Rangertell LRL discreditation

[Max]

Sorry, It is you who insists on confusing physics, with meta-physics. I, at least know the difference, and when you combine the two methods, it causes errors in interpretation, and boggling confusion in the minds of the Skeptics.

Uhm... why not pseudo-physics also... or call it pseudoscience... even better!

Look at here:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29554

I like the frequency part... seems all have a "resonance" for that folks! Magic of crystals I see!

Like with some hotmeltglue device...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Ask Dr. Lecter on "Pseudoneurotic Gullibility"...

Here's the medical science involved with "Pseudoneurotic Gullibility"...AKA "Credulous Personality Disorder"

for the big series... "Ask Dr. Lecter"

Let me start with definition and features:

"
Diagnostic Features

The essential feature of Credulous Personality Disorder is a pattern of pervasive and excessive gullibility that causes the individual to accept without question claims unsupported by any credible evidence (including but not limited to claims involving health and health-related products, unconscious motivations, advertised products and services, extraterrestrial beings, get-rich-quick schemes, psychotherapeutic interventions, and/or the supernatural). This pattern begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.

Individuals with Credulous Personality Disorder have a marked tendency to be easily convinced by evidence of poor quality, or even by no evidence at all, as long as the knowledge claim fits easily into the individual’s irrational worldview and is made by a person of authority (e.g., a guest on an all-night radio call-in show; a self-confident telemarketer with a British accent; a celebrity interviewee on Larry King or a reporter for an entertainment magazine; a "therapist" on Sally Jesse Raphael; an actor playing a doctor in a television commercial; an author of a book promoted by Oprah Winfrey; a "being" who claims to be from another planet or another dimension who channels through their next-door neighbor; anyone claiming to speak with the dead, nonverbal animals, or omniscient entities from another plane of existence).
"

Interesting!

I think one could make a lot of money collecting that fools' dollars.

An interesting spot is in here...

"
Individuals with Credulous Personality Disorder often experience extreme dysphoria because of their desperate and constant attempts to achieve total happiness, health, and self-fulfillment — attempts that always result in eventual disappointment. The dysphoria lifts temporarily when they find a new scheme for achieving these same goals. People with Credulous Personality Disorder often are diagnosed with comorbid Anxiety Disorders, Dissociative Disorders, Somatization Disorder, Major Depression, Dysthymic Disorder, Substance-Related Disorders, Disorders of Impulse Control, as well as other Personality Disorders, especially Dependent Personality Disorder, Avoidant Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and several other personality disorders still under development (see future editions of this manual).
"

Histrionic Personality Disorder: seems it's you Dell!

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Sorry, It is you who insists on confusing physics, with meta-physics. I, at least know the difference, and when you combine the two methods, it causes errors in interpretation, and boggling confusion in the minds of the Skeptics.

Aaaaa... right on que with another non-answer to the REAL question. You are so predictable.

Dell said; The truth is, I have always agreed. By definition, there is only one true dowsing method, and that is the meta-physical use of a trained mind/muscle, ideomotor response.

Yes, but we both know that is part of your sales and marketing scheme to make the gullible and technically challenged think there is another type of dowsing when a FG is involved.

The real truth is; whether a person uses a needle and thread to obtain an ideomotor response, or an L-rod and a Do-Nothing MFD plugged into the ground to obtain an ideomotor response, both actions are called DOWSING. There is only one kind!

I repeat my challenge to you for the umpteenth time: Please post valid and substantiated evidence to support your theory of two types of dowsing. Also, show how the signals from your "physical" dowsing can be measured with something other than L-rods held in your hand.

[Fred]

Sorry, It is you who insists on confusing physics, with meta-physics. I, at least know the difference, and when you combine the two methods, it causes errors in interpretation, and boggling confusion in the minds of the Skeptics.

Could you explain the meta-physics that makes dowsing work?

[Dell Winders]

And I repeat to you for the umteenth time, I have No theory that supports two types of Dowsing. That is your own prejudice belief, not mine. No rational discussion can be held when you hold such idiotic beliefs.

Max, your definition of "Credulus Personality Disorder" fits the chronic Skeptic mentality, on this forum perfectly. I hope you get well soon. Dell

Could you explain the meta-physics that makes dowsing work?

NO!

[Qiaozhi]

And I repeat to you for the umteenth time, I have No theory that supports two types of Dowsing. That is your own prejudice belief, not mine. No rational discussion can be held when you hold such idiotic beliefs.

Max, your definition of "Credulus Personality Disorder" fits the chronic Skeptic mentality, on this forum perfectly. I hope you get well soon. Dell

NO!

And what about the other questions you have conveniently ignored with your selective memory?
I repeat: What was the name of the documentary you were referring to earlier?

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!"

[Theseus]

So..... Dell maintains two kinds of long distance locating things through the use of an L-rod. One method utilizes the mind and an ideomotor response, to either cause a simple pendulum to indicate, or an L-rod to swing or lock. The other uses an L-rod to swing or lock, but depends totally on something metaphysical, as an input to the L-rod indication.

Here is something I found on the Internet. Perhaps this gives us a clue why Dell won't tell us how his metaphysical method of locating something at a distance, works.

Another view is that metaphysical statements are not meaningless statements, but rather that they are generally not fallible, testable or provable statements (see Karl Popper). That is to say, there is no valid set of empirical observations nor a valid set of logical arguments, which could definitively prove metaphysical statements to be true or false. Hence, a metaphysical statement usually implies an idea about the world or about the universe, which may seem reasonable but is ultimately not empirically verifiable.

Or, alternatively, maybe Dell has concocted his own brand of (dare I say the word...) DOWSING, and since he needed a name for it that would suggest things of a physical nature, but it was something that couldn't be testable or explainable--- then he chose the word metaphysical; and thus afforded himself a convenient "back-door", in case anyone actually ask for an explanation.

Clever, wouldn't you say? This smug old guy in the red shirt is not as dumb as he makes out to be.

[jondoe67]

I purchased a rangertell examiner deluxe with the seperate line generator for the computer.
There are 14 pdf files and I have had mixed sucess in the short hour or two I actually used the device.

I'm half tempted to take it apart to see if it is a hoax, or is for real, as I understand basic quantum physics and very basic electrical engineering, but I don't want to destroy it, as I am thinking about selling it since it is basically brand new and I did pay over 500$ for the 2 devices and could use the $.

I have to believe there is some validity to their device, but need to have someone show me how it works and how to use it "properly". It did know the difference in 14, 18, and 24k gold, but magnetic interferance, including my own, does seem to effect the device to a degree.

My uncle was 98 when he died and I have seen him "douse" to the exact foot, so I know without ANY doubt that dowsing is an ABSOLUTE reality. I tried years ago, but was unsuccessful. My mother could do it as well.

Someone mentioned something about a cd and resonance, but there is a laser and other electronics in play there, so it is not the same thing.
They say this is not dowsing it is detecting, but I'm not convinced either way as of right now.

I sell on eBay and was going to put it in my store, but after hearing all this negative feedback, I don't know if I want to risk the feedback, in case the person who buys it cannot use it due to his or her individual frequency, or the inability to "feel" the change in vibrations or magnetic frequencies.

I have used it and found no gold, but it takes most people more than 2 hours to find gold, lol!!! and I did spend about 20 hours with my fisher G.B. 2 with no better results, just dug up a lot more "garbage".

Again, I need the $, but don't know if I should risk bad feedback, as we are at 100% and would like to keep it that way.
People are all different and if you get the wrong buyer, "nothing you do is right", so it's not really worth the risk for us..........Don't suppose the the makers would buy it back???.

I am netural and would be more than happy to go on you-tube or participate in a test with a standard gold detector to either prove it works, or report that it does not.
I hope it does work, but people need to know either way, as I saved up pennies for quite some time from disability to buy this unit and feel I have a responsibility to give it a chance and inform others either way.

Again, I hope it works, but if it is a 5$ calculator and a garage door opener, the maker should be in prison and if I do find that it is, I will devote 52 blogs over the next year to expose it for what it is.
Thank for listening,
B.P..

[J_Player]

I purchased a rangertell examiner deluxe with the seperate line generator for the computer.
There are 14 pdf files and I have had mixed sucess in the short hour or two I actually used the device.

I'm half tempted to take it apart to see if it is a hoax, or is for real, as I understand basic quantum physics and very basic electrical engineering, but I don't want to destroy it, as I am thinking about selling it since it is basically brand new and I did pay over 500$ for the 2 devices and could use the $.

I have to believe there is some validity to their device, but need to have someone show me how it works and how to use it "properly". It did know the difference in 14, 18, and 24k gold, but magnetic interferance, including my own, does seem to effect the device to a degree.

My uncle was 98 when he died and I have seen him "douse" to the exact foot, so I know without ANY doubt that dowsing is an ABSOLUTE reality. I tried years ago, but was unsuccessful. My mother could do it as well.

Someone mentioned something about a cd and resonance, but there is a laser and other electronics in play there, so it is not the same thing.
They say this is not dowsing it is detecting, but I'm not convinced either way as of right now.

I sell on eBay and was going to put it in my store, but after hearing all this negative feedback, I don't know if I want to risk the feedback, in case the person who buys it cannot use it due to his or her individual frequency, or the inability to "feel" the change in vibrations or magnetic frequencies.

I have used it and found no gold, but it takes most people more than 2 hours to find gold, lol!!! and I did spend about 20 hours with my fisher G.B. 2 with no better results, just dug up a lot more "garbage".

Again, I need the $, but don't know if I should risk bad feedback, as we are at 100% and would like to keep it that way.
People are all different and if you get the wrong buyer, "nothing you do is right", so it's not really worth the risk for us..........Don't suppose the the makers would buy it back???.

I am netural and would be more than happy to go on you-tube or participate in a test with a standard gold detector to either prove it works, or report that it does not.
I hope it does work, but people need to know either way, as I saved up pennies for quite some time from disability to buy this unit and feel I have a responsibility to give it a chance and inform others either way.

Again, I hope it works, but if it is a 5$ calculator and a garage door opener, the maker should be in prison and if I do find that it is, I will devote 52 blogs over the next year to expose it for what it is.
Thank for listening,
B.P..

Hi jondoe67,

I have a Rangertell same Examiner deluxe model as you have on loan to perform some field tests.
This model is the same as the G-T Ver 8.08B model, but with a different calculator, more frequenies published in the instruction CD, and with the extra ground probe and software for a computer.

I have a long story, but I will try to give you the pertinent information that could answer your questions.
I was sent a new G-T Ver 8.08B to test in hopes of filming some demonstrations of scientific testing that would show whether it works or not.

During the time I had the G-T Ver 8.08B, I opened it and showed photos of the inside:


I have never seen any electronics that looked like this locate treasure. I tried to run some scientific tests to determine if it worked or not. But I had a problem. I could not establish a base line needed to perform a scientific test. By this I mean that I was never able to find any detection from the Examiner except random chance times it was pointing to a treasure that I knew the location of. It was the same as guessing. I found the same results from other people who tried it. On some occasions people were finding it to point to known treasure more than random guessing would allow. But when I secretly removed the treasure, the Examiner was still pointing to the location where they believed the treasure was. The times when these people tried to locate unknown treasures, they were not able to locate them.

Eventually I sent this unit back to the factory. I was told it was misadjusted and not functioning correctly, but after the factory re-aligned the components and made a readjustment it was working correctly. They were unable to determine whether it was damaged in shipment, or possibly damaged when it was opened.

We also can read the online Rangertell literature that says some people are biologically impaired in a manner that would prevent them from getting good results from an Examiner. According to Rangertell, this could be caused by being left-handed, or by injuries or medical conditions. These conditions are said to apply to only a small percentage of people. In my case, I have a past injury and nerve damage to my right arm which would make me suspect as a candidate for testing an Examiner. My future testing would be done only with volunteers who are right handed, while I observe and record the results.

Eventually, I was sent a replacement Examiner which is the same model as you have. I have tried it, and two acquaintances have tried it. The three of us have gotten the same results as from the previous G-T model which is the exact same pistol. We were never able to locate unknown treasures. For the treasures where we knew the location, my friends did better than me. Apparently I don't have the ideamotor gene. Because I cannot establish a base line percentage of successful attempts to locate treasure, I cannot perform a scientific test.

The feedback I get from other readers who claim success tell me there are special techniques needed, such as meditation, or mental excercises, but the manual says it is fully electronic, with the user's body forming part of the circuit. In any case I have invited anyone in the Los Angeles area to come and try it out to see if they are able to find treasure with it, and no responses. There is one other forum member nearby who came to test it and found the same results as I described. An attempt at a scientific test was failed because no base line was established. This same volunteer is also willing to come to a test demonstration and help with testing if we can find someone who wants to try and see if they can get it to work.

I have not opened the new Examiner Deluxe or the ground probe because I don't want to take the chance that I will cause any damage that could cause it to malfunction. The Deluxe model is identical to the photos you see above. The ground probe I am guessing has no electronics inside other than the wire soldered to the probe. (I may be wrong. Maybe a coil or...)? The ground probe is fed by the cable that plugs into a laptop computer audio jack to send an audio signal. The software causes your computer to make an audio tone that you can send to the speaker jack. You would hear this tone on headphones, or you can connect the ground probe to send it to the ground.

That is the essence of what I know from experience about the Examiner Deluxe. You can read a lot more about it in a long thread that has lots of debates about the best way to test and use it here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15999


Bottom line: It does not work for me. I have never seen it work for anyone else. I would not risk the liability of being sued for fraud for selling one when so many people report it does not work.

If you want to be involved in testing the Examiner, send me a PM
Hope that helped
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Hi Jondoe,

There is no question that the Ranger-Tell Examiner is a fraud. Open it up and look for yourself, that will remove all doubt. But before you do so, I urge you to perform some basic randomized blind testing on a test target. For most people, LRLs "seem" to work under lax test conditions (when the target location is known) but results fall to random guessing in more rigorous tests.

I know you say you need the money, but I hope you don't slough off a Bad Decision on someone else. If you decide the Examiner is a scam, contact the seller and request a full refund. If he won't do it, contact eBay and complain loudly. Contact ACCC (Australian consumer protection) and complain loudly. Spread the word in public forums.

I am in Oregon. If that is convenient to you I would be happy to meet and show you proper test methods. I can also show you the insides of 2 other Examiners, and 20+ other LRLs. It ain't pretty.

- Carl

[jondoe67]

Thanks, this helps and keeps me from tearing mine apart.
I Appreciate your reply and was puzzled by so much negativity. I have a very open mind and accept things much easier than most, but have mixed feelings about what's inside.
I see it possibably picking up different frequencies, but where is the power supply???. Even a "zero point" energy device has a power source and I do not understand how such a small voltage array of solar cels coud resonate and supply power.......I'm not so sure I can sell it on eBay now without some extensive blind testing of my own. Thank you very much for the time and info,
B.P.

[J_Player]

Thanks, this helps and keeps me from tearing mine apart.
I Appreciate your reply and was puzzled by so much negativity. I have a very open mind and accept things much easier than most, but have mixed feelings about what's inside.
I see it possibably picking up different frequencies, but where is the power supply???. Even a "zero point" energy device has a power source and I do not understand how such a small voltage array of solar cels coud resonate and supply power.......I'm not so sure I can sell it on eBay now without some extensive blind testing of my own. Thank you very much for the time and info,
B.P.

You have it exactly right.
There is no power supply inside the box.
You don't want to sell it on ebay or to anyone else when you cannot get it to work.
If you sell it, you can expect your customer will find the same as what you found.

Best wishes,
J_P

[jondoe67]

Thanks again, I tried the line generator and it works, but they are easy to understand.
Thanks for the reply, I am still going to do a test with someone hiding gold and try to find it.........I live on the southern oregon coast, are you close?. If your close, can we meet and test it?.
If it fails I will request a refund....It's been almost a year.....and complain to eBAY, if it doesn't work.
I'm not 100% sure it won't work, if it does, I could sure use the 25k I heard about.....But, since J_P posted the guts of the unit I have, I'm not as "hopeful as my first post". Thanks to you both, I hope we can meet and do a test, thanks,
Brian.

[jondoe67]

It's not an issue, if it doesn't work, I'll ask for a partial (-shipping) refund.
Like I said, I will test it more myself and with someone random, hopefully with the man who lives here in Or. who repplied to the post as well.
If it is a hoax, I'm all for exposng it for what it is.
If it is a bunch of B.S., I will expose it for what it is, by posting as many blogs as possible about the "blind tests" and the product itself.
However, if it goes the other way, I'll post the results as well and start getting rich, lol!, thanks for your info, Brian.

[Qiaozhi]

It's not an issue, if it doesn't work, I'll ask for a partial (-shipping) refund.
Like I said, I will test it more myself and with someone random, hopefully with the man who lives here in Or. who repplied to the post as well.
If it is a hoax, I'm all for exposng it for what it is.
If it is a bunch of B.S., I will expose it for what it is, by posting as many blogs as possible about the "blind tests" and the product itself.
However, if it goes the other way, I'll post the results as well and start getting rich, lol!, thanks for your info, Brian.

Hi Brian,

The Examiner is nothing more than a cheap calculator glued on top of a plastic box, containing some do-nothing electronics and attached to a swinging handle. It is simply a dowsing rod, ans all the other stuff is just window dressing. It would be well worth your time to visit Carl and get some first-hand education on these nonsense devices.

I look forward to your future expose of this B.S.