Skeptic's Bar (No crappy, no party !)

[Max]

Hi all,
my idea is posting here some "useful" links and stuff related to nonsenses and pseudoscientific concepts and theories that are flying around the universe of LRL... and not only, and that are often used to legittimate fake claims about LRLs devices.

Skeptic's Bar motto would be "No crappy, no party !"

To join the club here you need just few requisites :
- be a proud owner of a pseudoscientific LRL
- or just be a skeptic about LRL concepts
- make yours the bar's motto

Anyone else please keep out.

I'm looking around to find the testimonial...

Hard work... but anyway.

This is just a test... we are working for you !



Kind regards and stay tuned,
Max

[Max]

The origins: dowsing and brass bars...

Hi,
this on wikipedia...

that seems going in the right direction about BRASS:

(find full article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing)
History of dowsing

Dowsing has existed in various forms for thousands of years.[3] The original may have been for divination purposes — to divine the will of the gods, to foretell the future and divine guilt in trials. Dowsing as practiced today probably originated in Germany during the 15th century, when it was used to find metals. The technique spread to England with German miners who came to England to work in the coal mines. During the Middle Ages dowsing was associated with the Devil. In 1659 dowsing was declared Satanic by the Jesuit Gaspar Schott.[citation needed] In 1701 the Inquisition stopped using the dowsing rod in trials. In the late 1960s during the Vietnam War, U.S. Marines may have used dowsing to attempt to locate weapons and tunnels.[4] An extensive book on the history of dowsing was published by Christopher Bird in 1979 under the title of The Divining Hand.

Possible explanations

Skeptics of dowsing and many of dowsing's supporters believe that dowsing apparatus have no special powers, but merely amplify small imperceptible movements of the hands arising from the expectations of the dowser.[5] This psychological phenomenon is termed the ideomotor effect. Some supporters agree with this explanation, but maintain that the dowser has a subliminal sensitivity to the environment, perhaps via electroception, magnetoception, or telluric currents.[5] These explanations give rise to the classification of dowsing as pseudoscience. Other dowsers[5] cannot explain the source of their powers apart from the paranormal, such as paranormal auras, or as a matter of faith.



Dowsing equipment

Many dowsers use simple brass rods bent in an "L" shape known as divining rods; others use wooden Y-rods and/or even bent wire coat hangers. According to some dowsers who use divining rods, brass allows the rod to attune to magnetic fields emanated by the target without the earth's EM field interfering, as would be the case with a metal such as steel.[citation needed] The end of the rod to be held by the dowser is often encased in a material that provides a constant electrical impedance, to prevent the dowser's own conductivity from interfering with the dowsing process.

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Damn Brass! Seems the only thing that work in dowsing activities.

So what's e.g. Mineoro's choice for the sensor "front antenna" ??? ASK YOURSELF.

But most important... who is the man with the wood in the hands ??????
And why he don't use brass instead ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Brass parts of the Mineoro's PDC-210

Just a case ???

I think not. Was intentional.

Why don't e.g. inox steel or copper ???

"According to Karl Spiesberger in his book "Reveal the Power of the Pendulum", Straniak believed that brass was the most suitable material for all kinds of dowsing and that he discovered that even fruits such as apples, oranges, pears and lemons demonstrate a polarity at each end."



In the book Reveal the Power of the Pendulum, Karl Spiesberger, a german occultist, explains the secrets the brass as sensitive metal to realize a pendulum for remote dowsing.

Mineoro's unit has two parts (the long rod and back plate) made of brass.

The back part of ahead "antenna" rod has the tipical shape of a dowsing pendulum, according Spiesberger, even if real function is still unknown there, and made of brass.

What a concidence !

Kind regards,
Max

PS:

(Ludwig Straniak (born 1879-1951), was a German mystisist, Germanic revivalist and most notably a Pendulum dowser. He was an Architect and Astrologer and was used by the German military in the Third Reich, not nessesarily willingly

Karl Spiesberger (Spießberger), also formerly known as Frater Eratus or Fra Eratus (his mystico-magical name whilst a member of and involvement with the Fraternitas Saturni ('Brotherhood of Saturn')), is a German mysticist, occultist and Germanic revivalist. He is most well known for his revivalism and usage of the Sidereal Pendulum for divination and dowsing and Armanen Runes.
)

[Max]

just another funny story of LRL

(read the full article here:

http://skepdic.com/quadro.html

)

"
Quadro QRS 250G "Detector"

"If it works, I think it could be a real good tool and deterrent in our school system," said one high-school principal. Gastonia Gazette, April 6, 1995

The Quadro QRS 250G (the Quadro Tracker) is a plastic box with an antenna which was sold by Quadro Corp of Harleyville, South Carolina, as a detector of just about anything: drugs, weapons, golf balls, even lost coon dogs. Wade Quattlebaum's invention sold for about $1,000 each. Some schools and government agencies spent as much as $8,000 for the device which turns out to be good only at detecting suckers who can be easily parted with other people's money (i.e., our taxpayer dollars). Sandia Labs of Albuquerque, New Mexico, took one apart and discovered that there is nothing inside. It probably costs about $2 to make. For their trouble, Sandia labs was threatened with a lawsuit by Quadro. Quadro did not threaten to sue the FBI, however, when its tests determined that the Quadro Tracker was incapable of detecting anything. According to the FBI, the device was little more than a piece of plastic. Quadro may have had nothing in their Tracker but they certainly had chutzpah in their marketing: the FBI was one of their target markets.
On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343. In court it was pointed out that the Quadro Detector had been carefully examined and that no "inductors, conductors, or oscillators" were found, though Quadro advertised those as the working parts of its "secret technology." Quadro claimed that theirs were not "ordinary" inductors, conductors, or oscillators. Theirs are of an advanced sort not yet known to "regular science."
The FBI sent out a bulletin to their branches warning that "A device marketed to law enforcement agencies nationwide, the Quadro Tracker...is a fraud. All agencies should immediately cease using the device...." Even so, several law enforcement officers, as well as several school principals, still swear by their QRS 250G Detectors.
How could such smart people be so easily deceived? Perhaps it was the technical sounding literature sent out by Quadro Corp. Quadro claimed that the device uses "tuned frequency chips" to hone in on its target:

The frequency chip is oscillated by static electricity produced by the body [of the user] inhaling and exhaling gases into and out of the lung cavity. This static electricity is propagated on the surface of the body to the tracker which utilizes the charge to oscillate the chip....[A]ll matter contains exact molecular frequencies. When a magnetic field is created by a contained electrically charged body moving through space at a perpendicular angle moving to its direction, and that field is brought into alignment with another exact field, resonating at the identical frequency modulation, then both objects attract, just as two bodies are attracted toward each other in a gravitational field.
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ETC ETC

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Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

and another brass dealer

http://www.psi-tronics.com/

[Max]

rolling in the grave

seems good as testimonial !

[Max]

Oh man

Hi all,
have you looked at rangertell... ehm... too StarTrek similarities...
even if this seems my VCR remote control on a funny pistol...

And this could find gold ???

Yes like with the same probability a comet strikes the same gold !

Kind regards,
Max

PS: crappy apart... note the coincidences again ! Too funny!

[Max]

The brass madness

From wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rods)

A divining rod (also known as dowsing rod) is an apparatus used in dowsing. There are many types of divining rods:

• two brass"L" shaped wire rods (commonly made of brazing or welding rod, but glass or plastic also work) that are to be held one in each hand. When something is found they cross over one another making an "X" over the found object. Brass is used to prevent interference due to the Earth's magnetic field.

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DAMN BRASS AGAIN ! So what's the story with brass ???

The interference due to the Earth's magnetic field ??? Eh ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

And of course also Dell uses brass...

What's really puzzling me is that almost every LRL manifacturer use it !

[Max]

Another... NO ELECTRONICS ! BUT STILL BRASS!

(http://www.get-intuit.com/pendulums_...l#brass%20rods)

The brass madness !

[Max]

and another

Tons of brass !

http://www.diviningmind.com/volvoline.html

[Max]

There are of copper too... but brass is always present !

http://www.adermark.com/store/products.php?session=&productid=637&priceid=1&pcategoryname=Browse+Products+Dowsing+Rods&psubcategoryid=174

[Max]

"
How To Find Water With Rods:
Take two brass rods 3 feet long. The diameter may be as small as a 12 gauge wire or about the same diameter wire as a stiff clothes hanger all the way up to a 1/4 inch diameter rod. Bend the last four inches on one side of each rod at a 90 degree angle so the rod forms an "L." In each hand, old the short leg of each rod, keeping this part of the rod as vertical as possible with the long part of the rod on the top of the hand. If you are doing this correctly the long end of the rod should be running parallel with flat ground.
Now, go outside. Using your mind to form a picture of what you are seeking, slowly walk back and forth over the known object and observe the rods crossing and uncrossing. Outside your house there should be several things you can concentrate on - your water line, sewer line, natural gas line or underground electrical line. When you feel comfortable with this, try going out into an open area where you don't know where things are and try finding veins of water. I can only expect you will be as amazed as I was with this most interesting wonder. "

(http://waltonfeed.com/old/dowse.html)

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[Max]

Another pearl...

Look here:

http://www.treasure-signs.com/lrl.html

Another ...endless series of nonsense all made of brass!

[Max]

Another funny story...
"
"I have a partner, we bought LRL 2 unit from Fitzgerald, the treasure
navigator which is his top of the line LRL product. but it doesn't work well, it ignores the real target and located some rings near and far from target, some sites it pinpoint signal lines which really doesn't have any treasure buried on that place. When we drill the place the Navigator point is nothing, its handheld locator the PPL is also same."

"I am using a single handh
eld lrl from Rangertell, its a frequency resonance machine, it used a gold sample everytime on locating site, i faced many challenge from other detectorist in my place they only using dowsing rods. we hide gold sample from a distance and using their dowsing rod, they couldnt able to locate. when they hide the gold sample my locator located it easily. but when i am locating the true and real target. my locator pick up some signals, the exact frequency that my target was supposed to be, 1 box gold, 1 box of silver bars and 1 box of jewels, with 1 meter apart buried in 1 hole. after the first spot was located i drill using pipes with water and signal gone, then i locate again then about 150 meters plus i located again a new signal , i repeat the drilling process and signal was gone again, then i stop locating on that place. this is the biggest problem now, i couldnt locate the real target."
"

from: http://www.lrlman.com/NewsLetter/vie...b9766f80f2c528



"..then i locate again then about 150 meters plus i located again a new signal , i repeat the drilling process and signal was gone again, then i stop locating on that place..."


" ...i couldnt locate the real target"

OH MAN ! I WOULDN'T NEVER SAID SUCH A THING!

Kind regards,
Max