate predecessor to the VR5000. Both do not use dowsing rods. I also own a VR800, but it is a "Dell Systems" version*. It uses dowsing rods, like other low-end Vernell VR units, and there is no question it is a piece of garbage that cannot detect anything but gravity. The fact that Vernell sells these units is a huge strike against them, so before you give the VR5000 a chance, you should go ahead and assume it's a bogus device. Guilty until proven innocent.

Yes, the term "Forward Gauss" is an invention of Vernon Rose (Bill Dunning is his son-in-law, I believe). It's a nonsense term, sorta like saying "Forward Ohms" or "Forward Liters". We can safely assume it means absolutely nothing, toss it aside, and move on.

The question is, does the VR5000 work? I've never seen one, and never heard of anyone who owns one, so I can only go by the results of the VR2000, which supposedly uses the same concept. And in the brief tests I conducted a while back, the VR2000 would not detect gold. In fact, it appears to just pick up stray RF, much like what I've found with the Mineoro FG80.

Other priorities have kept me from doing any more testing on the VR2000, but based on what I've seen from it, the FG80, and the Gold Gun, it looks as if radio-receiver LRLs are becoming the preferred type of fantasy treasure locators. I'll try to pull out my VR2000 and take another look. Will also have it at the Treasure Expo for anyone who wants to give it a try.

- Carl

*Dell insists that Vernell made the unit, which may or may not be true... I can only go by what's written all over the unit and the documentation, which is "Dell Systems"... but it's probably identical to Vernell's VR800.

[Dell Winders]

I did not know about your electriccs education.
I was thinking you made your LRL UNIT.
dELL THE MAKERS OF YOUR LRL UNITS COULD BE THE REAL SCAMMERS AND USING YOU TO SELL THEM.

I may not have a formal education, but I do have 25 years of field experience in the use of so called LRL, and remote sensing Frequency Discrimination to know if this tool, works, or doesn't work, and to what extent, and the field limitations of all the electronic circuits that I have tested and used.

Yes, I do build my own Frequency Discriminators and build and sell them to other Treasure Hunters, on request. If I did not use them myself for 25 years and they didn't work as I claim, I sure as heck would not sell them to my fellow Treasure Hunters.

I purchased 2 of the Vernell, Forward Gauss instruments with electronic receivers and used them successfully from a boat, aircraft, and on land until operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for my use in 1988.

What has already been done with the field use of LRL, and Frequency Discrimination, can be repeated under the same conditions, and that is a fact.

[Carl-NC]

Dell, I deleted all the name-calling in your post. You've been warned about this before... from here on out I just delete the whole post.

If you can't discuss topics without calling people names, then please don't post here any more.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

That's O.K. Carl. Please delete the remenants you left of my post.

I understand your prediciment. I know you don't want to let truth, or fact get in the way of the Skeptic agenda.

Since you have proven the Mineoro FG-80 doesn't work have you tried to collect the Mineoro $50,000 challenge? Looks like you are a winner? Dell

[svenax]

I purchased 2 of the Vernell, Forward Gauss instruments with electronic receivers and used them successfully from a boat, aircraft, and on land until operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for my use in 1988.

So you are saying that the device does not work in present conditions? And what is it that has changed in operating conditions, causing the device to stop working?

[Clondike Clad]

test circuit

I
Yes, I do build my own Frequency Discriminators and build and sell them to other Treasure Hunters, on request.

Can you build us a test circuit like Carl so we can prove him wrong????????
I would be the first to post all on the circuits good or bad.

[Dell Winders]

NO! I said and meant exactly as I posted. "making it impractical for my use in 1988".

Is there not enough intelligent comprehension here to understand the english language without my having to repeat, or explain what I say? Dell

[Clondike Clad]

you don't need to get hard

Ok i won't ask but you don't need to be hard on us.
People don't like the way you talk to them

[J_Player]

Operating conditions?

I purchased 2 of the Vernell, Forward Gauss instruments with electronic receivers and used them successfully from a boat, aircraft, and on land until operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for my use in 1988.

It seems hard to guess what "operating conditions" deteriorated when Dell refuses to provide an answer. He has clarified that it was not practical to use in 1988, but we have no idea what operating conditions deteriorated, or when they deteriorated. They could have deteriorated gradually over a long period of time, or suddenly. We also don't know if the operating conditions recovered from their deteriorated state since that unknown time. "Operating conditions deteriorated" could mean any of the following:

*A period of solar flares or other atmospheric conditions changed resulting in unreliable performance.
*The device was struck by lightning, affecting the devices reliability.
*The device was rained on, affecting the devices reliability.
*Somebody dropped the device, affecting the devices reliability.
*The device was submerged, affecting the devices reliability.
*High temperatures caused the device to stop working properly.
*Excessive radio broadcast interference made the device unreliable.
*Interfering power lines were erected in the location where he wanted to use it.
*A severe storm developed at the location where he wanted to use it in 1988.

But more likely it was some other operating conditions that only Dell knows.

[svenax]

NO! I said and meant exactly as I posted. "making it impractical for my use in 1988".

Well, ok, but why was it impractical? Nothing to do with the functioning of the device then?

Is there not enough intelligent comprehension here to understand the english language without my having to repeat, or explain what I say?

You do realise that several of those who post here do not have English as first language, right?