Iconos......... I have one

[roberts]

As you see; my "Yes" is much bigger than your "No". So i am right and you are not.

[Fred]

However,
This may be is how starts a new WW .

[Esteban]

As you see; my "Yes" is much bigger than your "No". So i am right and you are not.

If I said NO is because I know about it.

Good luck!

[detectoman]

un saludo a ti esteban, y aqui estoy contigo, amigo de aficion, sabes para mi esto es un hobby y distraccion, en algo que ocupar mi tiempo, pues es muy bonito salir al campo con los amigos, y oler la tierra escarbada, y mas que todo la curiosidad por algo que es antiguo y que ha estado enterrado y saber que cosa es
es un bonito hooby que nos contacta con aquellos que ya partieron hace tiempo
te mando un abrazo hermano de aficion
detectoman mexico

[Esteban]

Hola Detectoman

Gracias por las palabras. Te envío un gran abrazo también a ti.

Te aclaro que no me inmiscuiré en largas, tediosas y desgastantes discusiones aquí en el foro. Estoy dispuesto a compartir solamente mis experiencias.


Thank you for the words. I send a great embrace also to you.

I clarify that I will not interfere in long and tedious discussions here in the forum. I am ready to share only my experiences.

[roberts]

Un saludao a ti Detectoman,un saludo a ti Esteban!
Esteban i never saw Iconos schematic or inside it...So i am trying to make a joke on it, just because it appeared here as subject. Without any documents as backup. Just plain claims and advertisements, again and again. Same old story. Same as it was with so many LRL devices so far.It doesnt matter which name you will give to LRL device, in what kind of enclosure you will pack it, what label you will put on it. Doesnt matter at all, it is same old story,repeating again and again.
Neither one LRL device appeared here with some checkable proofs about its accuracy!? Neither one! How this possible? On the other side you can find 30-40 workable, testable schematics of VLF or PI, here...Anybody interested can nake it and check claims about those. What about LRL? Man have to waste several thousands of dollars,euros or what, to check it and get the truth.
You claims means nothing here, like so many times before. Give some facts, documents, schematics....C'mon Esteban! Give something real here!
Same old story! Again and again....

[detectoman]

ya sabes que te aprecio mucho hermano esteban, y admiro tu gran interes por desarrollar estos aparatos, como los de largo alcance, tu tienes gran paciencia par hacer muchas cosas y muchas muy complicadas, y has investigado muchos tipos de detectores desde hace mucho tiempo, en unos dias de estos te escribo un correo, ya que estaba operando con una computadora muy lenta pero ya compre esta otra y tengo conexion rapida, y ahora si podra atender a tantos amigos que tengo'
bueno te mando un abrazo y por favor no nos abandones nunca' en este grupo ya que tus colaboraciones son siempre muy importantes

afectuosamente detecotman

[Tim Williams]

Geo, don't let these guys get you upset. They will always be someone waiting for something free. I am glad for you that you found gold with it. But if it also starts finding iron or other things don't be upset either.

When someone designs something in one place and then when used around the world or 1000 miles away and it does not work can happen. From my testing the same problems I have using my rod and a generator designed for dowsing, will have some of the same problems. Maybe not all, but it will have some. I have worked out many in my unit and but I use a rod.

[Max]

Geo, don't let these guys get you upset. They will always be someone waiting for something free. I am glad for you that you found gold with it. But if it also starts finding iron or other things don't be upset either.

When someone designs something in one place and then when used around the world or 1000 miles away and it does not work can happen. From my testing the same problems I have using my rod and a generator designed for dowsing, will have some of the same problems. Maybe not all, but it will have some. I have worked out many in my unit and but I use a rod.

Hi,

"When someone designs something in one place and then when used around the world or 1000 miles away and it does not work can happen."

What ???

Oh yeah... could happen that you buy an MD made in europe and then if you are in western australia... you could have some troubles using it on soil... but at least it always works on the air... but, anyway, you spend money and you get a working device.

Problem is that LRLs that you talk about may cost 5 or 10 times more than an e.g. standard VLF-MD then you say that somewhere they couldn't work ?

At which conditions could I assert that the LRL doesn't work ?

So... suppose I spend 10,000 eur for buy an LRL... then go on search field and device doesn't work... (apart that I'll be a little upset cause of that but) how could I get my money back ? Or how could I get my LRL repaired/tuned for free at my soil conditions ? How could I don't waste my 10,000 expense ?

And also how could I recognize if LRL is working bad due to soil... or that simply it doesn't work in any soil or air ? Can I make an air-test ? Would it detect a coin at 1mm distance from sensor ? What about that ?

Do you know any reliable LRL air-test to show us ?

If I got a not-working MD under warranty I can ask for free servicing by manifacturer all around the world... and big brands will service that but what about LRL ? Do you know of any LRL manifacturer that repair LRLs ? Or tune them for specific conditions ? Or they simply got money and then run away ?

If my LRL doesn't work as advertised have I any possibility to see my money back ? Or the only way is that I'll RESELL IT TO OTHER "NAIVES" , UHM ?

Best regards,
Max

[Tim Williams]

That is one reason I stopped selling LRL's. Because of all the problems other people had with other LRL's! The AM radio did it for me. I use my own equipment. I service all my equipment. It does pay to research before you buy any piece of equipment. Like does he have a return policy? Contacts to people that use his equipment.

There are always good and bad points to any equipment. It pays to understand how to use it also. I always gave a number of emails to users and let the person talk and find out from them the good and bad.

If any manufacture does not give you at lease 4 users to talk to do not buy from him. If he does not have a return policy, do not buy from him. If he does not offer FREE training, do not buy from him.

[Max]

That is one reason I stopped selling LRL's. Because of all the problems other people had with other LRL's! The AM radio did it for me. I use my own equipment. I service all my equipment. It does pay to research before you buy any piece of equipment. Like does he have a return policy? Contacts to people that use his equipment.

There are always good and bad points to any equipment. It pays to understand how to use it also. I always gave a number of emails to users and let the person talk and find out from them the good and bad.

If any manufacture does not give you at lease 4 users to talk to do not buy from him. If he does not have a return policy, do not buy from him. If he does not offer FREE training, do not buy from him.

Hi Tim,
yes I understand your points. I totally agree: no warranty, no way !

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

ya sabes que te aprecio mucho hermano esteban, y admiro tu gran interes por desarrollar estos aparatos, como los de largo alcance, tu tienes gran paciencia par hacer muchas cosas y muchas muy complicadas, y has investigado muchos tipos de detectores desde hace mucho tiempo, en unos dias de estos te escribo un correo, ya que estaba operando con una computadora muy lenta pero ya compre esta otra y tengo conexion rapida, y ahora si podra atender a tantos amigos que tengo'
bueno te mando un abrazo y por favor no nos abandones nunca' en este grupo ya que tus colaboraciones son siempre muy importantes

afectuosamente detecotman

Hola Detectoman

Gracias. Espero tu correo.

Un abrazo,

Esteban

[Jim]

At one place i found a small piece of gold (thin plate 2cm x 1 cm) at 30cm depth. With this small target it was problem to center the detector. I used a detector (whites XLT) to center and to find the object.
As i saw it, it can detect old gold (not fresh) very easy.

I am very curious on how you dated the thin plate of gold. Was it a dated gold coin?

How can one tell the different between “old gold” and “fresh gold” when it is in a thin plate format?

[michael]

..... I always gave a number of emails to users and let the person talk and find out from them the good and bad.

Hi Tim, Nice to see such behavior of you as a seller.

..... If any manufacture does not give you at lease 4 users to talk to do not buy from him. If he does not have a return policy, do not buy from him. If he does not offer FREE training, do not buy from him.

This is exact what mineoro sellers did with me frequently.
no answer to my e-mails, no desire to introduce me other users e-mail. maybe their alibi is: "this is our policy"

[Max]

I am very curious on how you dated the thin plate of gold. Was it a dated gold coin?

How can one tell the different between “old gold” and “fresh gold” when it is in a thin plate format?

Hi Jim,
interesting question. there are no oxides etc... that could give an idea there on recovered gold item age.

Expecially if it's a flat gold plate.

But you must consider also that Geo talked about ancient places... you know... he's from Greece and I think he understand very well if something is from one age or another... cause of other things there that could give particual indication of age of soil layer where he was prospecting with the LRL.

That doesn't automatically mean that target is really from that particular age... but just indications on its supposed age. If there are signs on object or anything that could mark it better to a particular age that will be even more useful.

Best regards,
Max