Post proof of working LRL

[Esteban]

Is not my problem if somedy has not photos of his finding or searchs in field, etc. Also this reveals that this kind of person (we know who!!!) isn't metal detectorist or detector constructor or radio constructor or coil winder... etc. This "special" person is very sad for not had this opportunity, this experience. I'm more sad because I causes envy in this guy... Pobrecito!!!

Is the pics tortures somebody (why not!!!), why suffer watching??? Masochism!!!

[Esteban]

We can only say Esteban wants us to believe from photos, same as children with photos of Christmas presents want us to believe Santa travels in a flying sled.
Best wishes,
J_P

If the pistol detector is flying, maybe you are able for to compare with this. Pistol is based on real electronics, on real principles. I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.

Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!

[J_Player]

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!

In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

I'm referring to share ideas with all here. I'm not a child who believe in Santa and his parafernalia.

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...

A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

No. Not the same.

[J_Player]

No. Not the same.

Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!

[J_Player]

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!

Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures from over 30 years.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching from more than 30 years.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands same as Esteban stories.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus from over 80 years.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents under the Christmas tree from hundreds of years.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents being recovered under the Christmas tree.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[J_Player]

only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others.

I like these photos. I don't say they are not satisfying. I only say they do not make scientific proof that LRL can find treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

[nelson]

Hola Esteban, gusto en saludarte despues de algun tiempo.
Te escribo en español, debido a que me es mas fácil intentar explicar mi opinion relacionada con los detectores de largo alcance.
Sinceramente si creo en que deben funcionar, pero reconozco que hay momentos en que dudo de ello. Sin embargo, siempre tengo presente cosas como por ejemplo, que la energía sea cual sea, debe trasladarse de alguna manera. Yo con mas de 20 años de radioaficionado, se positivamente que una señal de radio la podemos hacer rebotar en un cerro y asi logra una mejor comunicación que si esta se intentara en forma directa (señal VHF).
Para que esto ocurra, indudablemente necesitamos por ejemplo que el cerro que hara rebotar mi señal, tenga algún lado de material que permita el rebote y esto ocurre generalmente gracias a la mineralización de los cerros, es decir los metales que este contenga. Por lo tanto, si creo es posible por medio de un aparato X, obtener algún tipo de rebote o algo asi y sumado a la velociad de propagación, dependiendo del tipo de metal, se lograría la clasificación del mismo. Ahora, cuando muchos dicen que estos aparatos no funcionan, puede deberse a varios factores que afectan la propagación de ondas, ejemplo, el fenomeno denominado inversión térmica, que en las comunicaciones radiales nos afecta considerablemente.
En cuanto a la radioestesia o dowsing, se positivamente de muchisimas personas aquí en Chile, que logran detectar agua en el campo y solo con una varilla de madera.
En estos días que estaré de vacaciones en casa, pretendo armar uno de estos aparatos y me gustaría me indiques alguno de los tantos modelos con los que podría empezar, para probar en este tema. He visto el zahori, desechado por algunos, pero creo sinceramente, que les falto experimentar mas y en condiciones optimas.
A la espera de tus comentarios y apoyo , me depido y ruego me disculpe el foro por escribir en español, pero lalmentablemente mi nivel de ingles no es tan alto como para traducir todo lo escrito.
Ahora si no te molesta, podría continuar mis comentarios en español, pero a través de correo electrónico.
Gracias
Atte.
Nelson Lepe T.

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[Max]

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

Hi,
can you post the original tube based schematic of year 1959 ? Or the schematic must remain secret stuff ?

Maybe that could give some better understanding of these things... if you can post it.

Kind regards,
Max