Examiner Results: AC and DC variations

[hung]

By just handling the multimeter probe in your hand, you will get readings like those , even more mv.The simple fact that touching only the keys makes the reading drop is a proof that you are just measuring static buildup ,AC coupled and the like.
I have just achieved excellent results with my tape dispenser.When i touch the tape i get readings.I choosed the tape dispenser because it have a handle too...
Fred.

And you consider yourself an electronic engineer?...
I wouldn't let you fix my TV set. Sorry.

[Fred]

And you consider yourself an electronic engineer?...

that´s what i am.

I wouldn't let you fix my TV set. Sorry.

Why? If you cannot do it , someone else must.

[Qiaozhi]

I choosed the tape dispenser because it have a handle too...
Fred.

And it has more uses than an RT Examiner ... ... ignoring the calculator, of course.

[joecoin]

Too bad you cannot afford some test leads with alligator clips. (But your wife has very pretty hands).

[J_Player]

Smoke and mirrors?

Interesting photos. From what I can see, it appears hung went to the Ranger Tell website and hooked up his meter according to their instructions and took photos. Then he posted a heaping load of diatribe designed to prove that the Ranger Tell finds treasure and that Myron Evan's ECE theory could explain it. The details he gives are concerned with a lot of voltage variations and spurious voltages noted when touching keypads without pressing them, as well as differences between meters taking the measurements. I do not see any photos of his measurements that he claims he made inside the circuit board area, at "the diode which is connected to the pot". In fact there is no place the diode is connected to a pot inside the Ranger Tell, as Carl's internal photos show. The diode is connected between an enameled coil and a variable capacitor. (Did hung really open up a Ranger Tell)?

Hung follows with his statement that he confirmed that "no perceivable differences existed" when following the Ranger Tell method of measuring between the antenna and handle instead of from the antenna to the diode inside. How convenient! Now we no longer need to perform the alleged testing that hung claims he did initially. We can switch to the Ranger Tell approved method to test this device!
Errr... wait a minute... does this smell kinda like a bait and switch trick? Why use the Ranger Tell method when hung says he got his readings from inside where the diode is? Is it possible the readings are not the same? Is it possible hung never measured anything inside the Ranger Tell?

My initial claim was that voltage variances were found inside the examiner and could be measured.

It sure is hard to believe hung ever did any electronic testing before the weekend, considering he was not able to tell us where to connect the meter until after discovering the Ranger Tell website instructions. But putting aside the facts of whether hung ever made any previous tests or has a team capable of doing so, let's take a look at what the Ranger Tell website tells us to test:

According to Ranger Tell's pictures, a digital volt meter should be connected from the tip of the antenna to the brass rod in the base of the handle. The meter leads are left dangling in loops beneath the pistol while it is moved in an arc or pointed at objects. Of course, they say you should enter in the "gold frequency' on the calculator. This means you enter the number they specify for gold before looking to see voltage differences. From what I see in their pictures, there are several ways false signals could cause a voltage variation at the meter that have nothing to do with a target. In order to eliminate the possible voltage errors, here are some precautions that you could take to save yourself a lot of time contending with intermittent false readings:

1. Take the pistol and digital voltmeter to a large field that has no nearby power lines or other interference.
2. Make sure the field is free of targets that the Ranger Tell could find.
3. set up the Ranger Tell and meter on a cardboard box or wooden bench without metal so it is pointing into the field with no targets around.
4. Connect the meter and enter your favorite numbers on the calculator. Observe the meter while standing away from it and not touching the apparatus. When you see a constant reading, then get a friend to place a target in front of the meter using the method in step 5.
5. Tie a gold ring to a fishing line and have a friend toss it out in front of where the antenna is pointing (15 feet distance from the antenna or more). make sure the person holding the line is far away from the Ranger Tell. Drag the ring back and forth to the side of where the antenna is pointing. If you have a fishing rod, try casting it out in the path where the Ranger Tell is pointing. Try moving the ring around like a fly fisherman would so it moves around a lot in front of where the Ranger tell is pointing. Watch for changes in the volt meter while the target moves around. Be careful that neither you or your friend move around much in the vicinity of the Ranger Tell apparatus when the target is being tested.
6. Try the same fishing line experiment with several other target materials like brass, steel, coins, silver, etc.
7. Take note of any voltage variations while you move these targets in front of the Ranger Tell.
8. If you are able to see a voltage that consistently follows the movement of a gold ring at more than 15 feet distance, immediately apply to win Carl's $25,000 prize and prove everyone wrong who says the Ranger Tell can't locate gold at more than 15 feet distance. You can use the meter connected to the Ranger Tell to indicate when you have correctly located Carl's hidden gold bar, and then cruise home with your $25,000!

Why take these precautions when testing? Because there are many reasons you will get a voltage reading that have nothing to do with the presence of treasure if you follow the instructions given by Ranger Tell. Any real EE can tell you about it. The method I suggested above removes most of the ways you will get voltage readings not related to a treasure in the sights of a Ranger Tell.

But what about hung's claim that he took readings inside the Ranger Tell? Wouldn't he know there is no pot connected to the diode if he opened the enclosure? And why did we need to wait till he located the Ranger Tell website before he would tell us where we can connect a meter to see a reading? Was he lying to us? Perhaps some of the Ranger Tell owners will open their Ranger Tell and compare what they read between the diode and antenna to the readings when using the website method. Then we will see real factual results of the earlier alleged test hung claims he made.

It appears no real EE paid much attention to this test report based on the feedback. Is this another one of hung's attempts to drag electronic testing methods into the dark ages? Or is this just another of hung's operations to try to promote the crackpot theories of Myron Evans? Why are we hearing about ECE theory? Hasn't Myron Evans made a fool of himself by using erroneous math with fatal errors to prove his crackpot theories? Would any real physicist believe his BS when it doesn't work in practice and the math doesn't add up either?

The bad part of this exercise is we had to listen to more rubbish theories and speculations of someone who does not understand electronics or basic physics. The good part is hung finally experimented with a meter in his hands. Do you think he maybe missed some things that he would have known better if he had an understanding of electronics?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Hey JP, please, avoid your long mumble jumble. You can't say three meaningful words, imagine a long soup of them like the one above...
I could not pass the 4th word honestly.

Why just not admiting you and your other friends were put into pieces?

PS:Where's all the monking around now?


Merry Xmas.

[Qiaozhi]

From what I see in their pictures, there are several ways false signals could cause a voltage variation at the meter that have nothing to do with a target. In order to eliminate the possible voltage errors, here are some precautions that you could take to save yourself a lot of time contending with intermittent false readings:

Exactly. There is no mystery here, except in Hung's overactive imagination. If you take any digital multimeter, and set it to to a low mV range, there will be some low level intermittent readings if the leads are left dangling. After a short time the meter will settle at 0V, but even bringing your hands close to the meter leads will give a small reading. You will note that in all the images posted by Hung, that someone is physically making contact with the meter leads. The mysterious meter readings are nothing more than measurement error.

[Max]

Hi,
yes all right about errors in measures... but I was thinking at implications of having that calculator on the RT.... I mean it needs some current... lcd need the electric field to be generated... solar cells gives power according to light intensity etc etc all this stuff vary with time and other conditions (like showing 1 or more digit on the lcd screen that it's not only electric field problem there but also the logic part of circuit that drive it, so currents flowing in the chip etc etc).

Do you understand what I mean !? I'm not saying that he measured just errors by hands and the like BUT ALSO electric variations due to other components of RT (mainly calculator on top of it).

You see clear that when digits number increase you have rapid increase in readings in (supposed) same other conditions.

That's what I say: errors are due mainly to calculator cause RT has probably an hi-impedance amplifier connected to the antenna ... all the rest follow that thing ---> antenna and input path get an increase of signal due to interference of calculator circuitry.

So, I belive his readings are all true but there's a clear way of explain that without the device has to detect anything at all.

Maybe I've expressed bad my thought ?

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

You can't say three meaningful words, imagine a long soup of them like the one above...

Really? so you can't understand the meaning of using electronic methods instead of bogus experimenting? Let me translate it into a short statement that maybe you can understand more easily: It looks like you lied to us again about measuring voltage inside the Ranger Tell. You don't have a clue of how to use a voltmeter to make millivolt readings, as you followed the misinformation shown on the Ranger Tell page rather than showing us any readings you want us to believe you made inside the enclosure.



Max is correct. The calculator does produce small voltages.

I mean it needs some current... lcd need the electric field to be generated...

You are correct. The calculator does use current to light up the digits in the LCD display. This is easy to measure on a calculator. Simply wind a small coil around a steel core using the same wire as you use to make a detector search coil. You can make this coil the size of a coin wrapped around a steel bolt, or up to the size of the calculator. Connect the ends to an oscilloscope and scan the calculator for magnetic components of a field. You will see the voltages inside the calculator, you will see some in the audio range that you could actually hear if you connected the coil ends to an audio amplifier. And you would also hear sounds change if you start to press buttons. You will find you can also measure some of the internal calculator operations with other odd tools instead of a coil. Maybe connecting the voltmeter to an old circuit board with some components on it placed near the calculator will give a reading, or a coat hanger wire with a transistor soldered to the end.

Inside the calculator
Whether the power comes from a battery or solar panel, a small amount is used to power each segment of the display as well as the processor and controllers in the main processor chip. While the statement that the calculator frequency varies is false, there are several fixed frequencies inside a calculator beginning with the main clock, and then lower frequencies used to drive the display and scan the keypad to detect buttons being pressed, and a few other functions. These frequencies don't change. If a number is entered into the calculator, the only change involves shift registers storing the numbers entered, and the display driver electronics sending impulses to the display segments. The frequency of the display driver does not change. Only the power sent to segments changes as different segments are switched on at this constant frequency.

Reading the rise and fall of these small switching circuits by using a coil outside the calculator is enhanced by a grid of keypad conductors which carry the low-frequency keypad scan strobe to a planar array that almost has the form of a kind of antenna printed on the circuit board. In addition, the voltage impulses sent to the LCD will show a pulse train with varying lengths and durations within the same frequency, in order to select which segments to light up. This pulse train is carried through a short ribbon cable usually. While these are the two most likely places to see a low frequency component perhaps in the audio range, there are other higher frequency components that happen only momentarily while the calculator is processing a user input or making a calculation. In the quiescent state, the only active circuits are the clock refreshing the memory, the keypad strobe, and the display driver. None of these frequencies change. But they can be measured on an oscilloscope or heard a sensitive audio amp.

How to promote bad science
Now if you wanted to use the voltage transients that are generated by a calculator to collect lots of money, or to prove some stupid concept of pseudoscience, first you would need to find a source of people who have little knowledge of the workings in a calculator, and don't have much experience using test equipment. Then direct them to use a millivolt meter in a way prone to electrical interference and use sloppy testing methods that are guaranteed to produce errors. This will make a good blend between the errors and calculator measurements. By using this technique, you may be able to convince a non-technical person that the calculator is finding gold, or that the readings prove you can extract free energy from a vacum. You might even convince him to send you a large sum of money to buy your calculator apparatus.

Think I am wrong? Think the Ranger Tell really does signal the presence of gold in the distance? Then try the experiment I described in the post above to remove the fake readings, and see for yourself.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

That's what I say: errors are due mainly to calculator cause RT has probably an hi-impedance amplifier connected to the antenna ... all the rest follow that thing ---> antenna and input path get an increase of signal due to interference of calculator circuitry.

Hi Max,

Have you looked at Carl's report on the RT Examiner? There is no hi-impedance amplifier inside the plastic case. There is just a jumbled collection of bits and pieces soldered together and hot glued in place.
If you place the leads of a digital multimeter close to a calculator, there is no pickup whatsoever, as long as you move away from these two items, and allow the readings to stabilize (to zero).

Well done J_P on an excellent description of what's really going on here.

There is definitely some electromagnetic interference (EMI) coming from the calculator, and this can indeed be detected by a small coil connected to an amplifier. However, this is not the case with the Examiner, which has been sadly totally misunderstood by Hung, unless (of course) you confer with the idea that the standard Maxwell-Heaviside model is erroneous because it omits the spin resonance.

[Max]

Hi Max,

Have you looked at Carl's report on the RT Examiner? There is no hi-impedance amplifier inside the plastic case. There is just a jumbled collection of bits and pieces soldered together and hot glued in place.
If you place the leads of a digital multimeter close to a calculator, there is no pickup whatsoever, as long as you move away from these two items, and allow the readings to stabilize (to zero).

Well done J_P on an excellent description of what's really going on here.

There is definitely some electromagnetic interference (EMI) coming from the calculator, and this can indeed be detected by a small coil connected to an amplifier. However, this is not the case with the Examiner, which has been sadly totally misunderstood by Hung, unless (of course) you confer with the idea that the standard Maxwell-Heaviside model is erroneous because it omits the spin resonance.

Hi,
no I haven't : actually I don't know what's inside the RT device... just saw the antenna on front side and was thinking there's some hi-impedance amplifier like in zahori circuits.

Now I see it isn't that way.

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Hi,
no I haven't : actually I don't know what's inside the RT device... just saw the antenna on front side and was thinking there's some hi-impedance amplifier like in zahori circuits.

Now I see it isn't that way.

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max,

I thought perhaps you hadn't seen it.

In case anyone else needs to examine the insides of an Examiner (pun intended), here it is -> http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...iner/index.dat

[Fred]

Proof about LRL´s

Hi,
Here i send a proof that my LRL is working better than Hung´s:
Left, Hung wife´s hands.
Right, one of my numerous wifes hand.
Who needs better proof ?
Fred.

[VikingAlex827]

Hi,
Here i send a proof that my LRL is working better than Hung´s:
Left, Hung wife´s hands.
Right, one of my numerous wifes hand.
Who needs better proof ?
Fred.

I stand convinced. -

[Clondike Clad]

Not much on this site.

My initial claim was that voltage variances were found inside the examiner and could be measured.
Bellow I offer pictures and narrations of such which corroborates that. Actually this always was normal and expectable in my view, but what was not normal and expected was the very unusual results when performing tests regarding DC variances which were not predicted at all and it was a big surprise. This will be covered in the last part of this report.

All tests here can be easily replicated by any examiner user, provided he owns a multimeter (4 digit display better) and some spare time. Variances are minimum although clearly demonstrated.
For this, I suggest an automatic multimeter. It is more sensitive and with a longer sustained delay
making the readings more precise.
In fact, for the DC test this is the only model which will provide accurate results.

Multimeter used was an ICEL MD 5011 fully automatic model.

With that said let’s go into it.

All I can see is the bull is still dropping the $hi+.
When is this crap going to END