Ultra Science For Detection

[Carl-NC]

And if it were a comparison test between my LRL and your PI on finding a 1 oz Gold bar buried 2 meters deep you wouldn't stand a chance of winning.

Are you saying that you could locate a 1 oz gold bar, buried 2 meters deep, with nothing but an LRL? If so, could you locate it if it were only buried 2 feet deep? Or 1 foot?

- Carl

[J_Player]

It seems that if you ask Dell to see something substantial to demonstrate what he says is true, Dell will call you deceitful, pretender, liar, etc. rather than demonstrate his LRLs working.

Hahahahaaaa.. I todja so....

Dell, is that the best you can do? call everyone a liar, and now the conspiracy crap? Why not just demonstrate one of your LRLs finding a hidden treasure? This will end any arguments about whether your LRLs work or not.

I read on your website how the Dell X-Scan finds hidden money easily by all the people who sent in messages: http://www.omnitron.net/del_prod.htm. Is this just a bunch of fake stuff you put on your website? Or can you demonstrate your X-Scan actually doing what is described on that page?

We don't need any more sneaky marketing gimmicks. We don't need to read about more people wishing they could have their money back for equipment that just didn't work. Perhaps if you were to perform a simple demonstration of your LRLs doing what we read they do on your website, in front of witnesses, then you will have some basis to tell us we are wrong.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

J PLAYER & ALL;

Make no mistake abnout it. In the U.S. the Owner of a website is legally responsible for it's content.

J Player, your malicious and fraudulent accusations against my charcter and, livelyhood have overs tepped legal and ethical limits.

Unfortunately, Carl Moreland, this website owner appears to unapologeticly condone, and encourage such fraudulent behavior with the intentional purpose of public defamation of character and depriving me of an honest livelyhood.

I will no longer accept these blatant atttacks against my life long reputation of honesty and integrity.

I am filing complaints against this forum and it's proprietor, with the appropriate authorities, and I will do everything possible to get this website shut down which does not exclude the possibility of civil action.

I do expect all posts and reports that attack the products I sell and defamation of my name and reputation to be removed immediately and apologies for your public lies about me forthcoming.

Dell Winders, Dell Systems - Omnitron

[Max]

Hi Dell,

a Civil Action ?

Now I'm even more puzzled !

Of course you can... sue people here if someone made wrongs to you!

(even if I think it's not the case)

I'm not puzzled of that thing... but was thinking :

At trial, defence could ask you to demonstrate that LRL you sell are working devices, as claimed on your website (something like the challege, with witnesses etc) and judge may approve that test to be performed!

And then also rule indirectly about LRL industry claims by judgement, or not ?

Could be an interesting case!

Think twice, my friend.

Kind regards,
Max

[Elie]

J PLAYER & ALL;

Make no mistake abnout it. In the U.S. the Owner of a website is legally responsible for it's content.

J Player, your malicious and fraudulent accusations against my charcter and, livelyhood have overs tepped legal and ethical limits.

Unfortunately, Carl Moreland, this website owner appears to unapologeticly condone, and encourage such fraudulent behavior with the intentional purpose of public defamation of character and depriving me of an honest livelyhood.

I will no longer accept these blatant atttacks against my life long reputation of honesty and integrity.

I am filing complaints against this forum and it's proprietor, with the appropriate authorities, and I will do everything possible to get this website shut down which does not exclude the possibility of civil action.

I do expect all posts and reports that attack the products I sell and defamation of my name and reputation to be removed immediately and apologies for your public lies about me forthcoming.

Dell Winders, Dell Systems - Omnitron

Hi Dell
If I can prove to everyone that existing long range locator technology, implemented by well known long range locator companies, actually finds treasure, will you promise not to sue anyone, and
shut up?

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,

Go ahead and sue us, Dell. We can let a judge and jury decide whether we told any lies, or if it was you who made defamatory remarks. Why not sue Randi too, while yer at it? As Max said, I'm sure the attorney for the defense will ask to see you demonstrate the X-Scan finding hidden money, and the V.R. 800 finding hidden coins in front of the jury.

The fact is, you would rather launch attacks against anyone who posts an opinion that your LRL's can't find hidden treasure than to demonstrate what your LRLs do. If you really intended to sue anyone, wouldn't you have done it long ago when you claimed Randi lied about your failed test results? Is your threat of a lawsuit more bogus "wind from Winders", or can we expect to actually see you demonstrate your equipment in court?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

J PLAYER & ALL;

Make no mistake abnout it. In the U.S. the Owner of a website is legally responsible for it's content.

J Player, your malicious and fraudulent accusations against my charcter and, livelyhood have overs tepped legal and ethical limits.

Unfortunately, Carl Moreland, this website owner appears to unapologeticly condone, and encourage such fraudulent behavior with the intentional purpose of public defamation of character and depriving me of an honest livelyhood.

I will no longer accept these blatant atttacks against my life long reputation of honesty and integrity.

I am filing complaints against this forum and it's proprietor, with the appropriate authorities, and I will do everything possible to get this website shut down which does not exclude the possibility of civil action.

I do expect all posts and reports that attack the products I sell and defamation of my name and reputation to be removed immediately and apologies for your public lies about me forthcoming.

Dell Winders, Dell Systems - Omnitron

Why am I not surprised?
When you sell devices based on extremely dubious scientific principles (and by that I mean pseudoscience) than you must expect criticism. As mentioned recently on this forum, you took Randi's LRL challenge and were found to be wanting. This double-blind test used a scientifically proven method that removes any subjective measurement caused by self-delusion and selective memory. Once your devices were tested in an objective manner they were found not to work as advertised.
I don't know what the equivalent is in the U.S. to the UK's Department of Fair Trading, but I'm sure they would be very interested in investigating your exaggerated claims.

[J_Player]

Hi Qiaozhi,

I don't know what the equivalent is in the U.S. to the UK's Department of Fair Trading, but I'm sure they would be very interested in investigating your exaggerated claims.

In the USA we have the Federal Trade Commission who investigates fraud perpetrated on consumers. Apparently they are not interested. Perhaps they are more concerned practices that defraud a larger number of people than a few treasure hunters who believe Dell's LRLs can show them where treasure is. Even Randi commented about this 8 months ago in his reply to Dell's email:

WILL YOU OR WILL YOU NOT DEMONSTRATE YOUR DEVICE AND WIN THE MILLION-DOLLAR PRIZE? You are advertising and selling a device which you claim works, yet you will not SHOW that it works, and win a million dollars?

That’s a yes-or-no question, Dell Winders. Either you will, or you won’t. If you won’t, the only reason I can imagine is that you know the Omnitron doesn’t work, that it’s a fake, and you know that you can’t win the prize – yet you continue to sell it to suckers who you thereby swindle, safe from any FTC interference because they just don’t care, and you know it.

Randi's reference to the FTC is the Federal Trade Commission. In the USA, defrauding consumers across state lines is not a civil offense, but a criminal offense which is handled in the juristiction of a federal court.
Read Randi's full reply here: http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Comment from a a recent observer when I made the location of a cannon buried 20 feet underground and computer imaged on Geophysical software with data from an E/M.

Hmmn! It kinda makes you wonder why a ranking aerospace engineer, having 23 years with the same company would offer such a different opinion of my products than any of you?

I guess It's kind of hard for folks to figure if he's lieing, or you are lieing?

Dell rules! What a cool guy and demonstrated technology beyond my aerospace engineer's comprehension.

[Nihil Roma Maius]

I have the original box for the VR800. The shipping label says it came from Dell, not Vernell.

- Carl

Not prove nothing, as Esteban's pics. OK?

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,

I guess It's kind of hard for folks to figure if he's lieing, or you are lieing?

The only person accusing anyone of lying is you, Dell Winders.
Only you have called people deceitful, liars, and pretenders. And so far you have offered no proof to suggest any of these accusations are true. Nihil Roma Maius is right: Photos and stories prove nothing. The only way you can prove anyone lied is if you can first prove that your LRL equipment will find the hidden gold, contrary to what Randi says, then also prove that Randi had knowledge that your LRL did find the hidden gold enough times to pass the test at the beach.

Nobody in this thread posted that your LRLs don't work. I simply asked if they can find a hidden 10 ounce gold bar from 10 feet distance, and asked to see a live demonstration of this. When Qiaozhi said he does not think your Omnitron works, he was voicing an opinion in response to your question, which is a freedom allowed in the UK and in the USA.

It was only Randi who actually saw your live demonstration of the "Dell Omnitron V.R. 800" failing to find the gold coins hidden in the sand. Was Randi right when he said the Omnitron is a fake, and it doesn't work? If you can prove in a court of law that he is lying, then why don't you? If you can't prove it, we will understand. But don't expect us to believe your products work when you refuse to stand behind them in a live demonstration to show what they can do.

I asked you which of Carl's contest rules would prevent a LRL from locating the hidden 10 ounce gold bar.
I also asked if you can demonstrate your X-Scan actually doing what is described on your web page.
I also asked if your LRL can find a hidden 10 ounce gold bar from 10 feet distance.
But you never answered any of these questions.

So what are the answers?

Which of Carl's rules prevents your LRL from finding the cup where the gold bar is hidden under?
Why won't you demonstrate your X-Scan doing what we read that it does on your website?
Can your LRL find gold from a 10 foot distance hidden under a paper cup?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Elie]

Answer my question, Dell.

[Rudy]

When I started my career as a young electrical engineer, I had a
wise old boss, who had done his internship with D'Arlington. He
always had great stories to say, but what I still remember, after
all these years was his favorite saying:


Even if you try, as hard as you can,
you can't make chicken salad
out of chicken sh#t.

[Dell Winders]

Something for liars to ponder. The VR-800, or Vernell products did not exist when Randi conducted the MFD test.

Kinda makes folks wonder why Carl, would condone and support such lies on his website.

Oh yeah, it's because he is one of the creators of the VR-800 lie to help Randi cover up his lies, and you guys are doing them the favor of perpetrating their lies, at my expense, of course. Very intelligent thinking.

ELLIE, go ahead and prove whatever you are going to prove. Don't let what I say stop you. Dell

[Dell Winders]

I have the original box for the VR800. The shipping label says it came from Dell, not Vernell.

- Carl

Not prove nothing, as Esteban's pics. OK?

NIHILL, don't worry about it. Carl, is being coy by pretending to be stupid. The world knows, and Carl knows that at one time I used, & sold Vernell products. It's no secret. Dell