pointronic 98

[Esteban]

If you read these reports, you will have good information so you can make intelligent conclusions instead of always wrong conclusion that you want people to believe.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, so he want to darken the understanding in matter he don't know.

[Qiaozhi]

The fastest natural gold ion production would be caused by burying gold at a shallow depth in soil high in organic matter. This would allow a rich environment for certain gold-eating microbes to produce the necessary soil chemistry, and would allow a short migration path to the surface for the gold ions. In this condition, it takes at least several months without artificial incubation and chemical additives to produce a weak, sub-parts per billion concentration of gold ions. Experiments conducted by researchers have proved this. But you are free to believe it is not true.

Best wishes,
J_P

Maybe the back yard at the Mineoro factory is such a place.
Or perhaps this is generally the case in Brazil?
My brief encounter with a Mineoro FG80 did not inspire me with any confidence that it was working as advertised. There was lots of random beeping with no discernible target. It is even unable to detect the gold foil that came with the device.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I know your intentions are just educational !

That you'll like see with your eyes the circuit and then evaluate if could work or not, maybe build it and test!

I think that people that post here stuff with low resolution or masking parts etc don't want really post anything good or giving any good info.

I think they need that stuff to make people think they know "secrets" about LRL working... that they don't want / can't make public domain.

Like in the poker play the bluffing could be productive if at the end people think that secrets exist and they know that secrets for real. They'll push this or that brand of LRL, without giving any proof or fact and can't be linked to the business cause they claim no-connection with those manifacturers.

I think that the "Pointronic 98" case here is just another example of this strategy. As you can see nobody answer with the full schematic... but just to make other claims and assumptions.

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max . You know me...... Esteban knows me. I know you, Now where is the problem ????
I do not want to become indirectly advertiser of no one product or what they is Pointronic98 or DCH 85 or Mineoro or any other. This is the reason where I do not participate enough in this forum (even if I like).
Recommending it examined enough what Esteban says because i am sure something serious is hidden behind his said.
Best Regards

[J_Player]

Hi Qiaozhi,

Maybe the back yard at the Mineoro factory is such a place.

I have never seen any evidence of Mineoro LRL finding treasure except in the back yard of their factory. Maybe they manufacture airborne gold ions and beam them to locations where gold is hidden in the ground. Maybe it is a better idea to take the Mineoro LRL to a different location away from the Mineoro factory for testing. We know there are no airborne gold ions, so according to the Mineoro advertising, the Pointronic as well as the FG and PDC locators would not have anything to locate. Maybe Damasio is mistaken about what his LRLs detect.

While I have read hundreds of reports by real researchers who claim they chemically measured traces of gold ions in the soil above buried gold, I have never seen any LRL demonstrated to locate these areas of ionizd soil or buried gold. The existence of ions are real science that researchers have demonstrated countless times, but no LRL manufacturer will demonstrate his equipment locating these ions. If these LRLs work so good to locate ion anomalies in the soil. I have to wonder why gold mines pay over $60,000 USD to have MMI chemical surveys done instead of buying a $5000 LRL.

Here is another test for LRLs to find soil that is known to have gold ions measured in the parts per billion:
Take the LRL to a gold mine that has recently had a MMI survey done to locate the gold ion anomalies at the ground surface. Make a survey to locate any gold ion anomalies with the LRL, then wait for the chemist's results of the MMI survey. You will then see if the LRL located any of the locations where the soil tests showed an anomaly. This is a sure-fire test, because you are not testing for target samples made up. It is real world conditions, with naturally formed gold ions at the surface. Can the technology of a brass welding rod compete with the chemist's laboratory?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Maybe Damasio is mistaken about what his LRLs detect.

I doubt this very much. As Carl has said previously, they are very good at wallet mining. So I don't think there is any mistake, and their devices are working as designed.

[Max]

Hi,
I'm tired of all this fake stuff.

No commercial LRL work. This is a fact.

Nobody can give any proof that they work. This is a fact.

No tons of gold ions exist in anywhere, just part per billion. This is a fact.

No just-electronic handheld device could detect that ions. This is a fact.

My above argumentation are all facts. Science.

Find a book and read if you don't belive my words.

For JP:
Have no time to read tons of documents about how microbes could give you the map of treasure... for me this is an impossible application to TH, like aura-kirlian is... or medium... or magic ravens.
This is my opinion.

For Esteban: well ignorance, you talk about "electric field" where there isn't but there are currents...
You mix electrostatic with currents... you say that a long-time buried something gold alter the Earth magnetic field in a detectable way... your assertions say everything about your understanding and knowledge of science/physics.

Is not me that have to say you don't know what you're talking about... but just you are enough.

Then also, you haven't answered my question on the zinc-carbon battery. Why ?


Best regards,
Max

[Max]

I doubt this very much. As Carl has said previously, they are very good at wallet mining. So I don't think there is any mistake, and their devices are working as designed.

Totally agree for the reasons of above.

[J_Player]

Hi Max,

Have no time to read tons of documents about how microbes could give you the map of treasure... for me this is an impossible application to TH, like aura-kirlian is... or medium... or magic ravens.

You are correct. Long range locating will remain impossible for you. The price of making a long range locating application is knowledge. If you have no time to learn the physics of buried metals, then you will never have sufficient knowledge to make any workable long range application.

I doubt anyone who has taken the trouble to learn the physics and spend the time experimenting would tell you what they learned, considering you don't have time or desire to learn, and prefer to form conclusions from ignorance.

But then, life is happy when your head is not full of facts to consider. Things are much simpler when the only agenda is to point an accusing finger at anyone who has ideas that treasure could be found electronically from a distance. Better not to worry about troublesome details like ions in the ground, and chemists locating buried gold.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,
You are correct. Long range locating will remain impossible for you. The price of making a long range locating application is knowledge. If you have no time to learn the physics of buried metals, then you will never have sufficient knowledge to make any workable long range application.

I doubt anyone who has taken the trouble to learn the physics and spend the time experimenting would tell you what they learned, considering you don't have time or desire to learn, and prefer to form conclusions from ignorance.

But then, life is happy when your head is not full of facts to consider. Things are much simpler when the only agenda is to point an accusing finger at anyone who has ideas that treasure could be found electronically from a distance. Better not to worry about troublesome details like ions in the ground, and chemists locating buried gold.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi JP,
don't take it personal... I just have few time !
I consider that way wrong... but these are my ideas.

I've already made lot of studies so I know what I'm talking about...
I don't confuse static fields with currents... like others do... no way.
No need of opening again physics books to know that things.

Till now nobody give any proof that LRL could be made by electronics.
I think that in future maybe it could be possible...
but you know... I'm not an MD/LRL manifacturer or something like that... have few time to read stuff, few time to play with circuits etc
, so I'm here just to exchange my point of view, thoughts.
That's all.

Maybe find a suitable way to LRL is your target, I don't know...
I'll belive you if you'll find a good way to do that, with proofs, scientific facts etc and application also... devices....
but for sure LRL design is not my goal.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Max

The problem is you're closed at all possibilities. But you need expending time and go in real field for to test. Go and see what the Nature can give you, not inexistent info in books of Physics about the matter. Hear real experiences of others like me. Maybe my theory of electric field around buried metals is wrong, but since some measurements directly on the buried metal site, I can conclude the nature of an electrical field, not only variation in soil's resistivity.

[Qiaozhi]

Max

The problem is you're closed at all possibilities. But you need expending time and go in real field for to test. Go and see what the Nature can give you, not inexistent info in books of Physics about the matter. Hear real experiences of others like me. Maybe my theory of electric field around buried metals is wrong, but since some measurements directly on the buried metal site, I can conclude the nature of an electrical field, not only variation in soil's resistivity.

Hi Esteban,

As you know I am a big skeptic where LRLs are concerned, particularly regarding this ionic detection stuff. Dowsing to me is also a waste of time and purely a combination of self-delusion and selective memory. This has been proven many times.

However, I'm quite interested in your detectors because you are following a practical route, and not trying to use this technology for wallet mining. Maybe you are onto something, maybe not, but I personally would like to know more. Is there a simple circuit (or experiment) you can share with us that shows detection of a coin (for example) at a distance beyond the reach of any standard metal detector? Maybe one of your first experiments would be a good starting point. Try to make me a believer...

[J_Player]

Hi esteban,

Is there a simple circuit (or experiment) you can share with us that shows detection of a coin...?

This sounds like a good idea. Perhaps an older design that will locate a non-ferrous coin from 10 feet would be a good to demonstrate that the principle can work. If you post a schematic and photos with instructions how to build and tune this limited range LRL, then people would be able to demonstrate for themselves if it finds the coin or not.

If people saw it find the coins from 10 feet distance, then they would all laugh at people who say it is impossible.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi esteban,
This sounds like a good idea. Perhaps an older design that will locate a non-ferrous coin from 10 feet would be a good to demonstrate that the principle can work. If you post a schematic and photos with instructions how to build and tune this limited range LRL, then people would be able to demonstrate for themselves if it finds the coin or not.

If people saw it find the coins from 10 feet distance, then they would all laugh at people who say it is impossible.

Best wishes,
J_P

One feet is enought to see that the system works. 10 feet for a coin is much better than the best MD so why to give us the schematic.
In any case it does not need we to press him.Esteban will decide alone when might present to us his some schematic from lrl.
Regards

[Max]

Hi,
and do you think for real Esteban or all the others will give here a schematic of one of his LRL ?

To show you that this stuff don't work.

Poker play. Let's see... if he'll post one of his schematics and it work I'll excuse publicly with him and accept that he's right and just-electronic-LRL is possible.

But Esteban MUST be one you claim functional one... and detect a coin from at least 2meters away on surface... not a zahori or other older circuits of dead manifacturers... no no.

I want to see one of your schematics not other things.

I'm awaiting for your answer.

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi Geo,

One feet is enought to see that the system works. 10 feet for a coin is much better than the best MD so why to give us the schematic.
In any case it does not need we to press him.Esteban will decide alone when might present to us his some schematic from lrl.
Regards

One feet is not LRL. One feet IB and TR is ordinary metal detector. We already know that IB detector can find coins from 1 feet because many IB detectors from long time ago can do this. Same is true for other TR detectors. But these designs cannot find a non ferrous coin from 10 feet. This is the reason why it is good to see construction details for a true long range detection that has not been shown before.

We do not look for secret technology to be used in patents for 100 meter locating coins. Only asking for instructions to build a limited 10 feet detector. Limited 10 feet LRL is not the same as highly developed LRL for 100 meter. !0 feet is old style LRL that will not give secrets to new 100 meter LRLs.

If we see example to build a small 10-foot distance working LRL, then we don't need to hear thousands of forum talk from people always say is not possible. When we have an example to build a small 10-foot distance LRL, it will make finally a peaceful and quiet forum with only technology, no more argument.

Best wishes,
J_P