This will change the world

[Clondike Clad]

You are at it again

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You Skeptics claim to be proponents of Science only when it fits your beliefs. Now, I see you are mocking it, without scientific investigation, or verification. What a bunch of hypocrites.

What about the glue and hanger you are selling?
What a scam and how do it works again?
Who is the man in your avartar it is not you?
Snake oil is SNAKE OIL.
PLEASE SHOW US YOUR SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION ON WHY YOUR WIRE AND GLUE WORKS( YOU MAY HAVE STOP USING THE GLUE?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT 60/40 IS OR DO YOU USE SILVER .
WHAT DO YOU USE A 27W OR THE BIG 100 WATTER( LET ME THINK I'LL BET THE 100 WATT MONSTER.)

[Dell Winders]

Dell, just for the sake of discussion, how big does a piece of silver or gold have to be for one of your LRL's to pick it up?
Also, does it only get a signal on gold or silver if it is on top of the ground or can it be under the ground, and how far under the ground can it pick up an item?
What is the success rate when one uses one of your devices, gets a postive reading in an approximate percentage? I realize your answer to this would vary from person to person, just a rough guestimate will be ok.
How do your devices only pick up gold or silver and not aluminum, copper, iron, tin or underground water streams, water pipes, minerals, etc?
Do your devices give a better response the closer it gets to an object, say,
30 ft, 1 yard and a few inches away?
How much of the success of using one of your devices depend on the metaphysical or the paranormal aspect?
These questions are more or less a curiosity for me and a chance for you to inform us.

Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Hmmmm...
It looks like there is some difference in opinion about who is right and who is wrong here. So how can we know who to believe knows what is correct about these contraptions that supposedly find treasure?

Let's consider the sources of information we are hearing. I must ask myself a few questions about the background of these people before deciding who to believe. For example:

Who studied science, math, electronics and engineering for years to become knowledgeable in state of the art technical methods?

Who did not make it into college level education?

Who knows how to determine the difference between fake BS fairy-tale stories and the real deal by using scientific methods?

Who loves fairy-tales, fantastic movies and fiction novels, and tries to make these fairy-tales come true in their own lives?

Who is careful to report actual observations and draw conclusions based on principles of logic without introducing unprovable theories that can't be explained?

Who considers a coincidental event to be proof for a new theory of unknown science that only they can make work... and two or three coincidental events become absolute proof of the new theory, so it is no longer a theory, but a law of the new unknown science, even in the face of millions of contrary events that would prove the new theory false by statistical methods?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected educational institutions that certify they are competent in the latest technology?

Who has collected certificates from highly respected municipal and legal institutions which claim they have defrauded someone or a class of people?


Well, If I can determine the answers to these questions, then maybe I will have a clue of who to believe.

Best wishes,
J_P

JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Fred]

Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here.

Dell, i disagree: if you were answering simply and honestly to the questions posted here, the atmospher would not be what it is.As is said before, you are not very positive in your arguments.If i had discovered that Lrods (for example) are working, i would be here to explain precisely how i found this, under what circumstances, and how i can prove it.

[putrechigi]

hi

JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

hi dell i haven't 10000$ but many many point where tested your lrl if yiou want to came in italy i whait you everytime serious

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here.

Dell, i disagree: if you were answering simply and honestly to the questions posted here, the atmospher would not be what it is.As is said before, you are not very positive in your arguments.If i had discovered that Lrods (for example) are working, i would be here to explain precisely how i found this, under what circumstances, and how i can prove it.

Fred, you only have look back at the archives to see the skeptics attitude and bashing of LRL users, or Dowsers.

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.

This is a Skeptic's forum, for Skeptics, where ridicule and mocking of LRL users, or Dowsers is encouraged by the webmaster. These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell

[Dell Winders]

hi dell i haven't 10000$ but many many point where tested your lrl if yiou want to came in italy i whait you everytime serious

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

[Max]

Fred, you only have look back at the archives to see the skeptics attitude and bashing of LRL users, or Dowsers.

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.

This is a Skeptic's forum, for Skeptics, where ridicule and mocking of LRL users, or Dowsers is encouraged by the webmaster. These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell

just cause you're funny ! As all the other stoned here...

It's skeptic forum ? No... it's skeptic ring... and anytime you jump in you'll lose cause cannot provide anything good apart hot melt joints... that you say you never made etc etc ...

Kind of Willy Wonka's Oompa-Loompas : you don't mess with hot glue guns ... you have some Oompa-Loompas that do it for you !

So, instead of melting chocolate for you , as with Wonka, they melt the glue... I see!

But is unfair you'll not print too the golden tickets ...and show to some fortunate guys here your dream "factory"...

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

I've tried to share information here in the past, Knowledgeable people like Hung, have tried to share their experience, Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, Michael, has tried to share his LRL experience. Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.

Except Esteban,i have seen no one here to really share anything, just claiming this and that,( usually amazings things), but not the smallest part of an evidence ,not even the attempt to give one.
Why none of them have done that? How to you expect somebody believing others claims just like that?
How do this sounds to you :
"hey, i have built a machine,(a few leds and pots),if you are mentally prepared you can see people in the street naked.By adjusting this pot you can tune it to work only with women (for men on request).Only a few hundreds of dollars,if it doesn´t work with you it´s your fault,full stomach, iron blood or skeptical mind, but it works, i´m telling you!"

[Qiaozhi]

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either.

You forgot about fictitious avatars.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

Same old rhetoric. It's a pity you don't read the words more carefully, and follow your own advice.

... Knowledgeable people like Hung, ...

Now you're just being silly...

Estaban has tried very hard to share information, and experience, ...

Actually, I respect Esteban because he has the correct attitude. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but he is a genuine (maybe misguided) experimenter. Yes - he does come up with some strange stuff, and at times this can be amusing. However, I welcome his presence here.

These people make a life style of being closed minded, and prejudice to any thing they can't comprehend. Dell

That's why you have such a bad experience whenever you post on this forum. It's because our comprehension of dowsing and LRL quackery is actually quite good. Unfortunately, years of closing your mind to the real scientific world, has left you self-deluded and incapable of seeing the truth. I appears that you now really believe your own marketing BS.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!"

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
... Knowledgeable people like Hung,
Now you're just being silly...

Envy is the worst of all evils...

Actually, I respect Esteban because he has the correct attitude. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but he is a genuine (maybe misguided) experimenter.

Oh I see.. Misguided by 'brickheads' such as yourself?

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!

If you don't raise your butt from your armchair and study, you will always be the comic character skeptic here.
A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..

Dell, advice 2:

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.

That old saying: 'Don't throw pearls to the pigs', come in handy here.
Good luck.

[gwzd]

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

Isn't your business profitable?
Regards
R.A.

[Dell Winders]

We seem to agree that Dowsing, is meta-physical. Dell

Why in the world would I agree to that? Science has very thoroughly explained dowsing; it is not "beyond physics" whatsoever.

Carl, is that a fact, or is this more of your scientific pretense?

If true, Then perhaps you will scientifically explain the physics that I employed when I Dowsed a topo map spanning thousands of acres of rugged Arizona wilderness, for a specific target?

This target was Dowsed as being a man made marking, or marker from my home 3,000 miles away, and then found on site, within a few feet of where I plotted it to be.

Please scientifically explain the physics that I employed when I Dowsed another man made Marker, and the direction it was pointing on a Google Earth aerial photo of a 113 acre farm in Kentucky, from my home 700 miles away. Although the property had been in the family for nearly a century, the owner was never aware the marker existed until I went there, we walked to the Dowsed location, removed the leaves concealing it, and revealed the marker as described with Dowsing.

What are the physics related to my dowsing for tunnels, and caves, on photos and maps, from a thousand miles away, and finding those caves on site, and excavating to find those tunnels at the locations they were Dowsed to be.

I have experienced similar results at quite a number of map & photo Dowsed sites, which distance and lack of conscious awareness eliminates any prospect of chance guessing the description and location, or coincidence, but I never knew there was a Scientific explanation of the physics involved. So Carl, please tell me the Physics I am incorporating that allows me to do this? I really would like to know?

I have always been told, there is no known Scientific explanation for my learned Dowsing ability, and that it falls into the realm of meta-Physics? But, you say, that is not true? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Envy is the worst of all evils...

This gets funnier every day!

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!

As I said - this gets funnier every day!
We really don't care to know the details of your modified LRL contraption.. You lost credibility a long time ago, when you claimed the Ranger Tell actually does more than wallet mining.

A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..

That would make a brilliant title for your autobiography. Let me know when it's in the shops.

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.

Yet again, I can agree with the first part of your statement. The rest ... well, you know how it goes.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!"

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

Isn't your business profitable?
Regards
R.A.

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell