Rangertell LRL discreditation

[hipopp]

message to carl re ranger LRL

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak. why not tell your folk how to build thier own, easy once you know the resonant frequency of the target such as gold for example. You might have to build a huge aerial and carry the device around in the back of your semi trailer as well ...or ...you could just go out and buy yourself a Rangertell LRL which is smaller cos it works off a harmonic of the original resonant frequency allowing you to make it smaller. The principle of operation is no , i say again, no different to the tuning knob on a transistor radio with your body as an aerial and the inductance from currents from the calculator assisting in the discrimnation of the target signal. The ranger was designed by a geoliogist for use in the detection of minerals/fields. It has always been recomended to be used in conjunction with a standard metal detector because of the time/efficiency constraints sometime associated with professional industrial application.

[Fred]

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing..

Not for you.

...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment.

This is ridiculous: it is precisely the opposite :everybody believes in wireless etc etc because its principles are well documented and understood,unlike the rangertell.

Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. .).

Since when are magnet involved in powerplant generators?

OK i have said enough for now.....

I agree...

.. in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. .

You keep referring to geophysics, do you mean "Geotech"?
Fred.

[hung]

Once again, whenever dowsers can't do what they say they can do, it somehow must be ol' Carl's fault. Magnets have no effect whatsoever on dowsing or LRLs, beyond the pure imagination of the practitioner. So even if I did tote in a magnet to a dowsing test it would make no difference, as long as the dowser had no knowledge of it. Such a "dirty trick" would be as pointless as secretly putting a voodoo spell on the test area.

But I have to say, your fabrications are at least getting a little more creative.

R-e-a-l-l-y?

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?
Should I remind you of one your apparent 'dumb' questions directed to Mike Tune at the time of the treasure tracker challenge? What was that question Carl, uh?

About... if the TT was affected by magnets, which made Mike question if you were thinking about doing something 'off the record'?

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

Did you recede in your knowledge about dowsing if any?

[Max]

R-e-a-l-l-y?

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?
Should I remind you of one your apparent 'dumb' questions directed to Mike Tune at the time of the treasure tracker challenge? What was that question Carl, uh?

About... if the TT was affected by magnets, which made Mike question if you were thinking about doing something 'off the record'?

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

Did you recede in your knowledge about dowsing if any?

Hi,
if magnets are so relevant in the failure of LRL process... why the hell he claimed can detect a gold nugget on the floor inside a room ??? explain that, you're so smart!

Or he hasn't magnets at that place ???

New age guy... or just full BS story about that magnets interferences...
and lrl nugget detection at meters away... take your pick!

So he miss that pretty things in the picture maybe...

I think it's just another fairy tale... this time without magnets.

So, I must assume he hasn't a cellphone, a creditcard, some vhs tape around... no computer/harddisk, no crt, no microphones, no headphones, no table phones, no electric motors, no compass, no transformer cores, no magnetic gadgets, no magnetic toys, no nails in the wall, no rebars in concrete etc etc...

Pretty minimalist place... made of wood , paper and hot melt glue ? good for new age madness! Maybe he's also vegetarian !

But don't eat legumes... cause need low iron content in the blood... so... I just wonder which would be his protein source ??? No meat ... no legumes... so what ??? Eggs maybe ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Carl-NC]

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?

You want me to deny something you fabricated? Sure, I'll deny it, because it never happened.

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

It's only an issue in the imagination of the dowser. Keep in mind, some dowsers tape magnets to their foreheads in the belief that it helps them! But if you do randomized blind testing on the effects of magnets on dowsing, you'll find there are no effects. Just like gloves, rubber boots, and signal generators. It's all imaginary.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Hippop,

The whole "theory" of gold resonating at some special frequency is an age-old dowsing fantasy. It doesn't happen. Never has, never will. You believe it happens because someone told you it does, and the RT has deceived you with a simple but convincing ideomotor response.

I have watched many dowsers perform self-tests that do nothing but reinforce their self-deception. I have worked with some of those dowsers and showed them proper test techniques that, when applied, results in the sudden and spectacular failure of their dowsing ability. It just didn't exist.

You're at the point with the RT where you are 100% convinced that it works, and the debate here will do nothing to change that. That's OK, seen it many times. You can do what most dowsers do, go off and use your dowsing rod for years, in the continued belief it is doing something it is not. Maybe with the help of a metal detector, you might occasionally find a nugget here or there. But I'll bet those Minelab boys will be cleaning house while you're chasing alibis.

A second route, one that I admit dowsers rarely take, is to find out for certain whether the RT works, or whether it is a mind trick. I told you in an email that there is an Australian skeptics group that has tested many dowsers, so they are fully aware of proper test techniques. Look them up, I bet they'll be glad to work with you. What you'll find is that under rigorous randomized blind conditions (which is still easier than field conditions) the RT will simply stop working.

Now here's the punch line: dowsing and LRL proponents who are familiar with randomized blind testing will readily admit that such tests ALWAYS fail, and most avoid such tests and actively denounce them. I've yet to test a dowser who has walked away from a failed test (and they've ALL failed) and admitted that dowsing just doesn't work; they blame the test. Denial runs deep in this game.

I'm sure that LRL proponents will tell you stay far far away from bad ol' scientific testing, so my expectations are that you will just continue believing what you want to believe. And that's fine. If you're having fun with it then, by golly, have fun. Everyone needs a little adventure in life, even if it's imaginary.

- Carl

[Theseus]

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak.

Why would you want Carl to lie to people? All matter DOES NOT resonate at an individual frequency. That is strictly a myth, concocted by LRL salesmen to sucker the "gullible" into buying worthless (overly expensive) dowsing contraptions. And, don't start talking about MRIs, because that is not the same thing at all.

You have been mentally brainwashed to think so, but you are very wrong in those beliefs. Vincent Blanes (RT) has sold you a bogus theory and a totally bogus (junk) dowsing gadget.

If you once would test your dowsing gadget according to a well-structured double-blind test protocol, you would see how you've been "taken in" by a clever scam artist, Vincent Blanes. Right now he is laughing all the way to the bank with your cash.

If the device actually worked, as advertised, the last thing he would be doing is selling it; rather he would be out using it and would not have time to run his marketing and sales schemes. The fact is, it doesn't work any better than ordinary guessing, and that's why he can make more cash selling it than he ever could using it.

I'm very sorry you have been robbed of your hard-earned cash. It's a very expensive lesson.

[hung]

Carl,

To many skeptic's dismay and at your own, I see that you get even further from understanding what dowsing is every year. And worse, you seem to 'un-learn' some scientific basis to back up your own as well.

[Steve in MS]

Here is the bottom line on LRL, does it work or not. Then how often will it work successfully. Still all we have is someones' word that they work, that is not enough though because we all know cellphones, radios, standard metal detectors, etc work because we see the results of them being used every day. A controlled test with other people present other than devout LRL users will be necessary to prove their usefulness otherwise all that left is a never ending debate that goes nowhere.

[Qiaozhi]

I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK?

Actually, it's not ok, especially since you went on to say:

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

You can say that again!

I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

Clearly you do not "know about these things".

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak. why not tell your folk how to build thier own, easy once you know the resonant frequency of the target such as gold for example. You might have to build a huge aerial and carry the device around in the back of your semi trailer as well ...or ...you could just go out and buy yourself a Rangertell LRL which is smaller cos it works off a harmonic of the original resonant frequency allowing you to make it smaller. The principle of operation is no , i say again, no different to the tuning knob on a transistor radio with your body as an aerial and the inductance from currents from the calculator assisting in the discrimnation of the target signal. The ranger was designed by a geoliogist for use in the detection of minerals/fields. It has always been recomended to be used in conjunction with a standard metal detector because of the time/efficiency constraints sometime associated with professional industrial application.

Blimey ... you are one confused individual.
As Carl said - have fun with the RT - but, please keep it to yourself. We don't encourage wallet-mining here.

[Carl-NC]

Carl,

To many skeptic's dismay and at your own, I see that you get even further from understanding what dowsing is every year. And worse, you seem to 'un-learn' some scientific basis to back up your own as well.

Since every dowser I've ever met has been unable to do what he says he can do when I'm watching, and after looking at over 20 LRLs and finding utter nonsense surrounded by bogus claims and even outright fraud (of which RangerTell is one of the worst), there is no other conclusion I could possibly arrive at.

If I'm wrong, then surely someone can show me I'm wrong. But every time they try, I turn out to be right.

- Carl

[hung]

Since every dowser I've ever met has been unable to do what he says he can do when I'm watching, and after looking at over 20 LRLs and finding utter nonsense surrounded by bogus claims and even outright fraud (of which RangerTell is one of the worst), there is no other conclusion I could possibly arrive at.

What about the dowsers who think it's not relevant at all to take your dumb tests which serve the only purpose of promoting yourself? Are they on your list too or you just count the half a dozen that decide to knock on your door?

I already told about how the RT led me to two treasure sites. This was before I develop my own system.
I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.
Does it also sound ideomotor to you ? Or ... maybe he suceeded cause you were not watching?

If I'm wrong, then surely someone can show me I'm wrong. But every time they try, I turn out to be right.

- Carl

Sure. As long as it's profitable to you.

[Qiaozhi]

I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.
Does it also sound ideomotor to you ? Or ... maybe he suceeded cause you were not watching?

No - it doesn't sound ideomotor to me ... just idiotic.

[Theseus]

I already told about how the RT led me to two treasure sites. This was before I develop my own system.

What makes these treasure sites? Did you recover treasure from them?

I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner...

Entering keys into the R-T dowsing wand has no effect whatsoever on what the device will point to. Pointing his finger in a supposed direction, and then going there with a metal detector to see what could be found in the general area, would produce the same results.

[Fred]

hi Hung (or double?)

Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.

How did he know the distance he was from the coins with a precision of 4 feets?