Attention Examiner users

[J_Player]

Say it ain't so...

...it is because he cannot do so, and the only reason for that would be because the whole thing is a fabrication.

You mean Hung made up all this Ranger Tell BS just to make it look like Myron Evans is right and Carl is wrong?
You mean Hung gave fake information?
You mean Hung lied to us all?
Say it ain't so!

http://h1.ripway.com/Forum%5FWeasel/forum/whosdum.html

[Fred]

cool abstract.

[hung]

Listen, I don't have time for all this crap from these sick minds. It's only a bit surprising (or not?) to see how Carl the moderator allows some attitudes here. But I think this won't change.

In respect to the Examiner users, who probably chose not to open the box and risk damaging the unit, I will keep updating possibly regularly.
I chose not to post about the probes (altough it's ubelievable nobody could still not figured it out) for the reason to avoid Carl twist this info before more confirmations.
Yes, if Palamedes had one unit in hand, I believe he would have done it already.

Right now I have my confirmation, my engineer's and yesterday I received an email by RT with a new one which I will try to replicate to make sure it's accurate before I divulge.
It supposedly shows that increasing the frequency in the calculator, the voltages (in mv range) also raise. They place the probes in a different spot.
Although I'm positive about the variances I measured, I want to check RT's procedure first.

Either way, it's not surprising at all and everything is within the parameters expected for the concept of such device. Only it would be a confirmation the calculator is indeed outputting frequencies, if the RT procedure can be replicated. Now, if this can make the device locate things all the time, is another story and research.

I hope the examiner users comprehend this as I, like them,also got interested in the unit's working principle and there's no going back anymore.
As I don't have a sensitive meter at hand right now (not the time) I hope to use my engineer's as soon as possible.
Regards.

PS. I'll ignore every post who I think it's not constructive regarding this subject not to mention offensive ones. So it's up to you waste your time or not.

[J_Player]

I received an email by RT with a new one which I will try to replicate to make sure it's accurate before I divulge.

What? Is hung trying desperately to find a method to show a voltage variance? He enlisted the help of Ranger Tell to help him figure out how to measure a voltage variance? Why can't he just tell us where he connected his meter probes to observe the voltage he already measured?
Because it never happened?

http://h1.ripway.com/Forum%5FWeasel/forum/Mineoro_Trash2.html

[Qiaozhi]

Listen, I don't have time for all this crap from these sick minds. It's only a bit surprising (or not?) to see how Carl the moderator allows some attitudes here. But I think this won't change.

In respect to the Examiner users, who probably chose not to open the box and risk damaging the unit, I will keep updating possibly regularly.
I chose not to post about the probes (altough it's ubelievable nobody could still not figured it out) for the reason to avoid Carl twist this info before more confirmations.
Yes, if Palamedes had one unit in hand, I believe he would have done it already.

Right now I have my confirmation, my engineer's and yesterday I received an email by RT with a new one which I will try to replicate to make sure it's accurate before I divulge.
It supposedly shows that increasing the frequency in the calculator, the voltages (in mv range) also raise. They place the probes in a different spot.
Although I'm positive about the variances I measured, I want to check RT's procedure first.

Either way, it's not surprising at all and everything is within the parameters expected for the concept of such device. Only it would be a confirmation the calculator is indeed outputting frequencies, if the RT procedure can be replicated. Now, if this can make the device locate things all the time, is another story and research.

I hope the examiner users comprehend this as I, like them,also got interested in the unit's working principle and there's no going back anymore.
As I don't have a sensitive meter at hand right now (not the time) I hope to use my engineer's as soon as possible.
Regards.

PS. I'll ignore every post who I think it's not constructive regarding this subject not to mention offensive ones. So it's up to you waste your time or not.

Honestly - doesn't this just make you wonder?

Imagine this scenario - if you had an LRL that actually worked (yes, I know this is difficult to believe, but please suspend belief for one moment) would you not be out there in the real world scooping up treasures galore, and becoming filthy rich in the process? Or - would you be wasting your valuable time on a skeptics' forum, bashing your head against the wall, trying to make the local propellor-heads understand your pseudoscientifc explanation?

OK - back to reality - the answer is obviously "no", you wouldn't be wasting any time here. So the question is - does Hung have a hidden agenda?

[Fred]

I dont know if i am just in a good mood or what, but you just made me laugh for the whole reading of your post.Really.

PS. I'll ignore every post who I think it's not constructive regarding this subject not to mention offensive ones.

How convenient! But i am afraid that comercially it is a bad option -again-.

" Dear Sir, i am very interested in a good detector that can detect gold very far away, what is the best one, i can spend a substancial amount of money if you gurantee i´ll find gold..."
I think this is what you consider a positively constructive post.

Fred

[hung]

would you not be out there in the real world scooping up treasures galore, and becoming filthy rich in the process? Or - would you be wasting your valuable time on a skeptics' forum, bashing your head against the wall, trying to make the local propellor-heads understand your pseudoscientifc explanation?

Humm...I'll make an exception to answer that.
Right now I'm building coordinate vectors in google earth.
What for? You'll see here real soon.

Being an armchair poor devil like you should bring a lot of regret and envy, shouldn't it?

[Qiaozhi]

Humm...I'll make an exception to answer that.
Right now I'm building coordinate vectors in google earth.
What for? You'll see here real soon.

Being an armchair poor devil like you should bring a lot of regret and envy, shouldn't it?

It's just like fishing .... I knew you couldn't resist!

PS. I'll ignore every post who I think it's not constructive regarding this subject not to mention offensive ones. So it's up to you waste your time or not.

[J_Player]

would you be wasting your valuable time on a skeptics' forum, bashing your head against the wall, trying to make the local propellor-heads understand your pseudoscientifc explanation?

OK - back to reality - the answer is obviously "no", you wouldn't be wasting any time here. So the question is - does Hung have a hidden agenda?

Perhaps the answer lies in the field of psychology. We have all seen evidence of hung's love for wierd theories and people who support them (Tom Bearden, Bruce Cathie, John Hutchinson, Myron Evans, and others). But why try to promote these weird theorists? Their theories cannot be proven with any experimental results except anecdotal evidence that cannot be repeated. So why try to promote them?

Perhaps hung needs to promote them because they help him to feel important like a guru who accomplished the impossible. Perhaps this is his way of drawing attention to himself as the source of great knowledge of little known secrets of the universe. The added bonus to promoting these crackpots is they have already discovered the best methods to ward off disbelievers who question their methods and the reality of what they claim is true. These charlatains have mastered the techniques of evading the proof of their claims, and diverting attention away from embarrassing realities that show the details of their deception.

So how does psychology fit into this? The desire to gain undeserved importance is basically a dishonest goal. Anyone who puts a large amount of energy into creating a facade to make himself appear very accomplished in things he is not competent in is a fraud. Could it be that hung feels inferior and left out when he compares his abilities to the average engineer in this forum? Is this his way to bolster the perception that others will have of him? By telling fantastic stories, does he hope that readers will cling to his words and be amazed at his incredible accomplishments?

Perhaps some of the less technically inclined readers may believe his stories. He tells truly alluring tales of his adventures. But how much BS can a forum of educated technicians endure? Look at the long list of questions he never answered from the time he joined this forum. When it comes time to face the music, he quickly changes the subject and introduces new diatribe to divert attention away from the fact that he cannot back up his previous claims.

It appears the reason he keeps coming back for more abuse is because he doesn't mind the criticism as long as there are a few followers who consider him a great guru of unknown science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_liar

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Alright.
I'll be away in the field for the next few days.
Luckily early next week, I plan to post a complete and detailed report of the measurements performed by 4 or 5 different sources plus an experiment done which confirms the examiner working principle.

Let's see if the pets will still be monking around.
Till then.

[Qiaozhi]

It appears the reason he keeps coming back for more abuse is because he doesn't mind the criticism as long as there are a few followers who consider him a great guru of unknown science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_liar

Interesting ... mythomania could quite possibly be a correct diagnosis.
It seems to fit really well:

"... pathological liars tend to become hostile or try to disregard the fact they lied; ..."

"... but for a compulsive liar telling lies is routine - it becomes a habit and a way of life."

However, Hung does appear to actually belief this nonsense. In that case my diagnosis is "self-deception": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deception
which in itself incorporates an element of mythomania.

[Clondike Clad]

Listen, I don't have time for all this crap from these sick minds. It's only a bit surprising (or not?) to see how Carl the moderator allows some attitudes here. But I think this won't change.

In respect to the Examiner users, who probably chose not to open the box and risk damaging the unit, I will keep updating possibly regularly.
I chose not to post about the probes (altough it's ubelievable nobody could still not figured it out) for the reason to avoid Carl twist this info before more confirmations.
Yes, if Palamedes had one unit in hand, I believe he would have done it already.

Right now I have my confirmation, my engineer's and yesterday I received an email by RT with a new one which I will try to replicate to make sure it's accurate before I divulge.
It supposedly shows that increasing the frequency in the calculator, the voltages (in mv range) also raise. They place the probes in a different spot.
Although I'm positive about the variances I measured, I want to check RT's procedure first.

Either way, it's not surprising at all and everything is within the parameters expected for the concept of such device. Only it would be a confirmation the calculator is indeed outputting frequencies, if the RT procedure can be replicated. Now, if this can make the device locate things all the time, is another story and research.

I hope the examiner users comprehend this as I, like them,also got interested in the unit's working principle and there's no going back anymore.
As I don't have a sensitive meter at hand right now (not the time) I hope to use my engineer's as soon as possible.
Regards.

PS. I'll ignore every post who I think it's not constructive regarding this subject not to mention offensive ones. So it's up to you waste your time or not.

Hunf please post the votage points for us.
Don't let them stop you from giving info to us.

[J_Player]

Hunf please post the votage points for us.
Don't let them stop you from giving info to us.

Do you really believe hung ever measured any voltage variances in a Ranger Tell? Doesn't it look like hung is using every excuse possible to avoid telling us where to hook up the probes to see a voltage reading as he described? Isn't this whole story about leaving for the field another stalling technique to evade proving these measurements were made?

[Carl-NC]

Carl, please don't post false statements about me.

Where did I do that?

On one hand you say I didn't give you any reasons why I think your Examiner report is flawed,...

Yup... you said my report had errors, but you didn't point out any. Do you disagree?

...then you say the reason is I don't know physics.

Yup again... your comments clearly showed you don't understand basic induction principles. Do you disagree?

- Carl

[Fred]

Hunf please post the votage points for us.
Don't let them stop you from giving info to us.

Hung already told us that it will take several days and engineers ,along with as "sensitive meter" just to tell us where are the test points in a 3-components circuit.

BTW due to the "complexity" of the circuit i´m sure that if you get close to neon lights, computer, power lines or broadcast station,you will get a (uV)reading anywhere in the circuit.
Fred