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[J_Player]

Paint roller is not the same as the Dell directional rod. Paint roller uses plated steel, not brass. And no double compartment to hide bait samples. Also, cost is not 5300eur. Cost is $300 USD. When I see this price advertised on Dell's web page, it makes me think maybe it is a production model, not prototype.

Oh Dell, do you have a kit form available? I was thinking maybe if you could ship only the plastic parts and a printed pattern that shows how to bend the brass rod that I buy at Linde Welding Supply. Do you have a price available for this kind of kit?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Paint roller is not the same as the Dell directional rod. Paint roller uses plated steel, not brass. And no double compartment to hide bait samples. Also, cost is not 5300eur. Cost is $300 USD. When I see this price advertised on Dell's web page, it makes me think maybe it is a production model, not prototype.

Oh Dell, do you have a kit form available? I was thinking maybe if you could ship only the plastic parts and a printed pattern that shows how to bend the brass rod that I buy at Linde Welding Supply. Do you have a price available for this kind of kit?

Best wishes,
J_P

Oh yes... the BRASS is the secret... what a fool I'm !

[Dell Winders]

Cost is $300 USD. When I see this price advertised on Dell's web page, it makes me think maybe it is a production model, not prototype.

There you go with stupid assumptions again. You folks are so easily decieved by appearances. It is as I say it is, I do not lie.

The Universal Directional Locator pictured on my website, http://www.omnitron.net does NOT discriminate.

Every time you mock me you display your ignorance. Some here mock so much they appear to take great pride in their own stupidity.

RP, I'm surprised that you would jest about physics that work. You have been bringing out some good points which my own field experience can relate to. Too bad the others with their pretend scientific expertise dismiss the revelancy. Dell

[Max]

There you go with stupid assumptions again. You folks are so easily decieved by appearances. It is as I say it is, I do not lie.

The Universal Directional Locator pictured on my website, http://www.omnitron.net does NOT discriminate.

Every time you mock me you display your ignorance. Some here mock so much they appear to take great pride in their own stupidity.

RP, I'm surprised that you would jest about physics that work. You have been bringing out some good points which my own field experience can relate to. Too bad the others with their pretend scientific expertise dismiss the revelancy. Dell

Hi,
"The Universal Directional Locator pictured on my website, http://www.omnitron.net does NOT discriminate.
"

why I'm so sure of that ??????

Maybe cause my paint roller can't disc too ???

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Dell doesn't just defraud consumers, he is lying to all of us in the forum now...

Dell now claims his directional rod does not discriminate:

The Universal Directional Locator pictured on my website, http://www.omnitron.net does NOT discriminate.

But that's not what he said earlier this month:

...Discriminates to, and detects Gold only at ranges to 100 yards

Is Dell Winders lying to us? Which of your two statements is the lie Dell?
Does the Dell Directional Rod discriminate or not?

Why should anyone believe Dell Winders?
It seem Dell has been lying to us for a long time. After trying to lead us to believe a software programmer invented Vernell's marketing BS, he went on to try to convince us that his LRL never failed Randi's LRL test. But Dell didn't stop there, When he was caught in these lies, he started calling all his accusers stupid, deceitful, pretenders, etc. Now he is trying to lie about whether his directional rod can discriminate or not. Why should anyone believe Dell Winders?

History of lying and deceit:
Dell didn't begin his career of lying here in this forum. He has been defrauding consumers for years. THis began long ago when Dell sold the "Dell Omnitron system II VR 800" without telling his customers this was really a Vernell Electronics detector with a false label on it. Ever since Carl exposed this hunk of crap for what it is, Dell has been dis-avowing all knowledge of the Vernell electronics, even though it was Dell who sold them with his own label on them. See Carl's report here: http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...r800/index.dat
Dell continued to conceal the truth about this LRL he sold until he was finally forced to admit it was really a Vernell VR-800.

Continued fraudulent advertising:
Dell had no choice but to remove the Vernell products from his web page, but just look at the lies he publishes today... We still see fraudulent advertising where he claims his Pro-4 contains a microcontroller: "The frequencies are very stable computer programmed, generated and broadcast through a small electronic (state of the art) microcontroller circuit."
This is a lie! Anybody who reads this is being defrauded. There is no computer program or microcontroller in the Pro-4. The only electronics in the Pro-4 are a 555 timer IC and a switch that makes it oscillate at different frequencies. The 555 timer chip is not state of the art. It was developed a couple decades ago to perform electronic timing functions, not microcontroller functions. This 555 timer cannot accept any computer program because it is not programmable, and has no programmable memory or microconrtoller features whatsoever. Maybe Dell is willing to show us some evidence of a "computer program" or a "microcrontroller" inside the Pro-4. When Carl opened one of Dell's Pro-4 locators, he found a speaker coil that was ripped out of a speaker and glued inside an empty potentiometer casing -- hardly "state of the art".

Dell's new tricks:
We proved you are a liar Dell. The proof is right on your web page, and in your forum posts here. Where is your proof that we assumed anything? Is it possible we made no assumptions? Is it possible we were only quoting the lies that you printed on your web page and in our forum? Are you complaining about your own lies now, and trying to blame it on us?

Don't you care if there are laws against lying to people in order to make sales of fraudulent equipment, Dell Winders? Aren't you concerned the FTC might decide to press charges that would result in you spending time in a federal penetentiary for defrauding consumers Dell Winders?

Geotech forum members not so stupid:
We don't need any more manufacturer websites full of sneaky marketing gimmicks. Why not just tell the truth about what your LRLs actually do instead of shoveling all your BS? Unlike the suckers who read your web page, most of us in this forum understand the basics of electronics. You can fool your customers, but you can't fool us. And calling us names does not erase the lies you published in this forum or on your web page. They are still there for all to read.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Dell doesn't just defraud consumers, he is lying to all of us in the forum now...

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[Dell Winders]

Nope! you are totally wrong. They look alike but have different componnents. The Prototype I have been testing for over a year discriminates, and is not for sale.

The one on my web site that I sell DOES NOT discriminate. It is sold as an accessory for Frequency Discriminators of all manufacture.

Dell had no choice but to remove the Vernell products from his web page, but just look at the lies he publishes today... We still see fraudulent advertising where he claims his Pro-4 contains a microcontroller: "The frequencies are very stable computer programmed, generated and broadcast through a small electronic (state of the art) microcontroller circuit."
This is a lie! Anybody who reads this is being defrauded. There is no computer program or microcontroller in the Pro-4. The only electronics in the Pro-4 are a 555 timer IC and a switch that makes it oscillate at different frequencies. The 555 timer chip is not state of the art. It was developed a couple decades ago to perform electronic timing functions, not microcontroller functions. This 555 timer cannot accept any computer program because it is not programmable, and has no programmable memory or microconrtoller features whatsoever. Maybe Dell is willing to show us some evidence of a "computer program" or a "microcrontroller" inside the Pro-4. When Carl opened one of Dell's Pro-4 locators, he found a speaker coil that was ripped out of a speaker and glued inside an empty potentiometer casing -- hardly "state of the art".

YOU ARE A LIAR. I DEFY YOU TO SHOW A 555 TIMER INSIDE THE PRO-4, UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MICRO-CONTROLLER AND A 555 TIMER.

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. YOU NEED TO RETRACT YOUR LIES AND MAKE APOLOGIES. DELL

[Max]

Nope! you are totally wrong. They look alike but have different componnents. The Prototype I have been testing for over a year discriminates, and is not for sale.

The one on my web site that I sell DOES NOT discriminate. It is sold as an accessory for Frequency Discriminators of all manufacture.



YOU ARE A LIAR. I DEFY YOU TO SHOW A 555 TIMER INSIDE THE PRO-4, UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MICRO-CONTROLLER AND A 555 TIMER.

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. YOU NEED TO RETRACT YOUR LIES AND MAKE APOLOGIES. DELL

Hi Dell,
so you have a microcontroller inside that now ???

And then ? Any microcontroller can be programmed to do the same work of a 555 timer ic !

If that's the innovation, my friend, you just increase manifacturing cost of maybe 2$ ... giving no advantages in any LRL function !

BTW if the 555 one doesn't work... why the microcontroller one must be working now ?

Also Mineoro pdc-210 has a microcontroller inside... and I saw the code... nothing useful for LRL to work... the "loops" yes... and how an Atmel chip, and these are really state of the art, could be used to mask the crap that is all around... to make think some fool that there is an unconventional idea or principle behind LRLs.

But they are just CRAP. Brazilian made or US made is not important for me.
They are CRAP, that's the point.

Untill now no LRL gave proofs of finding anything in the searchfield... no manifacturer, or dealer, or even customer/user gave any scientific proof e.g. winning the challenge... demonstrate to the world that stuff is useful apart rising the bank account of some manifacturer or dealer.

Now you say here that your new "paint roller handle" is different... ok... doesn't disc... ok... whatever you want !

For me it doesn't work, like all the other big and small brothers, with 555 or MCU, with or without electronics at all.

They are just, in the best hypothesis, dowsing rods.

Any stupid piece of wood or brass or empty plastic have exactly the same probability of make you find a treasure than your so fancy gizmos.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

YOU NEED TO RETRACT YOUR LIES AND MAKE APOLOGIES.

What? Apologize for your lies? Get a clue, Dell... You been busted. We caught you in the act --- lying repeatedly.

Dell's Lies:
1. You are claiming you have a computer programmed microcontroller in your Pro-4 LRL. There is no microcrontroller or computer program in the Pro-4. Am I wrong? What microcontroller are you talking about? I can't find it... can you point it out to any of us? Is it hidden under the epoxy? Scroll down and look below... We found out what you really hid under the epoxy. You sleaze!

2. Posted by Dell Winders: "They look alike but have different componnents. The Prototype I have been testing for over a year discriminates, and is not for sale." Hahahahaaaaa.... prove it, Dell. How stupid do you think we are? Hahahahaaa. Maybe you could explain how your prototype is different, then maybe somebody might believe you... Hahahahaaa.

3. You lied to your customers for years about the fake labeling on the Vernell electronics. Do the elderly couples on a fixed pension know that you have a home on the lake that was paid for with the money they they sent you? Did they know the truth, or did they believe the Vernell garbage you sold them would help them find treasure? Do you have any remorse for what you did to them?

4. You lied about who invented Vernell's marketing BS. We caught you in that one too.

5. You lied about failing Randi's LRL test.

http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

Why should anyone believe you? All we hear is lies. Maybe you fooled some of your uneducated friends who didn't get past 6th grade, but your tricks don't work on us. Why not turn over a new leaf and answer the questions we have been asking:

A. Which of Carl's contest rules would prevent a LRL from locating the hidden 10 ounce gold bar?
B. Can you demonstrate the X-Scan actually doing what is described on your web page?
C. If you can prove Randi lied in a court of law, why don't you?
D. Why haven't you sued me like you talked about earlier? I am still waiting to meet you in court where the judge will order you to prove what you are claiming,

Up until now nobody called anyone a liar except you, Dell Winders. But now I am calling you the liar. The proof is in what you posted in our forum, and what you printed on your web page. If you think I am wrong, then sue me. Protect your good name like you said you could.

You don't fool us Dell Winders. Go try your BS on some ignorant fools who believe you.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

maybe he mean that thing...

[J_Player]

Please help

I need the hex code for this device found in a "state of the art" microcontroller circuit. If you have the hex for this device, and instructions for how to connect to this component, please post it here so I can complete the programming.

Does anyone know where the input and output pins are located on this microcontroller? HELP...!!

Thanks in advance,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Spot the difference

Can you spot the difference?

[Dell Winders]

J_ PLAYER, YOU ARE A BALD FACED LIAR. tHERE IS NO SUCH COMPONNENT IN THE PRO-4, AND CARL MORLAND, KNOWS IT.

"STUPID IS, AS STUPID DOES"

DELETE YOUR LIES ABOUT ME, AND APOLOGIZE.

DELL WINDERS

[Qiaozhi]

J_ PLAYER, YOU ARE A BALD FACED LIAR. tHERE IS NO SUCH COMPONNENT IN THE PRO-4, AND CARL MORLAND, KNOWS IT.

"STUPID IS, AS STUPID DOES"

DELETE YOUR LIES ABOUT ME, AND APOLOGIZE.

DELL WINDERS

Do you mean Carl Moreland (our illustrious webmaster) or is this someone else you're referring to?

[Max]

I need the hex code for this device found in a "state of the art" microcontroller circuit. If you have the hex for this device, and instructions for how to connect to this component, please post it here so I can complete the programming.

Does anyone know where the input and output pins are located on this microcontroller? HELP...!!

Thanks in advance,
J_P

I think is a speaker coil glued in a pot can.
Cannot see any I/O line...

I think that require lot of beer trying to program one of these...