ICONOS Gold Detector

[Max]

Hi Max,

Just for the fun,
Imagine that one or two days per week only , at the same place and same conditions the LRL detects a target ? How would you call this ?

Regards,
Fred.

? just for the fun... did you see it really or we are playing some RPG here ?

[Fred]

Hi Max,

Just for the fun,
Imagine that one or two days per week only , at the same place and same conditions the LRL detects a target ? How would you call this ?

Regards,
Fred.

[Max]

You probably meant to say "intentional scams", and I agree that many of the LRLs advertised do indeed appear to be intentional scams. However, in some cases, it may be true the sellers really believe that their devices actually work. This is a process of self-delusion, that is all too common amongst human beings.


Personally, I wouldn't buy one either.


I have tested the Mineoro FG80 a couple of times, and it's just not possible to take this device seriously. Complete random beeping in all directions. Even if you get a consistent beep (as sometimes occurs) it's impossible to tell whether the signal originates from the front or the back of the detector, so which direction should you walk? The best direction would be back to the shop where you bought it, and ask for your money back.

Esteban appears to be a special case, and I would like nothing more than to go treasure hunting with him, and actually see the acclaimed pistol detection in action. My suspicion is that there is an element of mind trickery at work, and this will only be confirmed by double-blind testing.

Hi,
"Esteban appears to be a special case, and I would like nothing more than to go treasure hunting with him, and actually see the acclaimed pistol detection in action. My suspicion is that there is an element of mind trickery at work, and this will only be confirmed by double-blind testing."

well... if so...you just need a ticket and go in Paraguay.... I think
not cause he will provide you serious demonstration that his LRLs work for real... but just cause there's the usual claim devices work just in particular climate or "locations" like South America etc so you cannot test in the UK even if Mr. Esteban wanna travel there to show you that device works!

I think this endless stories around working LRLs are just part of immagination of them... others are just fraud-related and so we can say... one way or another LRLs don't work really.

The simple fact one cannot have a consistent way of repeating the experience if same conditions match tell us the "phenomena" is just that they think the "phenomena" exist... so just their thought about what device do... but not a real scientific fact.

If I switch on my MD and start searching I always detect the same coin at same place buried no matter of weather ... so I can say it works, otherwise how I can do that ? If one day my MD say the target is there... the next day not... the next month yes again... then I dig a meter of soil and found nothing how the hell I can say device works !?

The inconsistence of any LRL, also of those claimed working that I think are not, is a proof that them really don't work at all.

Or we can consider faint and vanishing spot beeps as real target detection ? How to prove we have target detection and not just instability or noise detection ? I think those LRL people will never give such an answer... cause simply they can't.

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

I think all LRL on the market are scams, cause nobody could demonstrate anything with them... so the customer that buy one will end up with a totally useless device, will just spend money to make richer the "manifacturers" and will find nothing just using LRL... but need always a conventional MD to find stuff.

You probably meant to say "intentional scams", and I agree that many of the LRLs advertised do indeed appear to be intentional scams. However, in some cases, it may be true the sellers really believe that their devices actually work. This is a process of self-delusion, that is all too common amongst human beings.

The conclusion is clear for me: the LRLs serve nothing apart for fraud custormers and let them belive in dreams of pinpointing a coin from meters away.

Personally, I wouldn't buy one either.

I saw some of them on the field... are just randomic beepers and you will not find anything with them. Some I built myself like zahori to test if anything works... and zahori doesn't detect water flows... so the idea it could detect gold or diamonds is plain absurd speculation made by people who have interests in LRL and probably are self-convinced them work... but it isn't.

I have tested the Mineoro FG80 a couple of times, and it's just not possible to take this device seriously. Complete random beeping in all directions. Even if you get a consistent beep (as sometimes occurs) it's impossible to tell whether the signal originates from the front or the back of the detector, so which direction should you walk? The best direction would be back to the shop where you bought it, and ask for your money back.

Esteban appears to be a special case, and I would like nothing more than to go treasure hunting with him, and actually see the acclaimed pistol detection in action. My suspicion is that there is an element of mind trickery at work, and this will only be confirmed by double-blind testing.

[Qiaozhi]

This means practice until a degree of expertise is acquired. The balance of success is about 20 percent instrument and 80 percent operator ( This is from Dell's web site on the Pro4)
Anyone worked with the Dell Pro4 I would like to know what the 80 percent operator ( is it learn the unit,a feeling,etc) what is the 20 percent of the Pro4( Is it control setting etc)

I think the 80% operator is referring to the IQ of the user.

[Esteban]

Hi,
could be some effect not well understud... I don't discuss that, simply don't know about.

What I found funny is that every schematic posted or reversed enginnered failed so far... and people talking of working LRL are always the same, probably involved in the business.

Simply you cannot reproduce the "phenomena" they talk about.

I think all LRL on the market are scams, cause nobody could demonstrate anything with them... so the customer that buy one will end up with a totally useless device, will just spend money to make richer the "manifacturers" and will find nothing just using LRL... but need always a conventional MD to find stuff.

The conclusion is clear for me: the LRLs serve nothing apart for fraud custormers and let them belive in dreams of pinpointing a coin from meters away.

I saw some of them on the field... are just randomic beepers and you will not find anything with them. Some I built myself like zahori to test if anything works... and zahori doesn't detect water flows... so the idea it could detect gold or diamonds is plain absurd speculation made by people who have interests in LRL and probably are self-convinced them work... but it isn't.

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, you can reproduce the phenomenon is you bury a couple of coins (bronze is a cheap option) in your garden and wait for his "apparition". But, while, there are enormeous sources of old targets that "emits" the "phenomenon".

I don't know if the "phenomenon" is possible in presence of snow or extreme cold (here in my country never you'll see snow). I think no.

Max, believe me, if you insist in a direction in any field you're persistent, you'll obtain incredivel results! I tell you with sincerity.

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Dell pro 4

This means practice until a degree of expertise is acquired. The balance of success is about 20 percent instrument and 80 percent operator ( This is from Dell's web site on the Pro4)
Anyone worked with the Dell Pro4 I would like to know what the 80 percent operator ( is it learn the unit,a feeling,etc) what is the 20 percent of the Pro4( Is it control setting etc)

[Max]

hi Max,
Yes i know..i agree.
But there may be some effect that is not well understood, and most important NOT RELIABLE enought to be used on a regular basis.I dont know, but i dont reject that...
BTW this "helicopter" is for real and for sell- manufactured in small quantity.Really cool but expensive!!


Exactly.If it really worked the would not need to sell it so expensive.building costs are low,so they could sell thouthands of them very quickly.Why is that always so complicated to get proofs that those LRL´s works ? When a new metal detector goes on the market,reviews are done,users share their opinions and everyone can know if and how well it works.
With LRL´s this NEVER happened,not once.Dont you think strange?
And if you could get a working LRL, would you sell it, or keep it to find treasures to get rich ?

Regards,
Fred.

Hi,
could be some effect not well understud... I don't discuss that, simply don't know about.

What I found funny is that every schematic posted or reversed enginnered failed so far... and people talking of working LRL are always the same, probably involved in the business.

Simply you cannot reproduce the "phenomena" they talk about.

I think all LRL on the market are scams, cause nobody could demonstrate anything with them... so the customer that buy one will end up with a totally useless device, will just spend money to make richer the "manifacturers" and will find nothing just using LRL... but need always a conventional MD to find stuff.

The conclusion is clear for me: the LRLs serve nothing apart for fraud custormers and let them belive in dreams of pinpointing a coin from meters away.

I saw some of them on the field... are just randomic beepers and you will not find anything with them. Some I built myself like zahori to test if anything works... and zahori doesn't detect water flows... so the idea it could detect gold or diamonds is plain absurd speculation made by people who have interests in LRL and probably are self-convinced them work... but it isn't.

Kind regards,
Max

[putrechigi]

hi fred and hall

you are right now i whait the test of minelab gp 4500 many person said that is very good in discrimination and power the minelab is serious industries they pay alot of money for the test and tecnology in the metal detector, for me is the best, but very very very expensive from GP series, they are cunning, every year exit one metal little more power that old and if you want to find moore you must buy new but the metal work ,and good work, not problem for warranty and seriousness' i start with sovereign and after explore every two is good ,now i buy tesoro tejon good report quality price, but minelab is the one

best reguards

[Fred]

Hi,
But I'm sure you will understand that making fly a man is pretty easy compared with detecting a coin buried at 1meter depth from 1Km distance! Same apply to a 2 meters far buried coin...
I could belive also some donkey fly but not that an LRL truly exist or can be made and expecially by these prophets of the hot melt glue.

Kind regards,
Max

hi Max,
Yes i know..i agree.
But there may be some effect that is not well understood, and most important NOT RELIABLE enought to be used on a regular basis.I dont know, but i dont reject that...
BTW this "helicopter" is for real and for sell- manufactured in small quantity.Really cool but expensive!!

... the problem is if somebody buy and pay 6.500 euro and after he don't work!!!!! considered that only in Italy if it really work they have thousands of buyers (i'm the first!) but how is possible not have the same problems that had kirk-chi? at you the comment.

Exactly.If it really worked the would not need to sell it so expensive.building costs are low,so they could sell thouthands of them very quickly.Why is that always so complicated to get proofs that those LRL´s works ? When a new metal detector goes on the market,reviews are done,users share their opinions and everyone can know if and how well it works.
With LRL´s this NEVER happened,not once.Dont you think strange?
And if you could get a working LRL, would you sell it, or keep it to find treasures to get rich ?

Regards,
Fred.

[putrechigi]

hi

hi at hall some my friends in this forum have know what i want to said from iconos...... but i make joke some doubt i have but ............ this is not the problem, the problem is if somebody buy and pay 6.500 euro and after he don't work!!!!! considered that only in Italy if it really work they have thousands of buyers (i'm the first!) but how is possible not have the same problems that had kirk-chi? at you the comment.

P.S. hi esteban you are the first friend that i have call for to came in italy, when you go at your parents in piemonte? i know the tiket is very expensive but with the good lrl in one week we pay 10 tiket in first class i'm sure and you eat the most 'good Italian porchetta naturally is for hall of forum tha want too meet me

[Max]

You know what?...nothing is impossible
regards,
Fred.

Hi,
I see... but this man seems like gadget for real ! and fly away !

But I'm sure you will understand that making fly a man is pretty easy compared with detecting a coin buried at 1meter depth from 1Km distance! Same apply to a 2 meters far buried coin...

I could belive also some donkey fly but not that an LRL truly exist or can be made and expecially by these prophets of the hot melt glue.

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

You know... it's like a cartoon and they are like those funny idiotic inventors lead to demential addiction to solder paste....and plenty of wires...that always fail the main purpose but do something different like flashing a led!

They are like Inspector Gadget...

Kind regards,
Max

You know what?...nothing is impossible
regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Claim 200 meters, etc., but the truth is this: when humidity is 75-80 % in air (not the same after rain, this not mean total humidity, the theme is total environmental humidity) long range detection is near zero. Humidity is an important factor. So, the sellers will added this information in his pages (If Iconos know this, but sure they don't know it) . I have instruments for measure pressure, humidity and temp. in door of labo and I can comprobe this. Environmental conditions are very important. Correction: are the more important!

[Esteban]

I have see the leds for target in other lrl but i don't remeber where I think.......................... but is not possible

best reguards

Ehhh!!! Maybe you're right.