Need LRL Schematic

[J_Player]

It has been 4 years since I posted asking for some help to find an LRL circuit that would fit inside the plastic stud-finder in my photos.
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...light=designer

I have received no schematics for circuits to put inside the plastic studfinder.
What should I think?
Are Geotech experimenters not capable of showing me a simple LRL circuit to fit inside my plastic enclosure that will find millions of dollars worth of treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

[iron1944]

Mr. J Player

LRL Witness

Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely







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[Zocky-Zocky]

Hi iron1944!
A very interesting scheme!
Please tell us if you can answer these two questions:
1st - How exactly is called a book in which this scheme was published, author of the book, year and place of publication, and
2nd - Can you put a full page 8 of Electrical parts list.
Thank you in advance!
Zocky-Zocky

[J_Player]

Mr. J Player
LRL Witness
Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely

Hi Iron,
Thank you for your circuit. Now I see a circuit that will fit inside my stud sensor. At least all except the handles and the antenna.

If you are looking for an analysis, It seems pretty simple.
Since R1 is 1 meg, it is looking at small signals.
The electronics are designed to detect slight variations in the resistance seen across the two handles.
But at these small signal levels, there may be other electronic events influencing what is sensed.

It appears that any sensitive amplifier matched to the handles could work as well, such as the modified zahori amplifiers, or the ivconic ion sensor amp.
But this one is configured as an oscillator which varies according to what is seen as a resistance at R1.
I am not sure exactly what advantage this has over a simple signal amplifier, but anyone who builds it will probably find out.

Looking closer at what the circuit is sensing, it is designed to sense the resistance that is seen through the hands of a person holding the two handles.
Electronically, anything placed inside the metal box would not be expected to influence the circuit.
I would think that if the antenna picked up a stray charge from the air, it could change the relative charge of the person holding the handles, depending on how well his shoes were insulated from the ground.
Maybe this charge from the air could have some influence on the circuit.
And if a charge imbalance developed between one hand and another while holding the handles, this could cause the oscillator to vary as well.
Also, moisture on the handles and the enclosure could have an influence if it provided a conductive path for current to leak from one handle to the other.

My guess is this circuit was originally designed to measure the resistance across a person's hands to show any resistance variations.
If this was the original intent of the circuit, it appears to have been modified to add an antenna and a metal box to hold a sample.

Does it find treasure?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
But testing it would tell.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

....Can you put a full page 8 of Electrical parts list.
Thank you in advance!
Zocky-Zocky

Page 8 parts are:
R1 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R2 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R3 3.3K 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R4 10K 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R5 10K Potentiometer
R6 100 ohm 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R7 100k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R8 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R9 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R10 50k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R11 390k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R12 50 ohm 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R13 10k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R14 50k Potentiometer
SW1 Double pole double throw slide switch

Best wishes,
J_P

[Zocky-Zocky]

J_Player!
Thank You very much for Page 8!
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[mesy64]

hi dear j-player
I want to make this circuit
Gold is a good place to find it?
To what depth and radius of the device can be used to find gold?

[J_Player]

hi dear j-player
I want to make this circuit
Gold is a good place to find it?
To what depth and radius of the device can be used to find gold?

I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold. Then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold. I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead.

For longer range without touching the antenna to the gold, I believe the maximum depth is about 2000 miles with radius of 4000 miles. I believe you will find gold with this device within the 4000 mile radius of any point located less than 2000 miles distance from where you are standing. Point the antenna any direction, then turn the control until it beeps. The beeping will indicate you located gold. Remember, you can also find this same gold detection without using any electronics. Simply point your finger any direction and you will find the same gold within 4000 mile radius from the spot you point to. You may point to any place, up to 2000 miles distance from where you are standing. You should find there is gold within a 4000 mile radius of that point about 99% of the time.

Best wishes,
J_P

[teknoloji]

Mr. J Player

LRL Witness

Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely







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I would like to try this LRL good, but the schema and documentation complete it and email e-mail address. im_pals@hotmail.com

Best wishes

[teknoloji]

for measurement of wet ground to search for used if no, unfortunately.

Good day

[Geo]

Hi Iron,
Thank you for your circuit. Now I see a circuit that will fit inside my stud sensor. At least all except the handles and the antenna.

If you are looking for an analysis, It seems pretty simple.
Since R1 is 1 meg, it is looking at small signals.
The electronics are designed to detect slight variations in the resistance seen across the two handles.
But at these small signal levels, there may be other electronic events influencing what is sensed.

It appears that any sensitive amplifier matched to the handles could work as well, such as the modified zahori amplifiers, or the ivconic ion sensor amp.
But this one is configured as an oscillator which varies according to what is seen as a resistance at R1.
I am not sure exactly what advantage this has over a simple signal amplifier, but anyone who builds it will probably find out.

Looking closer at what the circuit is sensing, it is designed to sense the resistance that is seen through the hands of a person holding the two handles.
Electronically, anything placed inside the metal box would not be expected to influence the circuit.
I would think that if the antenna picked up a stray charge from the air, it could change the relative charge of the person holding the handles, depending on how well his shoes were insulated from the ground.
Maybe this charge from the air could have some influence on the circuit.
And if a charge imbalance developed between one hand and another while holding the handles, this could cause the oscillator to vary as well.
Also, moisture on the handles and the enclosure could have an influence if it provided a conductive path for current to leak from one handle to the other.

My guess is this circuit was originally designed to measure the resistance across a person's hands to show any resistance variations.
If this was the original intent of the circuit, it appears to have been modified to add an antenna and a metal box to hold a sample.

Does it find treasure?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
But testing it would tell.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Before years i constructed two similar devices who had the same operating principle, the measurement of the hands resistance. Results was not good so i believe that this schematic don't work.

Regards

[iron1944]

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DEAR J PLYER.
LRL is how this circuit.
Yours sincerely.

[teknoloji]

According to the diagram in my opinion,
Sending a pulse to generate electricity with a static ne555 mechanical shape. Gold itself does not produce static energy is not suitable for this project I think he kind of circuits we have seen, but they did not know the project, and I see that we have to do research on.

m sorry to google translate.

thank you

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Before years i constructed two similar devices who had the same operating principle, the measurement of the hands resistance. Results was not good so i believe that this schematic don't work.

Regards

Hi Geo,

I believe you found this kind of circuit did not work for you.
But maybe you did not understand how to use it correctly.
I tried to explain the correct way to locate gold with this LRL in my post to mesy64, but maybe I did not explain very clearly.
So I try again:

I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold that you are hunting for.
When you touch a piece of gold to the antenna, then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold.
The sound you hear will be the sound of locating the gold you touched to the antenna.
I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead to locate copper or lead.
I am very certain you will hear the sound of locating when you touch the target metal to the antenna.

For long range detection, it does not work the same way.
For long range, you cannot pinpoint.
You must point the LRL in the direction you want to search, then turn the pot R5 and R14 until you hear the sound.
This sound tells you you have located gold in that direction.
The gold is located somewhere between where you are standing and 2000 miles distance from you.
It may be located above the surface of the ground, or buried up to 2000 miles deep.
But it is there for certain, because the LRL made the sound, and the meter moved.
Because you cannot pinpoint it any closer than 2000 miles, you must dig many holes until you find it.
You may also need to dig off to the sides up to 2000 miles as well because of the poor pinpointing ability.
When you finally recover the gold, you can touch it against the antenna to hear the sound and to prove the LRL detected the gold a second time.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

I believe you found this kind of circuit did not work for you.
But maybe you did not understand how to use it correctly.
I tried to explain the correct way to locate gold with this LRL in my post to mesy64, but maybe I did not explain very clearly.
So I try again:

I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold that you are hunting for.
When you touch a piece of gold to the antenna, then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold.
The sound you hear will be the sound of locating the gold you touched to the antenna.
I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead to locate copper or lead.
I am very certain you will hear the sound of locating when you touch the target metal to the antenna.

For long range detection, it does not work the same way.
For long range, you cannot pinpoint.
You must point the LRL in the direction you want to search, then turn the pot R5 and R14 until you hear the sound.
This sound tells you you have located gold in that direction.
The gold is located somewhere between where you are standing and 2000 miles distance from you.
It may be located above the surface of the ground, or buried up to 2000 miles deep.
But it is there for certain, because the LRL made the sound, and the meter moved.
Because you cannot pinpoint it any closer than 2000 miles, you must dig many holes until you find it.
You may also need to dig off to the sides up to 2000 miles as well because of the poor pinpointing ability.
When you finally recover the gold, you can touch it against the antenna to hear the sound and to prove the LRL detected the gold a second time.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi j_p, where you was???
At final you have wrong. If you touch it against you Reset the detector

Regards