Dilliger by Andreas part 1 - general images

[Max]

Hi papanic . Why you dont give us the schematic and the details of antenna??
Is it a normal antenna and you use a timer to switch between Tx and Rx or it is a special type????
If you have the antenna details and the schematic is not a lrl then what it is????
I have sheen the detector by Andreas and it works but he dont give me any details about it. And i dont know why he send the schematic to you and not to me ????
The detector is working .... now we want the oreration principle..... does anyone knows....

Hi Geo,
does it work ? Please explain what you've seen on the field.
Maybe papanic have no permission to post schema, I'd like to see too but I'll respect him if refuse publishing here without permission.
Anyway, I think that if it could give some signal from far away metal objects maybe uses some ELF detection principle...that I know is erratic and hard to figure out what produces signal and why! Maybe someone discovered something new about ultra-low freq. generation/resonance due to buried metallic things and how to filter all the noise these devices are addicted to.

Who knows ?

Best regards,
Max

PS: it isn't the 800khz driven schematic what you are talking about (on page 1), right ?

[Esteban]

Papanic is RObert and he(they) don't have any information about antenna, no RObert, no Papanic. Awake! Was posted without permission of Andreas.

Now, Andreas learn the lesson. He post the schematic to other(s) and well...

[robert]

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Esteban, stop being smart ***! Papanic is not Me (RObert). I am not Papanic.
As far as i know, Papanic is Ioannis Papanikolau from Cyprus,EE, RF. My college.Already met him couple times on seminars! I dont know his intereset about decision to post that schematic here and i dont give a **** about it.
So stop acting smart, actually you are looking very stupid here,Scherlock!
With same analogy i can claim that you and Hung are same person, since both have simillar ideas,claims and phylosophy! Cant I?
BTW Hung is back again so you dont have nothing to worry about?!
Now it is gonna be more interesting; a lot of crap again, a lot of new bull**** threads with scam advertisments more here....? God help us!

[Geo]

Geo,

Very interesting that you have tried Andreas LRL and it worked for you. Can it be adjusted for gold only? I am a gold prospector and part time placer miner.

Thank you,

Randy

Hi Randy . I tried Andreas LRL before 10 months ago. Detector was very sensitive but it was not complete.
They were a lot influenced by rust metals. Now Andreas said that he regulated in order so to detects only gold (and why not after he detected the other metals). It does not interest me if it detects only gold but the operation principle. That we can locate the presence of metal from far.
Regards

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
does it work ? Please explain what you've seen on the field.

Best regards,
Max

PS: it isn't the 800khz driven schematic what you are talking about (on page 1), right ?

Hi Max.
It was so easy. Turn it on , put the sensitivity to middle or near max and go. You turn the lrl left and right and if you hear a beep you walk and watch the meter for max reading. So easy..........
I have not the real schematic of this detector but as i know the Tx frequency is 800 Khz.....
Regards

[ANDREAS]

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Afterwards the course, end publication of drawings. Complete drawings has only Esteban, also complete manufacture gift, I will only take one my friend Geo. When they are published drawings, without authorisation .....
You lose and you will wait for hope of finding something good. CONCLUSION.. Robert or Papanic (same person) will can helps you. They is very good and.....has... complete drawings

[Geo]

Hi Andreas . I think that you have right. If papanic don't post the rest of schematic (antenna....) here, then you are the authorizing owner of the "Andreas"LRL.
Regards (from Karditsa)

[Max]

Hi Max.
It was so easy. Turn it on , put the sensitivity to middle or near max and go. You turn the lrl left and right and if you hear a beep you walk and watch the meter for max reading. So easy..........
I have not the real schematic of this detector but as i know the Tx frequency is 800 Khz.....
Regards

Hi Geo,
thanks for the explaination. Seems really easy to use.
Now we have to discover how it works to define what's the operating principle behind this.

lets guess...

HERE ARE JUST MY GUESSES :

I'm sure there are problems with noise due to power lines etc like other lrl suffer from. I guess could be extremely unstable in presence of E fields.

Think that tx stage sends sharp step function bursts at 800KHz carrier frequency by a tuned antenna to minimize losses due to impedence asymm between osc section and radiating element(s) and think it need a gnd plane too.

I guess that it has a broadband amplifier in rx stage and then some kind of filtering system to get just only wanted variations on received signal. I guess too that device could be made by a kind of off-resonance detector where target signal unbalance normal cancellation thus resulting in audio signal.

Resonance point would be located, for me, at normal signal feedback response from clean "ground" - this is done in preliminary setup (putting sens at middle...).

Then after a short 800khz burst, signal is detected and then filtered. Must be some correlation between metal object and rx freq. variation (just few Hz or decade of Hz).

At the end, if guesses are right, I would consider it as an enhanced kind of TR/off-resonance metal detector, based on same idea of original off-resonance detectors with coils, but in the hi part of long waves spectrum, without search coils and with antenna(s).
Probably some ELF generation is due to burst function (generates infinite set of harmonics at various freq.) and what's detected is an interference due to sum or sub of main rx freq (due to soil matrix) and signal from object skin effects due to eddy currents flowing in surface of target.

To find out if this is true a simple test could be made using a 2x2'' piece of foil, buried say at 10'' underground from say 2 meters away.

AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST MY GUESSES don't take for rock-solid-solution...

IS USEFUL ? CAN DETECT STUFF UNDERGROUND ? WHAT KIND OF STUFF ? AT HOW DEEP? THERE ARE FALSE SIGNALS ? CAN DISC ?
I don't know can just guess - I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars to test myself one of these (and not even less).

Best regards,
Max

[robert]

equal

As i said before....

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Geo,
thanks for the explaination. Seems really easy to use.
Now we have to discover how it works to define what's the operating principle behind this.

lets guess...

HERE ARE JUST MY GUESSES :

I'm sure there are problems with noise due to power lines etc like other lrl suffer from. I guess could be extremely unstable in presence of E fields.

Think that tx stage sends sharp step function bursts at 800KHz carrier frequency by a tuned antenna to minimize losses due to impedence asymm between osc section and radiating element(s) and think it need a gnd plane too.

I guess that it has a broadband amplifier in rx stage and then some kind of filtering system to get just only wanted variations on received signal. I guess too that device could be made by a kind of off-resonance detector where target signal unbalance normal cancellation thus resulting in audio signal.

Resonance point would be located, for me, at normal signal feedback response from clean "ground" - this is done in preliminary setup (putting sens at middle...).

Then after a short 800khz burst, signal is detected and then filtered. Must be some correlation between metal object and rx freq. variation (just few Hz or decade of Hz).

At the end, if guesses are right, I would consider it as an enhanced kind of TR/off-resonance metal detector, based on same idea of original off-resonance detectors with coils, but in the hi part of long waves spectrum, without search coils and with antenna(s).
Probably some ELF generation is due to burst function (generates infinite set of harmonics at various freq.) and what's detected is an interference due to sum or sub of main rx freq (due to soil matrix) and signal from object skin effects due to eddy currents flowing in surface of target.

To find out if this is true a simple test could be made using a 2x2'' piece of foil, buried say at 10'' underground from say 2 meters away.

AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST MY GUESSES don't take for rock-solid-solution...

IS USEFUL ? CAN DETECT STUFF UNDERGROUND ? WHAT KIND OF STUFF ? AT HOW DEEP? THERE ARE FALSE SIGNALS ? CAN DISC ?
I don't know can just guess - I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars to test myself one of these (and not even less).

Best regards,
Max

Don't waste your time. This is a nonsense device.

[superfreq]

Hallo to everyone !

I guess that only the real owner of this machine knows if it works and up to which level, and as it seems, this is Andreas

Even if it works or not, the fact that a mindless gave the drawings without permission,... was immoral!

To test something and criticize if it works or not, needs first to build it.

During the last thousands of years, if we became what we are, is thanks to the free spirit researchers, who tried to solve the world's mysteries, without limitations and taboos! Today in 2007 it supposed that we learned at least... to saw some respect for claims, that we can't distinguish!

[Geo]

Do i need to repeat constantly here..??? Are you iliterate that much??
Papnic is other person, not me!
Besides, this is not LRL! It is something else like Papanic said....
You are just joker as Hung and Esteban, telling mystic stories here about some fantastic LRL device..??? He,he,heh!
All you being posted here is crap,nonsences.....can you prove anything!
Of course NOT! You cant prove a **** here!
You can onlu post more nonsences like Esteban and Hung!
Geo did you ever tried Zahori? It is acting same as you descrobed above!
Any conclusions? Same ****, useless ****! Cant detect anything in the ground! Zero!

Hi Robert.
Sorry but i never tried Zahori, so i dont know. The only thing that i know is that i tried the LRL by Andreas and it works. I never said that i found gold with it (i had it for short time) but it worked with iron, rust iron... and coper.
Now how it works....... i think that only Andreas and Esteban knows. I would like to see the schematic diagram but Andreas dont give it to me (Why Andreas....). If i had the schematic maybe to had modidied it..... maybe.
My regards

[ANDREAS]

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Where are drawing preamp antenna? Where are drawing dumy load? Where are drawing of antenna. I don't personaly interest itself for what has been published (they is useless for me), But I am very distressed for publication without personal authorisation. And one last.... THEY IS NOT LRL, BUT, CLEAN ELECTRONIC APPLIANCE
Robert or Papanic YOU ARE LOST also you and all really amateur, we are only to blaim you. I took good course. They is time to take also you.
regards

[michael]

Hi Geo, would you please write more about what you experienced?
what size iron ,from what distance and in what depth? what was area conditions?
a remote wilderness or near residential areas full of interfering factors?

[Max]

origami

Don't waste your time. This is a nonsense device.

Hi Qiaozhi,
just tried to figure out what's inside that "new" pistol... takes only 5 minutes...not much time.

Kind of relax, like making ORIGAMI or paper-planes.

Also some secret principles seems a bit digged out from a H.G.Wells' book ...and that's funny too.

I think (too) is nonsence device cause too low power is involved and there are too noise/false sources, too less directive "beam" etc and with that kind of S/N ratios is almost impossible make something "working" or "useful" , but just a semi-random beep generator.

Kind regards,
Max