MINEORO 2008 MODS.

[Fred]

[quote=Esteban;75139Not all are BFO. The blue/green pistol is induction/balance, not BFO.
You can make a BFO and replace the IB coils and PCB by BFO and connect BFO audio out to buzzer PCB.[/quote]
From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

[Esteban]

From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

A plate or antenna is not very precisse, but the IB type, for example, is more precisse.

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

From what i could unerstand about those LRL, the detecting coil shape/configuration is not important,could even be a conductive plate, results would be the same.
Fred.

You are 100% correct about the shape/config. It's not important. But a front coil/antenna is needed. Not a conductive plate.

[Esteban]

[quote=Morgan;75141]

I already made some time ago one BFO detector.
Can you explain where to make PCB5 conections to BFO PCB,or if needs ferrite?...

Regards

Use normally the ferrite part. See the connection here. I use Qiaozhi's schematic design

As you know, just I post this part.

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

BFO as LRL

Thanks a lot for this schematic

I will try this,just for curiosity...

[Fred]

A plate or antenna is not very precisse, but the IB type, for example, is more precisse.
Esteban

You are 100% correct about the shape/config. It's not important. But a front coil/antenna is needed. Not a conductive plate.

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.

[Morgan]

LRL PD

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.

Thats true,unfortunetly the weather conditions are importante,rainy days or ground very wett are not good,but maybe one day this problem can be solved...

[Morgan]

LRL PD

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.

Fresh batteries are allways important in this device,or biger size batteries.
If the OMEGA coil is biger than 20 cm diameter,it hapens like the Mineoro DC2008,become very erratic and randomic device,anyway more stable in beach than in mineralized ground,so the biger the coil,more afected by mineralization. More wett the ground,more active the mineralization interference. To avoid such ground conditions because no Faraday shield on coils,Alonso create some mini coil LRL devices who can find coin 1m distance but very stable.

[hung]

If the OMEGA coil is biger than 20 cm diameter,it hapens like the Mineoro DC2008,become very erratic and randomic device,anyway more stable in beach than in mineralized ground,so the biger the coil,more afected by mineralization.

Sorry but you have many wrong presumptions.

First of all, Fred is absolutely correct. For this type of detectors such as PD and the Mineoros, weather DOES make a huge difference. This is exepcted naturally. There's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifestin humidity. So, no electrostatic or ionic fields. In this scenario, the detection reduces and quits. On the other hand, hot and dry weather, electrostatics manifest at best.

Second, the size of loop antenna has nothing to do with instability erratic signals. As long as the right ratio and resonance is achieved among the coils. On the contrary, range will increase. When you report randomic signals happening to your device is because the coils are clearly out of specs.

I don't have the time I wished to dedicate to the PD mainly because I have abandoned the aproach of detecting 'fields' emanating from targets due to the drawbacks I explained above. My LRL aproach detects the target itself and not the fields it produces. No mistakes, no weather dependent, nothing to interfere.
For the aproach the PD was planned, I think I already have a good performance with it. But I still think I can enhance it even more changing some circuits to double its range keeping the stability. But this aproaoch will have a limit.
For this I may have the help of a person here who has made his doctorate in electrostatics and has many inventions on this subject. He is a laureate.

By the way I got the info from a technician at Mineoro that the new detector is working really fine. It's detecting everyday, even in high humidity,with perfect pinpointing the gold plate they buried at 2 feet for only 1 month. Since the loop antenna is the standard size as the PDC, it seems they have evolved in the coil configuration.

[hung]

There's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifestin humidity.

Sorry, my bad. I should have said, there's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifest in humid air, since this is the mean which transports the electrons.

In sea for instance, with salt water, the ionic activity is higher in a sunny day. This 'transporting' happens better.
Damasio told me that he found that over the sea, the detection ranges augments about 4 times.

[Esteban]

Ok,
Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection.
Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors.
The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it.
regards,
Fred.

I use spiral as plate, but tune, and this work for few meters. I use nude, not closed, and sunny days are very better. Other strange aspect is this: if you're near the target, isn't detectable, but if you go more far is detectable, and more: there is a critic point in wich is very good detectable continuous, this is a distance in wich "resonate". In general I use .1 uf accross the spiral.

[Fred]

In general I use .1 uf accross the spiral.

Hi esteban,
Nice coil!
The fact that you need a capacitor is strange, i could mean you are detecting a viariating signal, not DC one.
regards,
Fred.

[roberts]

Esteban you are more crazy than my compatriot Nikola Tesla!!! Only he was real genius and you? Not proven yet!
What the hell is that coil for!?
How many millions of turns!?
What is resistance? 4.34 terraoms?
And inductance? 2.67 terraH ?
For what, the hell, that coil is good?
"Energy sucker" maybe? Serouslly doubt, such huge resistances and inductances are presenting huge waste in all possible cases.
I guess you saw somewhere on internet some Tesla's lunatic experiment and now playing at home like small child, inovating new charlatanic science!?
You will catch NOTHING with that coil! Trust me!
You need HV generator to plug in it to make it at least usefull for something.
Ha,ha,ha!

I can only respect such enormous effort and pain to wound such gigantic coil, even it was totally mismatched from a start.
You are worth of any admiration Esteban. Bravo!

[roberts]

"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

Am i gonna live long enough to see that? Please hurry up Hung, cose i dont feel very well, might die in next century!

Damasio told me that...this....here...there... AGAIN!?
Seems Damasio is great story teller. As long as there are kids to listen...

[Esteban]

Esteban you are more crazy than my compatriot Nikola Tesla!!! Only he was real genius and you? Not proven yet!
What the hell is that coil for!?
How many millions of turns!?
What is resistance? 4.34 terraoms?
And inductance? 2.67 terraH ?
For what, the hell, that coil is good?
"Energy sucker" maybe? Serouslly doubt, such huge resistances and inductances are presenting huge waste in all possible cases.
I guess you saw somewhere on internet some Tesla's lunatic experiment and now playing at home like small child, inovating new charlatanic science!?
You will catch NOTHING with that coil! Trust me!
You need HV generator to plug in it to make it at least usefull for something.
Ha,ha,ha!

I can only respect such enormous effort and pain to wound such gigantic coil, even it was totally mismatched from a start.
You are worth of any admiration Esteban. Bravo!

Tesla was (is) a great scientific, just I'm a simple experimenter! Yes, Tesla has patented spiral coil...

Yes, you're right! I must be crazy for to wind and past turn by turn! Not big coil, maybe 18 cm diam. Previous (some years ago) I made like this but with more gross wire with regular results.

No, I don't see in internet, but I think can be better than "normal" coil, who knows!

Roberts, this catch the "phenomenon", believe me!

Regards

Esteban