New gold detector!!!

[Locator]

Today searching i found a gold detector :

http://www.iconos-md.eu/

what you say about???

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi locator,

I say the same as for all treasure finder tools. Ask to see a demonstration of this detector finding long-time buried gold before giving money to buy it.

You can test this detector at a cemetery to see if you find signals where you expect gold jewelry is below the ground, then test in other locations where you expect no treasure buried to compare signals.

I have never seen any long range locator for sale that can find buried treasure with good success rates better than you will find by looking with no locator, and only reading history of where buried treasure is expected. For this reason I would look to see proof it works before paying money.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Locator]

Somebody found treasure!!!

J_P hi,

thank's about your reply,the things are as you say....you have right about the cemetery test!

I heard that somebody found a small treaaure with Iconos-md long range gold detector!!!!
So,i am searching about this machine...maybe there is something good behind this

I wish you a nice afternoon...Locator

[Max]

J_P hi,

thank's about your reply,the things are as you say....you have right about the cemetery test!

I heard that somebody found a small treaaure with Iconos-md long range gold detector!!!!
So,i am searching about this machine...maybe there is something good behind this

I wish you a nice afternoon...Locator

Treasure ? made of BRASS ?

[Locator]

Your opinion?

Max hello,

which is your opinion about the movement of ions in the ground???

Regards:

Locator

[J_Player]

Hi locator,

Researchers have proved that for some long time buried gold there are ions in the ground where gold is. The gold ions are very few, not possible to measure without taking the soil sample to a chemical laboratory for testing. Not all long time buried gold has ions in the soil. Fresh buried gold has none.

I have never seen any long range detector show where these ions are. I think best you need to see a demonstration of this loctor finding the buried gold before you pay money for it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

I have never seen any long range detector show where these ions are.

As you said, secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions.

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hi Locator

You're promoting this ELRL? Because you use as avatar... Propaganda?

[Locator]

Interesting!!!

Goodmorning to all of you!!!!

Dear Nihil Roma Maius,you made me to laugh No,no it's nice photo
for this i put this like my avatar...if you search i hadn't avatar...and for first time i put this...maybe the other month other

J_Player wrote:"The gold ions are very few..." , so J_P there are gold ions
even few...this is interesting...maybe we must to search this!!!Thank's about your advice,you have right

Esteban wrote: "secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions"...can you explain me Esteban which is the assosiated phenomenon??? you wrote something very interesting in which we can to rely and to search...but what is that between buried gold and long range gold detector???

I wish to all of you to have a nice day

Thank's about your replies...Locator

[Max]

Hi Locator,
for me "gold ionic detection" is pure speculation if we are talking about TH LRLs. Of course, like JP said, one can get samples of soil... then send to a big lab with lot of costly apparatus and then figure out if there is some (parts per billion usually) gold ions in the matrix.

The generation and moving of few gold ions in soil is possible due to chemicals directly (where matrix contains some particular compounds) or by primitive lifeforms like bacteria or fungi that could bind some few in exchange reactions then concentrate or disperse that few collected gold in the sorrounding soil.
Ion movements in the matrix, could then be caused by other forces at microscopic level without reling just only to bacteria or other lifeforms.

You have to keep in mind that chemical gold interactions are really few cause it's really few reactive, as you'll find looking at its chemistry.

Problem is that electronic LRLs for TH manifacturers claim often their products can detect that ions from remote, without samples etc... and that's impossible: there are no airborn gold ions in normal conditions and LRLs we se here in other threads haven't any "ionic-chamber" as claimed ...so are just fake products.

When someone said that there is a secondary effect related to ions generation or movements in soil, like Esteban said, without saying you which is that effect... or how a supposed working LRL could detect that hypothetical effect say nothing of scientific relevance/value.

Anyone can say have made a detector that uses e.g. kirlian-effect to discover gold bars from 1000Km away, but without giving proofs of that.
Just another fake claim, as all are (untill now) the claims about LRL.
Why wondering about ?

If you ask them about "the principle" or that "secondary effect" they'll always say that is a secret technology etc never giving you any good information.

Read my post about Quadro 250 in the Skeptic's Bar thread: it's a good example of how some manifactures tend to protect their interests (in trial) from sanctions, asserting there is some secret technology behind their products. Old game.

For that people you have to trust this or that LRL work without any scientific explaination, facts, proofs... that at the end, is the same as performing a faith act.

Of course you can, but then it's up to you if you waste your money that way.

Kind regards,
Max

the Quadro's strategy at trial:

...
On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343. In court it was pointed out that the Quadro Detector had been carefully examined and that no "inductors, conductors, or oscillators" were found, though Quadro advertised those as the working parts of its "secret technology." Quadro claimed that theirs were not "ordinary" inductors, conductors, or oscillators. Theirs are of an advanced sort not yet known to "regular science."

[J_Player]

Iconos is located in Cyprus. There is no FBI who will investigate or US federal court who will look to see if the Iconos will really find treasure. If you want to buy this locator, then it is your responsibility to determine if it will locate treasure before you buy it.

If you watch a demonstration of this detector and you see it find hidden treasure when you use it, then maybe this is a good locator for you to buy. If you only hear sounds when you move it, but you never see the treasure recovered with your own eyes, then maybe it is not finding treasure. Maybe it makes sounds when near electrical noise or other things that is not treasure.

There are gold ions in the ground in some locations where gold is located that almost cannot be measured. There are other metal ions in the ground hundreds of times more than gold that can be measured. Many electronic devices have been built that can make a signal when you are near buried metal different than gold. But I have never seen a long range locator demonstrated to locate only gold. I would not pay money for any locator until after I see it find only gold. I think you will never see any treasure except the money you give to pay for this locator. Maybe I believe this locator will work after the person selling the locator will show me finding only gold that I recover.

Another question: If this locator will find only long time buried gold, then why do they sell them for for the price of only 10 oz of gold? What is the reason the inventor does not use it to find large gold treasures that have been buried for thousands of years that is worth millions of dollars? Why does he waste his time to manufacture and sell the locator instead of find much bigger money from recovering treasure? Do you think maybe this locator is not able to locate gold?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi JP,
you're right that there in Cyprus there isn't any FBI office...

anyway the fact that e.g. in the USA FBI has taken Quadro officers etc and put them before a court of justice doesn't mean that there aren't scams or frauds also in the USA cause of manifacturers of fake LRL products, as you already know.

The fact that the bureau was interested in the "Quadro 250" case was due to the fact they were customers of that "manifacturer" too... as well as many institutions of the USA too, like local police offices... schools... and law enforcement agencies all around the US.

That's why the FBI sued Quadro !

There was a risk related to the use of such devices e.g. in sensitive places... think e.g. at the claim that this model 250 could locate bombs or firearms!

So "the system" protected itself from a potential danger caused by an hole in the security devices used to check people, or vehicles etc.

But how many fake LRLs are still today manifactured in the USA, or e.g. in China but for the US market ??? All for TH purposes. I think that is not enormous but a consistent number.

But nobody see nothing... everybody sleep about these facts, frauds... no real interest if some THunter lose his money that way.

So I think it's the same, buying it from Cyprus of e.g. from Boulder, Colorado !
You'll lose your money and that's all, with the total lack of interest of USA authorities.

Of course, you can sue the manifacturer or dealer... but it's worth ?
Best think before buying and asking for a demonstration, as you suggested, before open the wallet.

That's my point of view.

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

the Quadro's strategy at trial:
...
On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343. In court it was pointed out that the Quadro Detector had been carefully examined and that no "inductors, conductors, or oscillators" were found, though Quadro advertised those as the working parts of its "secret technology." Quadro claimed that theirs were not "ordinary" inductors, conductors, or oscillators. Theirs are of an advanced sort not yet known to "regular science."

Dell - take note.
Your "secret technology" could your downfall.

[Qiaozhi]

Esteban - What are you eluding to when you say "As you said, secondary or associated phenomenon is more important, not the ions."?

Please give us a clue.

[J_Player]

Of course, you can sue the manifacturer or dealer... but it's worth ?

Most LRL companies are separate from the person who collects the money from people buying the LRL. You look at the LRL company and you see LRL, inc. or LRL, Ltd. This means there is limited liability, and usually there is no money in the bank for the LRL company. All the money is paid to the person running the company. So when you sue the LRL company, you are not suing the person who took your money, you are suing only the company they created.

If you want to sue somebody, then sue the person who collects the money that you pay for the LRL. In the USA, you can file a fraud suit against anyone who collects your money for products that do not do what the advertising says they do. If you only sue the company, you usually find the company has no money to pay to you even if you prove the company is wrong. Then the company becomes bankrupt, and the person who has your money will start a new company to sell the same LRL to other people.

Best wishes,
J_P