Dilliger by Andreas part 1 - general images

[superfreq]

Robert you seem very confused! Relax man!!!!
I am new here, and this was just my opinion!

[michael]

Keep going

Hi to all and you Robert, I was busy hard, of course read all posts always, but have no nerve to consume for taking issue with somebody for nothing. it's not only me, but also so many of people all around the world are interesting to LRL affair. why? cos conventional detectors are highly limited and defective. mostly (nearly in all treasure finding cases) we seriously need toa good LRL. I accept all of these devices have limitations and problems, but they do some things are not all useless. I have told before some things seen myself which you never believe.
about FG80 still can't tell a conclusive result it's not useless and as another side is not what the producers claim, at all. of course I have detected one place and made a very carefully scan by Rover C and a complementary software designed by my genius compatriot (who is a member in this forum believes in LRLing strongly and may not satisfy to write his name) for OKM products even OKM guys are ignorant about this software which gives a very clear graph and shows some bad hidden targets at great depths as some people could find big treasury in 9-10 meters depth with its' help. it somehow confirmed target existence there, but I will put the decisive conclusions only when excavate the place and see with my eyes.
Robert, I remember well you never believed OKM products, but working with it is much hard and need to observe many punctiliousness as about FG80, but about FG80 I think we still haven't accessed these punctiliousness.
All people in world are waiting for a good LRL and we send our best hails and complements to those people like Andreas and Esteban who are seriously working on it. we kiss their hands. keep going good people , it seems other scientists not interested to this case as they regard only to things with billion of customers not thousands of customers.
of course I and my professional EE friend are making one good transmitter which works with 40 V and the amplitude never collapses during transmission. it transmits one very stable wave. will see what happens, maybe never works.
I will put only conclusive personnaly experienced results. Regards.

[robert]

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O.K. I am not sure that can follow your ideas.
What makes you think that radiated energy from TX will deflect from ...let's say burried coin in the ground??? Even if deflect, what makes you sure that you will receive it from long distance, also what makes you think that you'll be awared about received signal and its origin??
I am trying to say that whole principle here is wrong! Not gonna work! Never worked and it never will work.....ever never! Trust me on that!
O.K. you can detect coin with this method from ...let's say few mm..and nothing more! Whole idea is nonsence! Forget that! Wasted time!
If you still want to try....who's stoping you? Me? Of course not!
Good luck wasting your time!

[Locator]

My opinion about ANDREAS!

Hello,
I don't know ANDREAS personally,but i listen from a good friend that he is very serious person and that he try alot and he do good experiments about metal detecting!!!
So,i propose you to listen him and his ideas!!!

I wish to have ANDREAS friend of mine,then i could learn alot

I believe that little persons in the world do experiments like ADREAS!!!

This is my opinion!!!(robert don't take angry....cooooolllll.... ..)

With my regards to all the members of the Forum:

Christos-Greece
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[Qiaozhi]

Hello,
I don't know ANDREAS personally,but i listen from a good friend that he is very serious person and that he try alot and he do good experiments about metal detecting!!!
So,i propose you to listen him and his ideas!!!

I wish to have ANDREAS friend of mine,then i could learn alot

I believe that little persons in the world do experiments like ADREAS!!!

This is my opinion!!!(robert don't take angry....cooooolllll.... ..)

With my regards to all the members of the Forum:

Christos-Greece
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There is no problem here with Esteban and/or Andreas doing experiments with long range detection. Especially if they share the results here, and the Zahori is a good example of this. What we (the skeptics) take objection to is grandiose claims based on subjective evidence and a pseudoscientific approach. If someone here claims that they've built a device that appears to beep whenever pointed in the direction of a gold target, and that target is say 10 metres away, then lets hear about it. Let's not hear obvious BS about gold ions be emitted by longtime buried gold, that is detectable from 10 miles away!

So far none of the LRL proponents have managed to come up with even the minutest scrap of technical evidence in support of their claims. Surely there must be a simple experiment that proves the viability of the technology, if it's for real. Unfortunately all we ever see are dubious photographs of treasure supposedly discovered with an LRL. This is not objective evidence.

Sorry guys - but you'll need to do better than this.

[robert]

yes

"..robert don't take angry....cooooolllll.."
Cool! Why should I "take angry"??? You are mostly right!
I agree with you. Andreas could be very good man, why not?
I already know Esteban is good man! Although weird a bit...
Also i do respect their effort too! Trust me!
What i DO NOT LIKE and aprove here are nonsenced claims, made by
anybody not only Esteban and Andreas!
Problem started when they acused me that i am papanic, which i am NOT!
My good old friend Ivconic send me damn schematic via e-mail.
I took a "short" look on it and reply to Ivconic that i think it is
nonsence (if we talking about LRL). That is all! I never intended to
post it anywhere, simply i am not interested.
Later Papanic e-mailed me so i discovered that he is my old acquaintance!
Man i do meet occassionaly, RF expert also. He is claiming that schematic
is his own, although a bit changed...few components...So?
Think; i do know papanic - i dont know andreas! Who is "closer" to me?
To whom i should beleive here?
That is all!
I still respect and aprove good will,efforts....but i will fight against
funny claims about detecting coin on....xxx meters and simillar, which is
not possible and WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE EVER!!!
regards!

[Max]

Hi to all and you Robert, I was busy hard, of course read all posts always, but have no nerve to consume for taking issue with somebody for nothing. it's not only me, but also so many of people all around the world are interesting to LRL affair. why? cos conventional detectors are highly limited and defective. mostly (nearly in all treasure finding cases) we seriously need toa good LRL. I accept all of these devices have limitations and problems, but they do some things are not all useless. I have told before some things seen myself which you never believe.
about FG80 still can't tell a conclusive result it's not useless and as another side is not what the producers claim, at all. of course I have detected one place and made a very carefully scan by Rover C and a complementary software designed by my genius compatriot (who is a member in this forum believes in LRLing strongly and may not satisfy to write his name) for OKM products even OKM guys are ignorant about this software which gives a very clear graph and shows some bad hidden targets at great depths as some people could find big treasury in 9-10 meters depth with its' help. it somehow confirmed target existence there, but I will put the decisive conclusions only when excavate the place and see with my eyes.
Robert, I remember well you never believed OKM products, but working with it is much hard and need to observe many punctiliousness as about FG80, but about FG80 I think we still haven't accessed these punctiliousness.
All people in world are waiting for a good LRL and we send our best hails and complements to those people like Andreas and Esteban who are seriously working on it. we kiss their hands. keep going good people , it seems other scientists not interested to this case as they regard only to things with billion of customers not thousands of customers.
of course I and my professional EE friend are making one good transmitter which works with 40 V and the amplitude never collapses during transmission. it transmits one very stable wave. will see what happens, maybe never works.
I will put only conclusive personnaly experienced results. Regards.

Hi Michael,
of course I respect experimenters. Esteban and Andreas and many others here are folks that experiment on LRL and that's ok, I have no problem with that , it's their time, they can do whatever they want...of their time.
Absolutely ok. I consider everyone here as my friend, even without a PhD or diploma or whatever.

Problems are claims of LRL manifacturers. Some things are not scientific or are real scientific falses they made just to sell stuff to entusiast THs that have poor knowledge of electronics and science in general... that's the point.

"we kiss their hands" ehm well I'm not Tony Soprano... I don't kiss someone hands (with few exceptions) and kissing hands is often a kind of mafia' rule I don't want to follow and expecially if the hands are of some exotic manifacturer of fake devices...

I'll consider all folks here TH entusiasts first of all...and just no offended by their researches, experiments, schematics...never.

But claims must be enforced by proofs...and, as I Know, no one won the famous LRL Challenge here till now.
If that LRLs really work WHY NOT someone would partecipate, win and got the jackpot ???
Why there aren't patents ?
Why you must spend thousand of dollars to test by yourself just if one of these is a working device or just a piece of crappy electronics ?
Why opening the case of some you could find just some PVC pipe, brass...not
thousand dollars of components ...?
Why big manifacturer of metal detectors (Whites, Tesoro, Garrett, Minelab, etc) , that have state of the art equippment and technicians, don't want enter this market of LRL ? Are they worried about legal actions from consumers ? Are they scared of losing their fame and good name?

I can continue for long...

POINT IS:
I think one could also buy an LRL from Brazil or any other country if he want, but first of all one should ask himself (and to others) all those questions before dealing with such an expense, without any warranty of what bought really do what's supposed to.

Just my point of view

Best regards,
Max

[ivconic]

Vintage

Clondike Klad,
I thought it was more? I had over 1000 tubes in the past.
Friends took them all!? But i found those.
Most of them are used, 90% are in very good shape.
Those marked as "brand new" are mostly very old, in original
package...some of them dated from 193x...!
Very interesting is one with socket, from Wermacht, war tube!
Dont have idea of its purpose? It seems that it is made with
socket to easy pull out if needed (in hurry) sort of "key" tube!?
Also there is brand new and very small - micro tube, i guess
mostly used for car radios...at the time.
The rest you can see yourself, no need for comments.
Many of them doesnt have any label, i guess wiped out in time.
Some of them:
2E22,CF3,AK1,TACH1,UY1N,UM11,UF9,1T6,EBF2,AZ1,SC40 2,6C5,EM4,Z1,
UM4,6H6,EK2,EL2,UCH11,3A4,IL4,IR5,DL93,IS5,PL36,OD 3,ECH21,PL500A,
PCL84,EZ80,ECH83,PCL82,PY88,PC900,EF89,ECH81,PCH20 0,ECC40,ECF83,
ECH81,ECC83,PCF80,EBF89,PCF200,UCH81,PCF201,E180F, EAA91,EL41....
Also i have SW Radio CW 109/GRC 9 (ANGRC), brand new,never used!!!
I saw simillar in american war movies, usually attached on jeep...
It is with tubes, 2-12 MHz, 15 watts .
Require special voltage generator,also huge box but i dont have
it now. Think i can obtain it.
This radio is from military reserves, was in some abandoned storehouse
so long that became obsolete, never used, new and shiny!!! Wow!
Vintage for sure, good specimen for some collector!
I am ready to exchange all those for one metal detector, not expensive,
modest, analogue.....let's say some 1266 or simillar, maybe some
other Fisher or White's, maybe other....I dont mind as long as it can
be useablle....Problem would be shiping out of Serbia....Since weight
it may cost a lot...Best way should be to meet here...if close..
Damn! Still have same problem! Serbia is not member of EU and all costs
are much higher than it should be!

Regards!

[ivconic]

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[ivconic]

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[ivconic]

Secret device???



Pay attention! This is not secret almighty LRL....just ordinary radio!

Sorry cose those posts are far away of subject here! I will not do that gain!
Easiest way to find Clondike Klad here....
Sorry again!

[Max]

Pay attention! This is not secret almighty LRL....just ordinary radio!

Sorry cose those posts are far away of subject here! I will not do that gain!
Easiest way to find Clondike Klad here....
Sorry again!

Hi ivconic,
what a collection! There are really ancient tubes !
German ones I think could came from tactic-sensitive-machines ...I'm not sure cause I never saw any of these but the fast-socket shape you described seems could fit with the idea of rapidly making unuseful a tactic device (unplugging the tube...) or from plane operated equippment, where the on-board technician could change them to overcome during-flying failures of circuits. If it is so...maybe they could reach a good collector' value. If you can't sell to collectors here maybe you could using ebay, really easy.

Best regards,
Max

[michael]

Hi Max, I agree with some of your comments and respect to you and your knowledge.

Hi Michael,
Problems are claims of LRL manifacturers. Some things are not scientific or are real scientific falses they made just to sell stuff to entusiast THs that have poor knowledge of electronics and science in general... that's the point.

Yes, you're right, I agree with you.
BUT:.

"we kiss their hands" ehm well I'm not Tony Soprano... I don't kiss someone hands (with few exceptions) and kissing hands is often a kind of mafia' rule I don't want to follow and expecially if the hands are of some exotic manifacturer of fake devices... :

Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?

But claims must be enforced by proofs...and, as I Know, no one won the famous LRL Challenge here till now.
If that LRLs really work WHY NOT someone would partecipate, win and got the jackpot ???
Why there aren't patents ?
Why you must spend thousand of dollars to test by yourself just if one of these is a working device or just a piece of crappy electronics ?
Why opening the case of some you could find just some PVC pipe, brass...not
thousand dollars of components ...?
Why big manifacturer of metal detectors (Whites, Tesoro, Garrett, Minelab, etc) , that have state of the art equippment and technicians, don't want enter this market of LRL ? Are they worried about legal actions from consumers ? Are they scared of losing their fame and good name?

it has just one reason; searching for a small target (especially fresh) is so much different from a big target( real treasure) and especially very old buried, this causes inconformity to compare, judge and get decisive conclusion. one thing is the formed halo around a big old buried object.
these make conditions different for test to get a constant pattern.
but about state of the art; Minelab yes, Lorenze and DTI Genesis yes, Tesoro so-so(god bless the makers), but Whites and Garret oooofff , what a shame on manufacturers; full time-wasting junk toys, of course workable for coin shooting at surface in beaches.(regardless of many false signals for any mineral concentration).
Max pardon me for this opposition, but all are based on personally or others experiences and observations.

[Max]

Hi Max, I agree with some of your comments and respect to you and your knowledge. Yes, you're right, I agree with you.
BUT:.
Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?

it has just one reason; searching for a small target (especially fresh) is so much different from a big target( real treasure) and especially very old buried, this causes inconformity to compare, judge and get decisive conclusion. one thing is the formed halo around a big old buried object.
these make conditions different for test to get a constant pattern.
but about state of the art; Minelab yes, Lorenze and DTI Genesis yes, Tesoro so-so(god bless the makers), but Whites and Garret oooofff , what a shame on manufacturers; full time-wasting junk toys, of course workable for coin shooting at surface in beaches.(regardless of many false signals for any mineral concentration).
Max pardon me for this opposition, but all are based on personally or others experiences and observations.

Hi Michael,
that's fine. Your opinions and I respect.

"Or can interpret it as a modestly sincerity towards them. huuummm?"

No, the mafia' rule I mean that some secrecy behaviour (cospiracy of silence)all around that world of LRL seems (at least) suspect. I've explained I respect other points of view, ideas, designs, theories , experiments but we must rely on facts when we are talking about selling stuff to customers... you know. Also OKM seems have too much claims to be considered a totally safe manifacturer of TH devices... as I remember you had direct experience with OKM, so first hand impressions. I mean that customer need to know what's going to buy (expecially if price is of many thousand dollars) and should have a full set of rights first of all (but not only) INFORMATION. I mean you don't have to dismantle your OKM to know that's a fluxgate inside...I don't like some manifacturers behaviour , as signaled in this forum too, to take the money and then leaving the customer in troubles...
FULL INFORMATIONS MUST BE PROVIDED BEFORE BUY

About Whites and Garrett , well, some models are like you described, I agree. Toys... or the like. But others are good machines too and you can do good searches using them. Of course also these aren't like Minelab's!

Anyway, even if they are toys or just abit above toys they works !

I mean they all could detect e.g. a coin at 1inch in air!
Some LRL are proof can't do even this...

Best regards,
Max

[michael]

Max,You're right again and tell exact the same what I say always and am grieved for; defective manual or information, exaggeration and other things just to make much more money.
But when one detector works and is good help, regardless of cost of electronic components, it worthies. like OKM products, admittedly are not real GPRs and are only EM determiner, but do their jobs as the best on condition that you know all details and points that the producer never give a hint on them or perhaps are ignorant of those hints!!!!!
why do so?? A: cos to show them as a very simple and fantastic device.( exaggeration) this is also in Whites, Garret, or any other producer; unrealistic claims.

I've written in this forum before that knew a team were really successful, who found 6 big treasures with Omnitron + PI + Future 2005 mostly at great depths 6 and even 9 meters depth and after that all disappeared, but some guys ridiculed me. whereas never experienced or seen or heard one man has found good thing at great depth by those MD toys, never