Magnacast 5000

[Qiaozhi]

I'll let you know how it does.

When we hunt, we have a location of about 1/2 acre to check. When we are all there, some one checks E/W lines, another checks N/S lines. The other person sets up a mfd and films what is going on.

We circle the area if we get a line. To end up with 4 points that are N/S and E/W of each other, each person finds 2 points on his own and checks the other 2 points. MOST of this is in the blind until the compass comes out.

Some times we are on roads doing this 1/2 mile apart. We mainly use Examiners. thanks, LT

fenixdigger, like I said, I make no guarantees. There are going to be times you won't be able to get it to work as you would like, same as any MFD-type unit. But I can attest to a few times my L-rods could not find the target that I located it with the Magnacast. You should check with Vernell Electronics about their return policy. I think it is thirty days with restocking fee, but don't quote me on that. It's going to take time and lots of practice so plan on this.

Obviously you have no intention of ever performing a double-blind test, and therefore will remain ignorant as to the real cause of the effect you are experiencing.

[J_Player]

Obviously you have no intention of ever performing a double-blind test, and therefore will remain ignorant as to the real cause of the effect you are experiencing.

Double blind test from Mike(Mont)? Of course not!
Mike(Mont) has already explained his committment to the power of mind over electronic instruments for detection of signal lines:

"Someone who is skilled with the rods is going to be able to detect a signal line much sooner than with an electronic receiver"
...Of course with L-rods, the receiver is the human body, brain, nervous system, and consciousness necessary to "make sense" of it all. Even when using an electronic receiver, the person needs a brain and a few mental skills to interpret what is happening. Anyone who tries to compare this to a metal detector is either deceptive or --deleted--. You cannot compare the two.

...I can find a signal line without rods. I hold my arms out from my sides and relax my wrists so my hands point down somewhat. I call it the scarecrow stance. Then I walk around the transmitter (arms parallel to signal line) until I feel the psychic electricity. I can't pinpoint the target with this method, just the signal line. I use the Revelation Locator Rod. There is no other rod that has as low stiction. It has an extremely low start-up torque threshold that borders on the infinite. Of course it's not, but it's imperceptible.

...In my years of locating, NOTHING compares to a signal line when it comes to discriminating. Even with an MFD/HID, if you just use the sweep technique instead of crossing/tracing the signal line, you are not getting the physical discrimination, just mental discrimination.

We can easily conclude Mike(Mont) is not interested in using physical instruments to measure what he is sensing. From what he has told us, it should be obvious he considers the power and sheer knowledge that comes from the mind to be superior to anything an electronic instrument could detect or measure. The only physical appliance that could help is a good rod to act as an antenna to gather the energy of the "signal line" for a biological/mental experience. From reading Mike(Mont)'s previous posts detailing how he detects signal lines, it becomes apparent his method takes him traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.

What electronic instrument can measure what he sees there?
What human observers standing nearby could see what he sees there?
Do you really think he would allow anyone to try to document his performance?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

I'll let you know how it does.

When we hunt, we have a location of about 1/2 acre to check. When we are all there, some one checks E/W lines, another checks N/S lines. The other person sets up a mfd and films what is going on.

We circle the area if we get a line. To end up with 4 points that are N/S and E/W of each other, each person finds 2 points on his own and checks the other 2 points. MOST of this is in the blind until the compass comes out.

Some times we are on roads doing this 1/2 mile apart. We mainly use Examiners. thanks, LT

So....how did it go for you? How about sharing some of those films?

[fenixdigger]

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

[Jim]

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

Well good golly....you sure do make your blathering nonsense public.

Your belief in the Flat World Myth speaks volumes, as well.

[Qiaozhi]

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

I'm sure most treasure hunters are quite happy for you to remain in your delusional state, as it leaves more treasures untouched for them to find using real scientific instruments that actually work. It is just a shame that you cannot see past your own nose. No insult intended ... just a skeptical observation.

[Jim]

Comical Intermission

....using real scientific instruments that actually work.

From the H3 Tec website:

* H3 Treasure Detectors are scientific instruments, not toys; therefore, training is mandatory. The cost of training does not include airline or other transportation to or from training locations, nor does it include lodging, snacks, or meals other than those that are specifically identified in the official training agenda.


Intermission over. Thanks

[Qiaozhi]

From the H3 Tec website:

* H3 Treasure Detectors are scientific instruments, not toys; therefore, training is mandatory. The cost of training does not include airline or other transportation to or from training locations, nor does it include lodging, snacks, or meals other than those that are specifically identified in the official training agenda.


Intermission over. Thanks

Yes, but stating that the device is a scientific instrument does not make it true.
This is yet another way of ripping off paying customers.

[fenixdigger]

Still doesn't matter. Never will. I see what I see, you believe what you believe, who cares???

[fenixdigger]

I'm sure most treasure hunters are quite happy for you to remain in your delusional state, as it leaves more treasures untouched for them to find using real scientific instruments that actually work. It is just a shame that you cannot see past your own nose. No insult intended ... just a skeptical observation.

Well thank you for the observation.

I do own more conventional units than LRLs and use them more. they are spot on, especially the modded Minelab.

The majority in numbers was found with a sovereign, an Excalibur, a viper, a fisher, or a Garrett.

With the exception of a few rings, the more valuable were initially located long range, and dug using one of the coil units. Whether I was guessing or not, I would have never went to those spots without the LRL. If I was guessing, ok, I still made a recovery.

How do you look at a huge area and decide where to start? (with no info available)

[Jim]

Still doesn't matter. Never will. I see what I see, you believe what you believe, who cares???

That answer is obvious. You care. You care enough to fabricate unbelievable stories, and when challenged only offer a sharp tongue and a barrage of insults.

Validation? Not a requirement of a sociopath*.

*Pathological Lying - Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

[fenixdigger]

Good point. How does that change what I see and do? Believe what you want, I do what I want and have a good time doing it.

If I told all of what happens, you would really be screaming Liar,Liar. Not fabricated stories, actual happenings.

I guess if you were not able to conceive of some of these things, they would seem impossible.

The episodes with just the animals alone would drive you over the edge, much less the stories of the terrain and the vegetation.

I don't have a boring life, I don't have a need to exaggerate, believe it or not, ok with me.

I suppose a story about a black water dive to find megaladon teeth would set you off also

[Jim]

Good point. How does that change what I see and do? Believe what you want, I do what I want and have a good time doing it.

If I told all of what happens, you would really be screaming Liar,Liar. Not fabricated stories, actual happenings.

I guess if you were not able to conceive of some of these things, they would seem impossible.

The episodes with just the animals alone would drive you over the edge, much less the stories of the terrain and the vegetation.

I don't have a boring life, I don't have a need to exaggerate, believe it or not, ok with me.

I suppose a story about a black water dive to find megaladon teeth would set you off also

Oops...you seem to be drooling more sociopath blither*.

*Glibness and Superficial Charm

[Qiaozhi]

Still doesn't matter. Never will. I see what I see, you believe what you believe, who cares???

If you believe it's working for you, then that's fine. But some might say that this is a typical "head in sand" attitude. Just don't try to speak while you're down there.

[Qiaozhi]

Whether I was guessing or not, I would have never went to those spots without the LRL. If I was guessing, ok, I still made a recovery.

It looks like you are at least open to the possibility that it's total guesswork.

How do you look at a huge area and decide where to start? (with no info available)

An educated guess. The only thing a dowsing or LRL gadget will do is to help you subconsciously make the decision ..... and the ideomotor effect does the rest. After that a real detector is used to make the recovery, but the useless gadget gets the credit.