New gold detector!!!

[Max]

I'm the cure !

[Seden]

Hi Max!

Max,

I've noticed since my most recent post above, haven't heard a peep out of Iconos. I'm very serious about meeting with someone in Southern California that has one of his units,so will see when Iconos comes back to this thread.

Randy

[Max]

Max,

I've noticed since my most recent post above, haven't heard a peep out of Iconos. I'm very serious about meeting with someone in Southern California that has one of his units,so will see when Iconos comes back to this thread.

Randy

Hi Randy,
yes you are right. We have to wait and see and test if possible.

Who knows ? maybe they found something new.

I'm interested too if there is something true working in their devices...
my , as you know, is mainly academic interest... but I could also buy one of these if they prove that their products work.

Kind regards,
Max

[Rudy]

Hi Rudy,

The answer to your question of how the Iconos discriminates gold is given on their web page: http://www.iconos-md.eu/The method of discriminating is the Iconos revolutionary gold sensor. This is their trade secret, so we cannot expect them to reveal their secret method.

Your inference that traces of metal ions from zinc would be stronger than traces of gold ions seems reasonable to me. I have read reports where lakes were poisoned by dissolved zinc compounds leaching from the soil, but never a report of gold ions concentrated to the amount where it could poison a lake. I believe any faint trace of gold ions would be millions of times less than dissolved zinc.

With respect to trade secrets, Carl did not ask to know Iconos method to locate treasure, but he did ask to see some reports from published scientists who describe this ionic and electrostatic fields that Iconos says exist around long time buried gold. We are still waiting to see the scientists reports so we can read them. We are also waiting to read the reports Carl asked for to read about published archaeologists who used the Iconos to locate treasures.

Best wishes,
J_P

It is so effective and revolutionary, that they've decided to make it a trade secret rather than seeking patent protection.

Sounds like a variation of the Continuously Replenishable Anion Particles detector.

[J_Player]

Who are "We" ?

Don't worry Max, You are one of several persons who I never included in the "we" I talked about. Are you still posting guesses instead of facts?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Don't worry Max, You are one of several persons who I never included in the "we" I talked about. Are you still posting guesses instead of facts?

Best wishes,
J_P

are you still posting nonsenses and lies ?

Kind regards,
Max

[iconos-md]

To all members of the forum

To all members of the forum
We would like to point out some facts relating to the testing and demonstration of our Gold detectors that many of you demand before buying from us.
First of all you all know very well, that we are a new company on the worldwide market. Only since last week we have begun to deliver our first orders and we will not hide from you the fact that we can just barely cover production demands. We also want you to know that we manufacture most parts of the detector inhouse except for the Gold sensor,which is specially buit by another company, our partner, who wish to remain anonymous for manufacture secrecy.
Some members of this forum have asked for demonstration units and promise to present the results to the Worldwide forum, and we certainly support this and also naturally would like this publicity also. However there is a problem concerning this matter, which we wish to explain. If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.
We cannot afford to stop our production and sales for the duration of the testing and publishing of the results in order to satisfy some skeptics.
The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality, because this is a very big expense with doubtful results and a waste of time and money for us. We do not ask at this moment for opinions about the effectiveness of our detectors, just as we do not ask from our customers to present the positive results, because we know that each one prefers to keep for himself his findings, and we respect that.
Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company. But since you are our future clients we must respect your views and opinions, and also we will accept your offer for testing and demonstrations as we have already found a way which will benefit everybody and make this possible.
We only need some more time to stabilize our production rate, and also to acquire the manufacturing know how process for the Gold sensor in order to manufacture this part inhouse also, since it is very costly and difficult to manufacture. Only then will we be able to acquire free demonstration units for the forum in order for people to test and see if our detectors really work 100%.
So you understand that we have NO DOUBTS about the reliability of our detectors, we only need some more time to have available some test units so that we can show the worldwide market what our detectors can achieve.
We thank you all for your understanding.
The iconos Team

[Qiaozhi]

To all members of the forum
We would like to point out some facts relating to the testing and demonstration of our Gold detectors that many of you demand before buying from us.
First of all you all know very well, that we are a new company on the worldwide market. Only since last week we have begun to deliver our first orders and we will not hide from you the fact that we can just barely cover production demands. We also want you to know that we manufacture most parts of the detector inhouse except for the Gold sensor,which is specially buit by another company, our partner, who wish to remain anonymous for manufacture secrecy.
Some members of this forum have asked for demonstration units and promise to present the results to the Worldwide forum, and we certainly support this and also naturally would like this publicity also. However there is a problem concerning this matter, which we wish to explain. If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.
We cannot afford to stop our production and sales for the duration of the testing and publishing of the results in order to satisfy some skeptics.
The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality, because this is a very big expense with doubtful results and a waste of time and money for us. We do not ask at this moment for opinions about the effectiveness of our detectors, just as we do not ask from our customers to present the positive results, because we know that each one prefers to keep for himself his findings, and we respect that.
Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company. But since you are our future clients we must respect your views and opinions, and also we will accept your offer for testing and demonstrations as we have already found a way which will benefit everybody and make this possible.
We only need some more time to stabilize our production rate, and also to acquire the manufacturing know how process for the Gold sensor in order to manufacture this part inhouse also, since it is very costly and difficult to manufacture. Only then will we be able to acquire free demonstration units for the forum in order for people to test and see if our detectors really work 100%.
So you understand that we have NO DOUBTS about the reliability of our detectors, we only need some more time to have available some test units so that we can show the worldwide market what our detectors can achieve.
We thank you all for your understanding.
The iconos Team

This is quite understandable, and I would certainly be giving the same response if I was in your position. However, some people may say the real reason you are refusing to supply demonstration units is that the feedback will inevitably be negative, which of course will impact any future sales of your product. Basically you cannot win, whether you supply demo units or not.
If (on the other hand) your detectors really do perform as advertised, you should not hestitate to enter Carl's $25,000 dollar challenge and win. In that case Iconos would be the only LRL manufacturer able to backup their claims.
Personally I will not be holding my breath in expectation.

[Carl-NC]

If we begin to offer demonstration units this period for testing, it will be a disaster for our company. All potential new customers will not buy our detectors, but instead they will wait for the results of the test trials, which will mean the stopping of our production, halt of sales until the results are published, in order for the person who is interested to be able to purchase a detector.

Practically all major detector manufacturers supply test units for user field evaluation and feedback. This is usually done prior to production, but you could still do so now, and there is no need to announce that this being done, therefore no impact on sales. I would gladly test your locator, exactly as you specify, and maintain complete secrecy until the both the tests and the report are completed.

Or, just let me know when a U.S. customer buys one, and I will work directly with them.

- Carl

[Max]

Hi,
so...nothing new !? what a surprise !

words, words, words... as you want.

novels ?

facts = 0
proofs = 0
patents = 0 (?)

A misterious "partner company" that made the sensor... and this will make sound some bell in your head , all of you beliving in the magic of crystals.

Oh sure... suppose I'm an LRL manifacturer...
if I "waste" my time showing to people my device I'll damage sales...
of course... expecially, if device doesn't work as claimed,
cause otherwise if it works... why not showing that to the world!?

I'll gain advertise for free worldwide and thousands of customer in minutes from all around the world if stuff goes on CNN and be reported as the unique LRL-thing that really work !

C'mon... be real. You wanna sell stuff without providing any proof or fact.

Not serious approach for me... maybe for others yes... but for me it's not.

Your device could also be working but I'll never buy one first of seeing it in action... or a report on a specialized magazine... too many frauds about fake-LRLs. I don't wanna be the next fool !

Fact that you still ADVERTISE here your product without saying nothing more about technology and even specs of product e.g. detection ranges for diffent items , soils etc it's another proof you wanna just sell stuff.

But you're also explicit: the fact someone say that want first sell stuff and then after promise he'll give proof of working say everything for me.

He could just keep the money and disappear... like Woody Allen in "Take the Money and Run"

Iconos when you'll provide demonstration of your products ?
After earned your first 1,000,000$ or why not instead... await 10,000,000$

Give us some light on your time-line.

Best regards,
Max

[Buzz(ID)]

I no electronic genius, what do you do when you encounter micro wave towers?

Buzz(ID)

[J_Player]

The demand for demostrations and tests from private individuals and professionals alike cannot become a reality... Therefore you must understand that any effort on our behalf for the time being to convince the few skeptics who doubt the effectiveness of our Gold detector will generate many problems and delays for the many customers who want to buy this product, and this will not be good strategy for the reputation of our company.

This pretty much answers the question. Iconos says the demonstrations and tests cannot become a reality. Therefore, The very few skeptics (and any others who read this forum) may continue to think this machine does not work, while Iconos Proceeds to fill the orders for the "many customers" who are not skeptics from this forum.

The bottom line of Item 1:
Iconos refuses to provide a demonstration even if all expenses are paid in Italy.

Bottom line Item 2:
Iconos still has not produced any references to the published scientific papers that support the claimed methods.

Bottom line Item 3:
Iconos still has not told us of any archaeologist who used the Iconos locator to find treasure, or told us of any person in the USA who owns an Iconos locator that we can talk to.

Does this mean Iconos is afraid to demonstrate their locator, because they are afraid of the catastrophic financial ruin they would endure if it was observed their locator did not work?
Does this mean it is it true there are no published scientific papers to support the methods that Iconos told us about?
Does this mean no archaeologist ever used an Iconos to find treasure, and there is no Iconos owner in the USA available to talk to about their experience with the Iconos?

Iconos offered some excuses, but the bottom line is they will not demonstrate their detector, they will not provide any reference to scientists who wrote papers to support the claimed methods, and as far as Iconos has demonstrated so far, nobody on earth has ever found a treasure with an Iconos machine. Thus, for all practical purposes, customers are paying $7000+ USD for some talk and promises, not for results. I think I will wait until after I see the "many" satisfied customers with their amazing treasures before I send in my check.

I say let Iconos fill their "many orders" and let's see the "Many customers" post photos of their amazing treasure finds in the treasure hunter forums, and tell us all how wonderful the Iconos is, same as the thousands of happy Mieneoro customers do.

Best wishes,
J_P

[iconos-md]

iconos answers

Bottom line Item 2:
Iconos still has not produced any references to the published scientific papers that support the claimed methods.

J_P

Jplayer
If you run a search on spontaneous potentials and electrochemical potentials on the internet you will see for yourself all the reference you need on this phenomenon.
Now as to how we go about to detect this phenomenon and how we discriminate these static fields is another story,which is confidential.
So I dont understand why would you disagree with these tried and tested geophysical methods which are used everyday?

[J_Player]

I just finished searching "Spontaneous Potential" as you suggested. However, I did not find any published scientific papers supporting the principles you described. Most of the websites I found talked about nerve endings and spinal chords of animals, while a few referenced oil exploration companies who measured millivolt charges in rock masses in their boreholes. These borehole methods described using a grounded rod to reference the voltage of different rock masses in the borehole. They had nothing to do with sensing ions in the air. Here is what Wikipedia says about "spontaneous potential" which is similar to the few other geotechnical references --

"The Spontaneous Potential log, commonly called the self-potential log or SP log, is a measurement taken by oil industry well loggers to characterise rock formation properties. The log works by measuring small electric potentials (measured in millivolts) between depths in the borehole and a grounded voltage at the surface".

This spontaneous potential is basically a method to identify clay and shale layers deep in a borehole which will have a different millivolt charge than sandstone because of a difference in salt content. It has nothing to do with long range location treasure through the air by means of the ions and earth's static charge as you described.

Since I cannot find these published scientific papers you claim are there, perhaps you could provide a few of the websites links to published papers that support the Iconos method you described locating treasures by means of ions in the air in combination with the earth's static field.
Keep in mind, we are not asking to know the secret electronics you use, only some published scientific papers that support the fact that treasures can be sensed through the air at long distances by the methods you already described of ions and the earth's static feild.

So I dont understand why would you disagree with these tried and tested geophysical methods which are used everyday?

Do you really think we are so stupid to accept your innuendo that I disagree with SP logging methods? Perhaps you did not understand the requset, or perhaps you are pretending not to understand. So I will re-state what I already said in different words:

I do not disagree with tested borehole methods of identifying different rock masses due to different salt contents. Nor do I disagree with the research that was done on the spinal chords and nerve endings and other biological tissues. My opinion is these tested methods have nothing to do with locating treasures at long distance through the air. They have nothing to do with Iconos. My opinion is they are fake references that Iconos uses to try to fool people into giving them money for a non-working machine. My disagreement is that Iconos has never shown us any published scientific paper that supports the methodology of detecting treasure through long distances in the air by means of ions and the earth's static charge.

The very few things we asked for are things that Iconos has refused to demonstrate or supply links to reference material published by scientists that we can read.

There is no need for me to repeat these few requests again, Iconos has utterly failed, and demonstrated that we are only to be given unsubstantiated words from Iconos...

•No real science published by a scientist.
•No real live demonstration of the Iconos finding treasure.
•No reference to any published archaeologist who ever used an Iconos detector to find treasure.
•No information about anyone who owns an Iconos detector in the USA.
•And Iconos also refused to accept an expense paid trip to italy to demonstrate the Iconos working.

My belief is only a fool would pay $7000+ USD for a treasure finding machine with no credentials and fake science links, and the manufacturer refuses to demonstrate the treasure finder working.

And this is the reason I am convinced for all practical purposes, customers are expected to pay $7000+ USD for some talk and promises, not for results.

Am I right? Or can you provide some links for us to read that were written by scientists to support the notion treasure can be located from a long distance through the air by means of ions and the atmospheric static charge?

Best wishes,
J_P

[putrechigi]

to hope

in italia who has this passion it knows thousand and thousand places of various epoches where impossible not to find something of gold that they is found by hundreds of years would be, we could try the various lrls or as they call, the hope that one of their functions really I believe that the heart of all those feeds that come in this very beautiful forum, with this I don't want to say that the various metals don't work but their omission in tests or gives, it doesn't make him a lot of honor, I believe that don't cost very to wait for some the iconos if and' only the time the problem, enough that they are not months!!!! I/you/they are firmly convinced that hung as esteban that always bring schemes and discussions deepened in polite and formal way are to a footstep from the victory with the hope that at least them these blessed 25000 dollars if they award them a regard to everybody