reply to criticism on geophysics thread

[Clondike Clad]

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth...

Regards

Esteban

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

[Fred]

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Loosing you nerve ?? I did too before, with you...
I like Esteban´s experiments.
Fred.

[hipopp]

reply to Hung rangertell LRL

thank you for the rational reply Hung. I will be the first to admit the ranger has its shortcomings but so has a conventional detector. But i spent all day in 100 degree heat pounding a goldfield with the latest minelab only to dig up a 100 targets which turned out to be nails bullets brass buttons and all sorts of other trash. Totally exhausted and my friend faye does not ever want to go out again. You call that fossicking? not me. I bought the ranger because it was going to allow me to zoom in to a patch of mineralised ground from a distance. Here in australia our outback is so vast that virgin territory still exists. The ranger will allow me to drive and cover say 150 miles a day while detecting the country to the sides of the road up to a few miles either side. Could not ask for anything more than that. I give up with the guys here they are so ultra conservative makes yer sick. After trying the ranger in a magnetic field for you it stopped working properly and i let it rest overnight. Is OK now this morning. Degaussed. But you know what ? the more i mess about with it the more i learn. While picking up my nugget on the floor again here i set it to minimum distance to just pick it up at 6 feet. BUT BUT BUT it still picked up Faye and all her gold jewellry sitting on a chair practising guitar. Messed about more with it and found....that....if you adust to pick up a minimal target distancewise a much larger target will override the distance setting...extremely valuable in the field to tune out trash and false signals. What got me annoyed with the ranger when i bought it was the amount of self discipline needed to learn to use it for your own body. I think most on this site would not be prepared to go to the lengths to try to understand it. Bit more than flicking a switch. Will let you know the results of a field trip i am doing next week. regards....p.s what other technology is available???

[Esteban]

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Not only the coil, this is a way. Another RF sensor is necessary and a few more. But, of course, you, for experience, know that can't be possible. As I use simple oscillator type off-resonance as some meters MD, so I think this White's coil and circuit are betters!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

How deep is this bull going to get!

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too:

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

[Steve in MS]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

[Esteban]

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "charge".

[hung]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

[Esteban]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

Detect with this kind of device requires adjust the pot. sens. control in a point between almost random and stability, so operator must be delicate in this, since if you retire a fraction of milimeter the pot. you'll don't detect small items.

Is not a good idea to show here at eyes of all the world, since at first opportunity many replicate and sell for thousands dollars of euros.

[Esteban]

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

Hung

Just I respond in similar terms!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) , you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

[Fred]

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) , you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions
Regards,
Fred.

When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards

Esteban

It´s true.

Regards,
Fred.