Carl MFD article ,5KHZ frequency ?

[Max]

Max wrote:

Who has a test garden of >100 or >1000years old ? Who can build one with same conditions you say are needed ?

Answer is : NOBODY.


If you read well, justly Esteban as independent experimenter go in inland, old sites, because he or nobody has virgin conditions, no removed soils, etc. This is clear for he and for all.


Max wrote:

But which kind of oxidation has e.g. gold ??? Which kind of e.g. halo could give you a gold item ???

Be truth! He told about oxidized ferrous objects, you're obscured for to discredite him to the eyes of other persons who read this thread!

But, If you don't know, percentage of copper or brass in gold can creates the necessary halo, maybe not in ancient pure gold.

Hi,
I've mounted the zahori, tested in a good location and found nothing: no just one beep !

Then switched on my bandidoII-clone and found in same few meters of soil 3 ancient items pieces/scraps that showed halo !

All stuff at few cm depth, and zahori failed miserably respect to a conventional MD.

Which other test I need ?

About iron...
So LRLs find just iron nails now ? Where is gold ? What we are talking about ?
You go for nails ?

Ancient gold impurities is another goodnight story... cause yes there are impurities... small maybe 0.1 %, of course: it was not electrolitic that that time...
but I NEVER FOUND ANY GOLD, ANCIENT OR MODERN THAT SHOWED HALO.

PURE BS.

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Ancient gold impurities is another goodnight story... cause yes there are impurities... small maybe 0.1 %, of course: it was not electrolitic that that time...
but I NEVER FOUND ANY GOLD, ANCIENT OR MODERN THAT SHOWED HALO.

Impurities? Who told about impurities? Gold 12 (50% gold + 50% other metal), 14 (60-40), 16 (67-33), 18 (75-25), 20 (84-16), 22 (92%-8%) has "impurities" introduced by man and his called alloys. These "impurities" can be copper, silver or bronze. So, can creates halo. But isn't necessary the halo, since the conductivity in the soil is very different. Halo is not only regarding alloys or non-alloys, impurities or non-impurities. Also deppend of the mineralization and the pH of the soil.

Best regards, Mr.

Nihil Roma Maius

[Esteban]

Hi,
I've mounted the zahori, tested in a good location and found nothing: no just one beep !

The complicate version with excess of switches? No!!!

Best regards

Esteban

[roberts]

Deja vu ?!


I am back from Lybia!
Long time no see (name calling)!
I see, nothing changed considering LRL subjects? Promoters stayed promoters despite so many proofs proving whole nonsence of this concept.
Sceptics are in majority but still overloudmouthed by minority of beleivers?!
Good!
Give me some time to read all posts and i'll continue where stopped in the past.

BTW; i was told story about crackpot who used (and still using) telephone cord rolled on the top of his head and that's how he lrl'in arround!
So, Hung please tell me are you familliar with this method? What do you think about this? Any chance to work? In case it is workable than we can use it as cheaper method to detect.....let's say coin at 70m distance...Why not?
Please answer me! Many thanks in advance!

See you soon! Regards!

[roberts]

5 kHz

The reason i am askin is 5kHz frequency. Crackpot is claiming; he is receiving signals from burried items using that cord on 5kHz frequency, so....must be some connection here?

[J_Player]

Who has a test garden of >100 or >1000years old ? Who can build one with same conditions you say are needed ?

Answer is : NOBODY.

Maybe wrong... There are hundreds of battlefields in the USA from the Civil War between North and South. These battlefields are full of metal buttons from uniforms, belt buckles, musket balls, cannon balls, gun parts and everything from year 1861 to 1865 that soldiers left behind in their camps and battlefields. Every year there is a major hunting competition with metal detectors to see who finds the most long-time buried metal things left from this war.

Anyone with a working LRL can come to these battlefields and find long time buried metal items same as people find them with metal detectors. If the LRL cannot find the buried metal items, then a person with a metal detector can come after him to find it and prove the LRL did not find it. -- Excellent method to test for finding things with a metal detector or with a LRL.

Click here to see some things found in this North-South hunt: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=1&sa=N&tab=wi


Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Ancient gold impurities is another goodnight story... cause yes there are impurities... small maybe 0.1 %, of course: it was not electrolitic that that time...
but I NEVER FOUND ANY GOLD, ANCIENT OR MODERN THAT SHOWED HALO.

Impurities? Who told about impurities? Gold 12 (50% gold + 50% other metal), 14 (60-40), 16 (67-33), 18 (75-25), 20 (84-16), 22 (92%-8%) has "impurities" introduced by man and his called alloys. These "impurities" can be copper, silver or bronze. So, can creates halo. But isn't necessary the halo, since the conductivity in the soil is very different. Halo is not only regarding alloys or non-alloys, impurities or non-impurities. Also deppend of the mineralization and the pH of the soil.

Best regards, Mr.

Nihil Roma Maius

Hi,
Now must be modern and in alloy with copper or other metals now ?
Not long time buried gold ?

What else ?

What new next time ?

Your LRL need also the receipt for payment ?

Or maybe the map of treasure !?

So your LRL cannot find long time buried (ancient) gold ONLY items ?

What a pile of BS... everyday you write here: few days before must be long time buried gold.... then after I say that gold doesn't show "halo"... it must be an alloy 50/50 !

As I said before... even requirements needed are a full nonsense, like devices are.

Kind regards Mr.,
Max

[Max]

Maybe wrong... There are hundreds of battlefields in the USA from the Civil War between North and South. These battlefields are full of metal buttons from uniforms, belt buckles, musket balls, cannon balls, gun parts and everything from year 1861 to 1865 that soldiers left behind in their camps and battlefields. Every year there is a major hunting competition with metal detectors to see who finds the most long-time buried metal things left from this war.

Anyone with a working LRL can come to these battlefields and find long time buried metal items same as people find them with metal detectors. If the LRL cannot find the buried metal items, then a person with a metal detector can come after him to find it and prove the LRL did not find it. -- Excellent method to test for finding things with a metal detector or with a LRL.

Click here to see some things found in this North-South hunt: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=1&sa=N&tab=wi


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
yes , of course I know.... but you have to use a metal detector like I've made to say there are some ancient targets there... after dug them.

You can, of course, like I've done... but you cannot "prepare" a controlled e.g. test grid, like in the challenge, cause you have to rely on unknown (supposed) natural phenomenon that generate a kind of signal LRL detect from long time buried stuff.

I mean... that no one "natural" target is repeatable , any target could be claimed different from another: they'll use that argumentation... e.g. local composition of soil to justify that LRL doesn't work there.

At the end, without a repeatable targets test pattern you cannot made any scientific test on their working.

If you'll say to LRL manifacturers or e.g. write a report on a TH magazine that a specific LRL doesn't work... cause then in same place a MD find objects instead.... the manifacturer could always say that THERE WEREN'T RIGHT CONDITIONS OR THAT YOU HAVEN'T USED THEIR LRL AS REQUIRED, adding nonsense to nonsense.

They don't say e.g. "our LRL-pistol detects ALWAYS a gold coin at 1mm from sensor"... BUT "MUST BE LONG TIME BURIED... MUST BE PRESENT ANOTHER METAL , so ALLOY(read above)..." etc etc etc
If you haven't a predefined and strict set of rules / specs for making a "test garden" any test you'll perform could be contestated by them for indefinite time (forever) and with any nonsense argumentation possible.

They'll always say that you are wrong and that their stuff work, AT THEIR (NONSENSE) CONDITIONS.

Quadro did the same thing with customers for years... untill, endly, sued by FBI and people convicted !

That's the problem. They could say whatever they want... and you could lost in space cause of an infinite number of nonsenses requirements.

You can do test for yourself, like I have done, and take your conclusions, but using by your hands and seeing with your eyes... BUT CANNOT WRITE A REPORT FOR NAIVES ON E.G. A MAGAZINE CAUSE THEY WILL CONTESTATE FOREVER YOUR METHOD, YOUR TESTFIELD, EVEN THE USE YOU MADE OF THEIR LRL... !

You can do with metal detectors... simple ! But their nonsense requirements for LRLs are impossible to be matched cause they continuosly find new... so it's impossible, at the end, follow them all.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

You can argue all you want. but the fact is there exists a large collection of long time buried metal items at that location. Thus, it is not true " Who has a test garden of >100 or >1000years old ? Who can build one with same conditions you say are needed ?
Answer is : NOBODY.", because this existing collection of buried metal can be used as a test garden, just as I said.

Nest wishes,
J_P

[Max]

You can argue all you want. but the fact is there exists a large collection of long time buried metal items at that location. Thus, it is not true " Who has a test garden of >100 or >1000years old ? Who can build one with same conditions you say are needed ?
Answer is : NOBODY.", because this existing collection of buried metal can be used as a test garden, just as I said.

Nest wishes,
J_P

Hi,
I've tested one ancient location, with method you said.

Zahori doesn't work detecting ancient metals. Then after a conventional VLF MD detected them at few depth.

What I must conclude using that method ?

Zahori doesn't work detecting ancient buried metals !

That's it.

But then I see here other nonsense about filters and mods required!

As I've said... nonsense + other nonsense to explain why zahori doesn't detect metals, even ancient buried stuff.

BS.

For me is much more simple: doesn't work as claimed by LRL-dreamers.

But they'll never admit that... and will find some other nonsense story.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

You can argue all you want. but the fact is there exists a large collection of long time buried metal items at that location. Thus, it is not true " Who has a test garden of >100 or >1000years old ? Who can build one with same conditions you say are needed ?
Answer is : NOBODY.", because this existing collection of buried metal can be used as a test garden, just as I said.

Nest wishes,
J_P

Hi,
you misunderstud me...

BTW... have you a test garden of >100 or >1000 years old ?

Yes use the battlefields... or whatever place with buried ancient metal... OK.

Also I've done that way... but they are not "test gardens" for me.

YOU HAVE TO USE AN MD AND TO RECOVER STUFF (SO DISTURBING SOIL CONDITIONS) TO PROVE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SOUND ON MD AND NOT WITH LRL. YOU ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS STUFF, OR DEPTH, OR COMPOSITION ETC BEFORE DUG OBJECTS.

And these are test gardens for you ???

How can you repeat experiments if your target is different everytime ????
How you could compare results of e.g. different LRLs if your target is different everytime ????

Etc etc... not scientific approach for me.

For me is just a polemic argumentation... a test garden, is something you know where stuff is buried, at which depth and composition of the item too, where you can test detectors in a controlled, reliable, scientific way.

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Hi Max, or you don't understand or you pretend all here are ignorant for to understand what I said. I speak about different alloys.

As you wrote about pure gold can't creates halo, I wrote that the gold is mixed by man along the history with other metals, and this associated metals with the gold can creates the halo. The rest is a false and malicious interpretation from your part.

[Max]

Hi Max, or you don't understand or you pretend all here are ignorant for to understand what I said. I speak about different alloys.

As you wrote about pure gold can't creates halo, I wrote that the gold is mixed by man along the history with other metals, and this associated metals with the gold can creates the halo. The rest is a false and malicious interpretation from your part.

Hi Nihil,
it's very clear to me, you wrote:

"
Impurities? Who told about impurities? Gold 12 (50% gold + 50% other metal), 14 (60-40), 16 (67-33), 18 (75-25), 20 (84-16), 22 (92%-8%) has "impurities" introduced by man and his called alloys. These "impurities" can be copper, silver or bronze. So, can creates halo. But isn't necessary the halo, since the conductivity in the soil is very different. Halo is not only regarding alloys or non-alloys, impurities or non-impurities. Also deppend of the mineralization and the pH of the soil."

I've never seen any gold item, ancient or modern, show any halo.

That's the problem.

If you talk about ancient gold that could have, and actually HAS impurities, we talk about small fraction something like 0.1% of the mass of objects... or the like... cause otherwise you talk about of ancient alloys of gold and other things (e.g. silver) that is a completely different story.

Does ancient gold (with small fraction of impurities) show halo ?

I've never found this... so for me it doesn't.

I'd like to know if anyone here, apart LRL-folks, found this true using just metal detectors... if so, we can talk about this...

otherwise why bugging me with alloys... it's clear that if your object is e.g. 50% gold and 50% silver it actually isn't made of GOLD, you cannot consider it as a gold item !

It's an alloy: electrum ---> an example of what I say is electrum coming from Lydian coinage , that's about 55% gold and 45% silver and traces of copper and other heavy metals.

But it's not gold. Any archeo-student could tell you that... and make big laughs if you call it gold.

Other alloys of ancient gold show greater part of gold even 85%, but the presence of other metals is always 10-15% not 0.1 ! Still not gold.

Gold is gold, impurities are impurities, alloys are alloys.

All the rest are BS.

If you want find gold but your LRL detects alloys of it 50/50... it actually doesn't find GOLD ! You cannot call it GOLD.

It detects the other metal or at least... you wanna us belive that.

Kind regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

Jewellery. Because of the softness of pure (24k) gold, it is usually alloyed with base metals for use in jewellery, altering its hardness and ductility, melting point, color and other properties. Alloys with lower "k", typically 22k, 18k, 14k or 10k, contain higher percentages of copper, silver or other base metals in the alloy. Copper is the most commonly used base metal, yielding a redder metal.


If you want find gold but your LRL detects alloys of it 50/50... it actually doesn't find GOLD ! You cannot call it GOLD.


Max

No, the important is the presence of gold in the alloy since this point of view: When a LRL manufacturer claim that his product is capable to detect only gold, this means a jewell or object 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 karats, because the gold is in the metal.

I think this copper or silver mixed with the gold can creates the famous "halo". Or pure gold in presence of mineralized ferrous soil in combination with wet, pH, etc., maybe make the difference and can produces the "halo".

Regards

Nihil Roma Maius

[roberts]

Ehm...just checking something...
Good, i am back on track again!

Hung you disregarded my question? OK, no hard feeling!
Regards!