some cosiderations

[Max]

Geo, you're right.

Or Carl open an exclusive thread for real discussion with real rules without any type of insults or criticism against the work of others.

If somebody failed at first time in make operable an electronic LRL, this is not reason for to discredite. Also I build several MD doesn't work, and maybe the error was mine, maybe not, etc.

Also I failed 1,000 times in build operable electronic LRL, and know several ways that it work.

Regards

Esteban

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me.

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

Are we all stupid and you are the master of electronics !?

The circuit doesn't work. Doesn't detect water flows and doesn't detect metals, dear Esteban.

It's a fact... not my electronic incompetence as you wanna guess by your pretentious post.

I've made a huge number of circuits/designs/PCB and I've experience of electronics many times what you'll ever understand... from your garage in Paraguay.

And bought units too, don't work. I've seen them in "action"... the random noise I mean.

Shame on you... storyteller !

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me.

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

I don't know if Ivconic failed, for example, but he is a happy seller of these.

Diplomas hanging on the wall no means you can build it, if you don't know the mechanism.

Yes, I'm story teller, because I have much history in it, so you hate me causes it, you have not register an only coin find, and also you don't finish yet your TGS coil.

Yes, my PCBs are uglies, but I don't feel shane when I show these. Show me the soldering side of your TGS, if fine I'll congratulate you! Yes! Sure!

Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!

Dr. House, you're not original because centuries before a man called Molière wrote a comedy regarding a doctor wich cure with stick! Very original your idol and the creators!

Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it.

Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more.

Regards

Esteban

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
it's my opinion, you can have your opinion different from mine. Not the point.

I, myself, built the zahori circuit with my hands, tested and found absolutely nothing in places where with metal detectors I found after ancient, long time buried metal objects.
Yes, but who says that Zagori works as a good LRL without modifications. Personally i never constructed it.


Your experience could be different from mine... ok... why not ?
Yes

Then I'd like to see these Andreas or whatever manfacturer unit be tested in a scientific way, like in the challenge... and win in front of a TV camera.
Why you don't buy one (for example a Vertex by thomas or the newer version ... sorry but i don't remember the name). I have one and it works good out of the ground but no with metals inside the ground. But it can detect from 300 meters about ....... how it work....... here is the problem.

Personal impressions are good to take personal conclusions... but just public demonstration can solve any dubt on the topic.
Untill that I'm free to say:

Are all fantasies and dreams, or stories (and often even frauds).
You can say everything you want but not every time again and again.
It is very annoying and tedious

Best regards,
Max

My Regards

[J_Player]

Maybe now is a good time to take the movie camera and make video to show performance of Zahori. Then post on U-tube for all to see. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi,
oh yeah... it's me.

And Ivconic ? too ? And Michael ? eh ?

I don't know if Ivconic failed, for example, but he is a happy seller of these.

Diplomas hanging on the wall no means you can build it, if you don't know the mechanism.

Yes, I'm story teller, because I have much history in it, so you hate me causes it, you have not register an only coin find, and also you don't finish yet your TGS coil.

Yes, my PCBs are uglies, but I don't feel shane when I show these. Show me the soldering side of your TGS, if fine I'll congratulate you! Yes! Sure!

Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!

Dr. House, you're not original because centuries before a man called Molière wrote a comedy regarding a doctor wich cure with stick! Very original your idol and the creators!

Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it.

Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more.

Regards

Esteban

Hi,
yes, me , Ivconic and Michael "failed" with that circuit.
Or better say that we didn't any mistake... just circuit doesn't work as claimed.

I've already tgs coils made (from bandido, are the same), have also original 9x8 (bought) and make others and I don't need to show to prove anything.

The fact you have hundreds of PCBs doesn't mean you fully understand what are you doing... and as you say "diploma" hanged on the wall it's a proof that you aren't just an homebrewer electronics but a person with hi-education.

Many people could take the soldering iron and copy pcbs from magazines, but without understanding what they are doing. Monkey job.

"Ugly or not ugly, sthetic is not guarantee of good working device!"

??? Cannot understand what you mean ^ "sthetic": maybe exterior of pcb ?

Of course exterior appearence of PCB is not a guarantee of working, but is a proof that at least construction follow right rules e.g. about flux removal, that is very important everywhere there is hi-amplification, like in this circuit.

Also soldering joints are important cause bad soldering work will result in faults in the circuit working.

"Don't worry, in any moment I'll post the New Zahori for to play with it. Also, maybe you can $tart a small bu$ine$$ with it. "

I'm not interested in any business related to TH.

"Here my "garage" and other things. As you can see, I have a poor labo, but you don't need more."

Poor doesn't mean not functional if you can tune things good, even with poor or old tools/instruments that is good.

Problem is that circuit doesn't work for detect water flows or metals.
It's a fact.

Also with a Nasa/JPL lab you'll fail in the mission of detecting water flows or metals with it. Circuit have no meaning for LRL if you exclude LRL of AC noise.

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

No, Ivconic don’t failed, he is a happy seller.

Max, but I don't understand, so, what a person with your high-grade knowledge replicate the Zahori with the fix idea that it work???


Many people could take the soldering iron and copy pcbs from magazines, but without understanding what they are doing. Monkey job.

With this perspective, to replicate commercial detectors is monkey job too.



... about flux removal

Yes, also in my ugly old Zahori's PCB the flux was removal. This was only a prototype. But also is important to build in fiberglass. In common PCBs there is fugue of current in order of 150 pA, fatal for high impedance ICs.


Problem is that circuit doesn't work for detect water flows or metals.
It's a fact.

I never sustain the idea for to find water, for example, is in the original text. This was the reason of the mods.

Michael had insistent beeps near a big rock, but he can't check why beeps nearby the rock. If you don't check, you never will be sure. The use of Zahori and the major part of electronic LRL stay in a point between the stability and the false signal. If you don't adjust in delicate point, you never will find metal with it.

Michael wrote:

Only in one place (very near a big stone) we had suspicious beeps for every time and from every side we had a different singnal there. may be was from under the stone.
here was the place we had searched it befor by our PI but had no signal .

Also Ivconic obtain some beeps in some places. If you don't be sure, check around the area with your MD. If your metal detector can't achieve the item causes the depth, found the origin of the beeps in the area and excavate and take your conclussion.

Also don't know wich version of the posted on thread you built. The first posting article was a reference, the original article. This doesn't work properly for metal, for example. No complicate version with switches. No connection pin 9 of the 4066 to negative lead.

Also I isolate the antennas of the box with fiberglass PCB pieces. You can use teflon too. No plastic box, yes wood, don't know performance in metal box.

Regards

Esteban

[humhum]

Yes, Esteban is correct in this point. Metal detector can sniff at some meters object size of a coin. A good system is off-resonance type at frequency between 60 to 160 Khz. Always, here, the problem is that this system need metal buried for some years for to be detectable. IR is very but VERY GOOD. No for to measure the temp, no, as a type of antenna that collect the phenomenom, an "electric field", or directly IR emission of metals. He post many types of pistols olds and news, so is a reality. I found a small object that EVER causes problem in electronic long distance detector, look in the video that is not very insistent for the size, but there are. The object I found (several times found the same type) causes a RESONANCE or microspark, DON'T KNOW, but Esteban discover this effect he call "effect E", at 5-7 meters of the detector-system. Download video here (take with cellular, sorry quality), more than 2 Mb:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/smrfnz

More later the object.

Hi Nihil Roma Maius , Please post this video link again.