Who thinks LRL don't work

[Clondike Clad]

Post your input on why LRL will not work.
I could not get anyone to work for me,
AM radio,oscillator with antenna on them and
mystical science.
MY conclusion is pure bull$hit and snakeoil.

[Esteban]

Post your input on why LRL will not work.
I could not get anyone to work for me,
AM radio,oscillator with antenna on them and
mystical science.
MY conclusion is pure bull$hit and snakeoil.

I'm working in it and later post a treasure detector via magnetic absorption, so if you start with your negativity, I'll stop.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

I'm working in it and later post a treasure detector via magnetic absorption

Hi Esteban,
What distance does the magnetic absorption detector find treasure on an average day?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

I planning a treasure detector, this is, for big items. Absorptive can catch 20 m or a little more, but depth is other theme. I think treasure at more 4 m depth can't be detectable at this distance (30 m), but in vecinity yes.

I don't know why these non ferrous items buried for long time has this characteristic.

[lonelyWOLF]

don't stop Esteban...go.

[J_Player]

I planning a treasure detector, this is, for big items. Absorptive can catch 20 m or a little more, but depth is other theme. I think treasure at more 4 m depth can't be detectable at this distance (30 m), but in vecinity yes.

Hi Esteban,
It sounds like this will be a true LRL that we can build and test with our own hands. I will be waiting to see the schematic and photos of it finding treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WesP]

And waiting!!!!

Just like the Energizer Bunny you'll keep on waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.......................I've been reading this board for a couple of years and read many tales of how well these LRL work yet not one of the advocates has shown any proof other then some usually poor photos. Estaban how about you find a real treasure ie. a big pile of gold then get the media to take photos and video of you with it. Or better still buy a private jet ( G550's are really nice and only about 40 Million $ us) and fly up to collect Carl's $25,000 prize money. When you can do either of them maybe you will have a few more belivers.

[Esteban]

Just like the Energizer Bunny you'll keep on waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.......................I've been reading this board for a couple of years and read many tales of how well these LRL work yet not one of the advocates has shown any proof other then some usually poor photos. Estaban how about you find a real treasure ie. a big pile of gold then get the media to take photos and video of you with it. Or better still buy a private jet ( G550's are really nice and only about 40 Million $ us) and fly up to collect Carl's $25,000 prize money. When you can do either of them maybe you will have a few more belivers.

Don't have the luck for to find big treasure, as the most of us in forum.

The poor photos I have is the only, the major part old photos made with amateur cameras, no National Geographic quality, sorry!

Regards

Esteban

[ivconic]

"...I've been reading this board for a couple of years and read many tales of how well these LRL work yet not one of the advocates has shown any proof other then some usually poor photos...."

Sorry to say this; but my experiences are very same here.

"Best" i achieved so far is locating remote AC fields with Zahori, and nothing else.
Locating "inactive" metals on longer ranges - never.

Somehow i have feelings that must be something much different in nature preferences between south America and east Europe, where i live.Since nobody here cant locate coin at more than 30-40cm in the ground or in the air - no significant differences.
Locating/detecting single 2cm coin burried at 50cm in the ground....would be improbable success here, among my kind of people.
So we are mostly trying to construct such device, to achieve at least those fantastic 50cm in ground for single coin...
About other things....i simply can't tell.

[J_Player]

Somehow i have feelings that must be something much different in nature preferences between south America and east Europe, where i live.Since nobody here cant locate coin at more than 30-40cm in the ground or in the air - no significant differences.

Hi Ivconic,
The solution is obvious. The long range locators made in South America were constructed by South American builders who calibrated them to the local South American ground. When you build a LRL in Eastern Europe, then you must re-calibrate it to work in Eastern European ground.

What is the difference?
1. We all know the earth's magnetic field is different when moving from South America to Eastern Europe. The declination of the field is easily found in a declination table to be different in these two locations. Also the vertical component of the earth's magnetic field is also found to be different, as South America (Paraguay and southern Brazil) is closer to the earth's pole than Eastern Europe.

2. The earth's gravitational field is different when moving from South America to Eastern Europe. The small variations in the strength of the earth's gravitational field is easily found in gravitational field strength map to be different in these two locations.

3. The average daytime electrostatic field in the air is different when moving from South America to Eastern Europe. The differences are dictated by the climate, moisture, air quality, and a number of other geophysical properties that change when sampling the electric field in the air from different locations on the earth's surface. You will also notice the hours of the day when this field is at optimum levels for LRL detection is not the same in South America as for Eastern Europe.

Now, let me try to guess your reasoning why you might think these three geophysical properties are unrelated to the ability to detect long range buried treasure:
"Best" i achieved so far is locating remote AC fields with Zahori, and nothing else".
I am not surprised you only located AC fields with the Zahori. The Zahori is an electric charge detector that is also capable of locating AC fields when tuned to detect portions of alternating electric transmission.

The LRL that Esteban described works by detection non-ferrous metals from long distance using the principle of magnetic absorption, not by detecting electric charges in the air. So Esteban is talking about a completely different design than the Zahori. I would suspect Esteban's design utilizes coils to detect variations in magnetic absorption rather than an electric charge-detecting antenna as the Zahori uses. So maybe we cannot expect a Zahori to be comparable to the detector that Esteban plans to post the schematic for.

So the final question: Will Esteban's magnetic absorption LRL work in Eastern Europe?
The answer depends on several things:
1. Does Esteban's magnetic absorption detector find metals long distance in South America? If no, then it probably won't detect long distance in Eastern Europe either.
2. Does Esteban's magnetic absorption detector rely on detecting existing weak magnetic fields, or does it broadcast its own magnetic field and detect the absorption into long-time buried metals? If it has it's own transmitter, then the chances are good it will work in Eastern Europe as well as South America. But if it is a passive detector, relying on existing ambient magnetic fields, then you can be certain it will not work the same in Eastern Europe as in South America. It may not work in Eastern Europe at all, or it may work better than in South America, depending on how well it is tuned for Eastern European ambient magnetic fields that can be sensed by the detector.
3. Are there existing magnetic fields or electric fields that will interfere with the operation of the Esteban LRL detector in Eastern Europe? Remember, Esteban's detector will be calibrated in Paraguay where there is most likely less man-made interference than most of Europe. So this could be a big problem to prevent this detector from working in some locations far away from Paraguay.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

So the final question: Will Esteban's magnetic absorption LRL work in Eastern Europe?
The answer depends on several things:
1. Does Esteban's magnetic absorption detector find metals long distance in South America? If no, then it probably won't detect long distance in Eastern Europe either.
2. Does Esteban's magnetic absorption detector rely on detecting existing weak magnetic fields, or does it broadcast its own magnetic field and detect the absorption into long-time buried metals? If it has it's own transmitter, then the chances are good it will work in Eastern Europe as well as South America. But if it is a passive detector, relying on existing ambient magnetic fields, then you can be certain it will not work the same in Eastern Europe as in South America. It may not work in Eastern Europe at all, or it may work better than in South America, depending on how well it is tuned for Eastern European ambient magnetic fields that can be sensed by the detector.
3. Are there existing magnetic fields or electric fields that will interfere with the operation of the Esteban LRL detector in Eastern Europe? Remember, Esteban's detector will be calibrated in Paraguay where there is most likely less man-made interference than most of Europe. So this could be a big problem to prevent this detector from working in some locations away from Paraguay.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi!

Now you´re talking!
I think those are the 1M$ questions ...I had the same ones when Esteban talked about absorbtion...
regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

I think those are the 1M$ questions ...

Well, it is only a 25,000$ question if you take the LRL and visit Carl-NC for his prize, but it certainly is a 1M$ question if you try to win the Randi prize.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Well, it is only a 25,000$ question if you take the LRL and visit Carl-NC for his prize, but it certainly is a 1M$ question if you try to win the Randi prize.

Best wishes,
J_P

Nah, doesn´t work with Carl´s challenge:he has put his gold in a isolated box...we have to tell him to put it in contact with earth, and take an appointment in 10 years
Regards,

Fred.

[ivconic]

Main reason i dont think that is possible is due very strong ground preferences comparing to very weak (for example) coin preferences, if any (arround coin).
We do know (and can measure) several ground preferences. We dont know and certainly cant measure neither one coin preference (burried coin).
We also do know that coin will produce alternating, short lasting and very weak em fileld IF EXPOSED to much stronger EM field came from search coil.
That is all we know...and all we can proove.
So.... it is true what you explained reffering soil preferences in south America and east Europe...but we dont have benefits from knowing these things, here. Those fact will not help us here at all.
Point is to locate burried coin at more than ... 40cm BURRIED in the ground.
If Esteban's device do the same thing as conventional detector...than..what is the point of making it? We already do have excellent detectors.
I might be shortminded and stupid but i dont see any possible chance to achieve more than it was already achieved with conventional methods utilising EM field as main preference.
I am posting here pretty simplified draw to explain more why this is not possible.
Coin does not have neither one preference which we can monitor over soil surface. Soil surfaces preferences will always blank and cancel everything what possibly coming from burried coin.
Ask anybody of e.e.'s here on this forum.
Ask Carl Moreland, ask Quiaozhi, ask Sean Goddard...ask anybody..

[Dell Winders]

Nah, doesn´t work with Carl´s challenge:he has put his gold in a isolated box...we have to tell him to put it in contact with earth, and take an appointment in 10 years
Regards,

Fred.

THE TRUTH IS,

In 1987 Randi, conducted eight DB tests on the Omnitron MFD, in front of witnesses, and camera crew on a public beach in Florida. Six (6) of the DB tests were reported at the end of the day to be accurate (75%). Randi, stated to me in the presence of witness that more tests would have to be conducted to reach any conclusions.

In later years Randi, lied about me, and the tests to the public claiming that no test ever took place, and accused me of being a liar, fraud and scammer.

When confronted with Video proof of the test Randi changed his lie to, the Omnitron did not work. Carl, supported Randi's lies with his own by claiming that the DB tests never took place, that the results were based on visible tests where I could see the Gold, or Silver.

Carl, was not there, has no way of knowing, and has lied about the Omnitron DB test results in support of Randi's, efforts to defame my name and lifelong reputation of honesty.

Two liars with a self promotion Challenge gimmick, do not make a right. Dell