Who thinks LRL don't work

[Esteban]

Main reason i dont think that is possible is due very strong ground preferences comparing to very weak (for example) coin preferences, if any (arround coin).
We do know (and can measure) several ground preferences. We dont know and certainly cant measure neither one coin preference (burried coin).
We also do know that coin will produce alternating, short lasting and very weak em fileld IF EXPOSED to much stronger EM field came from search coil.
That is all we know...and all we can proove.
So.... it is true what you explained reffering soil preferences in south America and east Europe...but we dont have benefits from knowing these things, here. Those fact will not help us here at all.
Point is to locate burried coin at more than ... 40cm BURRIED in the ground.
If Esteban's device do the same thing as conventional detector...than..what is the point of making it? We already do have excellent detectors.
I might be shortminded and stupid but i dont see any possible chance to achieve more than it was already achieved with conventional methods utilising EM field as main preference.
I am posting here pretty simplified draw to explain more why this is not possible.
Coin does not have neither one preference which we can monitor over soil surface. Soil surfaces preferences will always blank and cancel everything what possibly coming from burried coin.
Ask anybody of e.e.'s here on this forum.
Ask Carl Moreland, ask Quiaozhi, ask Sean Goddard...ask anybody..

And this just the advantage of pistols since is far of the soil, so sensibility you can up very much in combination mixing some circuits for to do the job.

Regards

Esteban

[ivconic]

This is the case when we monitor plain soil surface. Zero reading refering to any eventaul coin preference...

[ivconic]

And this is the case we have when exposing same soil to EM field produced in search head of any detector...

[Esteban]

Just like the Energizer Bunny you'll keep on waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.......................I've been reading this board for a couple of years and read many tales of how well these LRL work yet not one of the advocates has shown any proof other then some usually poor photos. Estaban how about you find a real treasure ie. a big pile of gold then get the media to take photos and video of you with it. Or better still buy a private jet ( G550's are really nice and only about 40 Million $ us) and fly up to collect Carl's $25,000 prize money. When you can do either of them maybe you will have a few more belivers.

My intention (if you never read the threads) isn't make money, so I'm not seller, no manufacturer, only investigator. I wish from all you OYE (Open Your Eyes), but also oye in Spanish mean listen.

Do the world runs only through the money, the gold, the petroleum, etc.? Is this the only rea$on? This big society of consumers will be destroy the world, the monster each day eat more and more...

Regards

Esteban

[ivconic]

Dell,Esteban...nobody can deny your own experiences. As far as i am concerned, point here is not to deny your claims (my last wish!). Point is both of you to try to explain a bit more working principles of those apparatuses you've been used to gain such experiences.
Again, i guess i am a bit shortminded, simply i can not understand working principle of those devices!? Simply i cant! I cant figure what coin preference you are able to monitor with your apparatus? Coin is small,metal thing, light weigth,small mass,small size...Usually if burried in ground it is absolutelly blanked/canceled by surrounding ground itself...So far i havent been able to
"sense" or any other way monitor such small metal item...except in cases when it is at very shallow depths..and even than;only with some very good metal detector - no other way..

[Esteban]

Dell,Esteban...nobody can deny your own experiences. As far as i am concerned, point here is not to deny your claims (my last wish!). Point is both of you to try to explain a bit more working principles of those apparatuses you've been used to gain such experiences.
Again, i guess i am a bit shortminded, simply i can not understand working principle of those devices!? Simply i cant! I cant figure what coin preference you are able to monitor with your apparatus? Coin is small,metal thing, light weigth,small mass,small size...Usually if burried in ground it is absolutelly blanked/canceled by surrounding ground itself...So far i havent been able to
"sense" or any other way monitor such small metal item...except in cases when it is at very shallow depths..and even than;only with some very good metal detector - no other way..

But the surrounding soil is less in density and conductivity. A solid coin has special electric and/or magnetic characteristic when buried for long time.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

If Esteban's device do the same thing as conventional detector...than..what is the point of making it?

Hmmmm... What have we here?
It seems you are presuming that Esteban's detector works on the principle of detecting eddy currents generated by a metal detector search coil. But wait...
Esteban said his treasure detector detects via magnetic absorption, not by detecting induced eddy currents. I am sure any EE will tell you it is not practical to detect induced eddy currents from a long distance, but what do these EEs know about detecting magnetic absorption anomalies?

In the case of Esteban's proposed magnetic absorption detector, there are more forces at work than just the absorption of magnetism. It is presumed that long-time buried non-ferrous objects are capable of developing other physical properties in the surrounding soil due to dissolved traces of metal which change the soil composition enough to produce anomalies that can me measured at a greater distance than an eddy current detector.

It has been well documented by scientists all over the world that long time buried metals including gold will dissolve and actually form a column of ions that move upwards toward the surface of the soil. These ions are in-effect part of a ground battery as long as they remain as ions, and are capable of interacting with not only the magnetic properties of the ground, but also the electrostatic properties of the air in the local area where the metal is buried.

Now, knowing that Esteban's detector does not work on the principle of detecting induced eddy currents, how can you prove it doesn't work? The only method I know to prove whether it works is to watch it succeed or fail at finding long time buried non-ferrous metals.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hmmmm... What have we here?
It seems you are presuming that Esteban's detector works on the principle of detecting eddy currents generated by a metal detector search coil. But wait...
Esteban said his treasure detector detects via magnetic absorption, not by detecting induced eddy currents. I am sure any EE will tell you it is not practical to detect induced eddy currents from a long distance, but what do these EEs know about detecting magnetic absorption anomalies?

In the case of Esteban's proposed magnetic absorption detector, there are more forces at work than just the absorption of magnetism. It is presumed that long-time buried non-ferrous objects are capable of developing other physical properties in the surrounding soil due to dissolved traces of metal which change the soil composition enough to produce anomalies that can me measured at a greater distance than an eddy current detector.

It has been well documented by scientists all over the world that long time buried metals including gold will dissolve and actually form a column of ions that move upwards toward the surface of the soil. These ions are in-effect part of a ground battery as long as they remain as ions, and are capable of interacting not only the magnetic properties of the ground, but also the electrostatic properties of the air in the local area where the metal is buried.

Now, knowing that Esteban's detector does not work on the principle of detecting induced eddy currents, how can you prove it doesn't work? The only method I know to prove whether it works is to watch it succeed or fail at finding long time buried non-ferrous metals.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, you explain very better than me.

Regards

Esteban

[ivconic]

".Now, knowing that Esteban's detector does not work on the principle of detecting induced eddy currents, how can you prove it doesn't work? The only method to prove this is to watch it succeed or fail at finding long time buried non-ferrous metals...."

Again,my intention is not to prove anything here. But to learn more about that new, unknown (for me) method. As i said, i simply can not understand and therefore i want to learn and understand....so i could make my own device and go outdoor to collect more coins! Hurraaah!

[J_Player]

Again,my intention is not to prove anything here. But to learn more about that new, unknown (for me) method. As i said, i simply can not understand and therefore i want to learn and understand....so i could make my own device and go outdoor to collect more coins! Hurraaah!

Hi Ivconic,
I don't think anyone knows entirely all the details of the principles of how this magnetic absorption detector works including Esteban. I think Esteban knows only enough of the principles to be able to build a detector and post a schematic. The good part is if it works, then we can all find more coins and large gold statues that have been missed by others.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hmmmm... What have we here?
It seems you are presuming that Esteban's detector works on the principle of detecting eddy currents generated by a metal detector search coil. But wait...
Esteban said his treasure detector detects via magnetic absorption, not by detecting induced eddy currents. I am sure any EE will tell you it is not practical to detect induced eddy currents from a long distance, but what do these EEs know about detecting magnetic absorption anomalies?

In the case of Esteban's proposed magnetic absorption detector, there are more forces at work than just the absorption of magnetism. It is presumed that long-time buried non-ferrous objects are capable of developing other physical properties in the surrounding soil due to dissolved traces of metal which change the soil composition enough to produce anomalies that can me measured at a greater distance than an eddy current detector.

It has been well documented by scientists all over the world that long time buried metals including gold will dissolve and actually form a column of ions that move upwards toward the surface of the soil. These ions are in-effect part of a ground battery as long as they remain as ions, and are capable of interacting with not only the magnetic properties of the ground, but also the electrostatic properties of the air in the local area where the metal is buried.

Now, knowing that Esteban's detector does not work on the principle of detecting induced eddy currents, how can you prove it doesn't work? The only method I know to prove whether it works is to watch it succeed or fail at finding long time buried non-ferrous metals.

Best wishes,
J_P

I have designed a apparatus wich monitoring ambient. In place with high conductivity (include cartridge of brass) the apparatus can't center well the target but demonstrates (for this apparatus) how "infernal" (for this antenna based apparatus) can be the electric field. Lead only is detectable when you are over the target with short beeps. Round objects better, include stainless-steel coin, but at short distance. When you walk the antenna is affected in front and laterals, not very directional it is, and I can comprobe that this apparatus can detect the conductive item near a car! So imagine you the magnitude of the field for this antenna milivoltmeter + equalizer (or comparator) + amplifier + beep generator.

Regards

Esteban

[Qiaozhi]

THE OMNITRON IS STILL WITH US

THE TRUTH IS,

In 1987 Randi, conducted eight DB tests on the Omnitron MFD, in front of witnesses, and camera crew on a public beach in Florida. Six (6) of the DB tests were reported at the end of the day to be accurate (75%). Randi, stated to me in the presence of witness that more tests would have to be conducted to reach any conclusions.

In later years Randi, lied about me, and the tests to the public claiming that no test ever took place, and accused me of being a liar, fraud and scammer.

When confronted with Video proof of the test Randi changed his lie to, the Omnitron did not work. Carl, supported Randi's lies with his own by claiming that the DB tests never took place, that the results were based on visible tests where I could see the Gold, or Silver.

Carl, was not there, has no way of knowing, and has lied about the Omnitron DB test results in support of Randi's, efforts to defame my name and lifelong reputation of honesty.

Two liars with a self promotion Challenge gimmick, do not make a right. Dell

Here's Randi's side of the story -> http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/111805setback.html
Scroll down to the section entitled "THE OMNITRON IS STILL WITH US".

[Aziz]

My opinion:
"Even not if the hell got frozen!".

[ivconic]

Just checking new smiley...

[Max]

new also for me...