Mineoro Tyon

[joecoin]

Hung lives in a glass house, and he does not throw stones.

[hung]

Why didn't the detector pick up:

1. The copper wiring inside the walls of the house
2. The water pipes inside the walls of the house
3. The electric fixtures
4. The refrigerator
5. The oven
6. The eating utensils (ie. silverware)
7. All the other metal items commonly found inside the house plus
those you may have been wearing or in your pockets

Something is fishy here Hung.

Hi Rudy,

If you read my post with careful attention you will know this is a gold detector only, not supposed to detect other metals.
Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. In the case of gold, the ionic chamber inside the device 'selects' this particular metal from long distance.
Up to the FG80, fresh gold detection was not possible. The FG80 is able to detect fresh items but the weather and proper conditions have to be met, such as low humidity, etc. The Tayon is an evolution, being more powerful and stable, being able to detect the gold items with a relative high humidity. Also as you notice in my post, aluminum for instance was deteted but from a very short distance, which means it is being filtered out.

So this answers your queries on why other metals were not detected and also the person who conducted the tests did this I believe in a room so no chance it would detect a refrigerator as this is not an item the device was made to detect as I said.

Anyway, his latest report to me had some not so good results in some aspects which I will detail here later.

Regards.

[Theseus]

Hi Rudy,

Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. ....

Regards.

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

[hung]

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:

http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

[Esteban]

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

Hi, yes this creates an small electric field measurable with simple microamp. Difference is remarcable in comparisson portion of terrain without this buried for long time good conductive metals.

[Theseus]

Hi, yes this creates an small electric field measurable with simple microamp. Difference is remarcable in comparisson portion of terrain without this buried for long time good conductive metals.

A microamp meter measures a tiny flow of electricity between two entities of different potential. The meter must be in contact with both of these entities before the measurement would be shown, or made obvious.

A small electric field is something completely different, and would be measured with different instrumentation.

Atmospheric electric fields have been measured for decades by electric field meters dubbed “field mills”. Traditional field mills employ a spinning metal rotor (vane) electrically connected to Earth ground potential. The grounded spinning rotor alternately shields and exposes sense electrodes from the electric field to be measured, resulting in a modulation of induced electrical charge. Charge amplifiers convert the modulated charge into voltages that are proportional to the low-frequency £ electric field.

[Fred]

Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s .

[modaljar]

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:

http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

[Theseus]

Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s .

Do ya 'spose.

At least neither of the methods I mentioned involve a calculator glued to a swivel handle, or a paint roller handle, which when used indicates the presence of gravity, gentle breezes and the ideomotor effect.

[hung]

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

If your assumption was correct, I also would have done 'propaganda' for Rangertell, Deepers, Electroscope, etc. in the past.

I have no conection to either one of them. I just describe my experiences and know the devices work.

Regarding the 08MI, I can't help you. There are other members in this forum that state the opposite and report how good it is.

Your statement reminds some that are found in regular MD forums claiming their Minelab, Garret or whatever is also a 'piece of junk' and how regret they were in not buying the competitor's model...

[Rudy]

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:

http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

It is not an award given for a working product though. It is awarded for promoting exports from Brazil.

[J_Player]

A small electric field is something completely different, and would be measured with different instrumentation.

Atmospheric electric fields have been measured for decades by electric field meters dubbed “field mills”. Traditional field mills employ a spinning metal rotor (vane) electrically connected to Earth ground potential. The grounded spinning rotor alternately shields and exposes sense electrodes from the electric field to be measured, resulting in a modulation of induced electrical charge. Charge amplifiers convert the modulated charge into voltages that are proportional to the low-frequency £ electric field.

Theseus,

It looks like you just gave the recipe for the next generation of electronic LRL´s .

Field Mills? Spinning metal rotor to sense electric fields?
Hmmmm... Now lemme see... The last innovation was a calculator stuck to a swivel handle....
And this spinning rotor may be the next generation of LRLs?
I wonder..... Is this what the new LRLs will look like?

[Theseus]

Keep checking the Dell Winder's page where he lists his scam dowsing rods (paint roller handles) and soon you might find a beanie with a paint roller handle on it.

Good one, J_P.

[Clondike Clad]

JUNK OR TRASH

You always make propaganda for mineoro , why?
I bought mineoro two box like 08mi because you said some where here in
this forum that it works.
In the field and in real tests I discovered that it's just another peace of
junk as other mineoro products.

It look as if mineoro only works for some people and I am not one of them.
Think about the people who say it works.
SNAKE OIL MEN will say anything to make a sale.
Now if and when a real LRL is made anyone will be able to make it work.
I know from reading many post on this forum that none of the so called LRL will work for me. SO IS IT JUNK OR TRASH.
I WILL CALL THEM ALL AT I SEE IT TRASH,JUNK AND CHIT TO GET YOUR MONEY ,NOW BACK TO LURKING.

[Steve in MS]

It look as if mineoro only works for some people and I am not one of them.
Think about the people who say it works.
SNAKE OIL MEN will say anything to make a sale.
Now if and when a real LRL is made anyone will be able to make it work.
I know from reading many post on this forum that none of the so called LRL will work for me. SO IS IT JUNK OR TRASH.
I WILL CALL THEM ALL AT I SEE IT TRASH,JUNK AND CHIT TO GET YOUR MONEY ,NOW BACK TO LURKING.

What are LRL's supposed to do after all?
Can those who make them state any claims?
Wonder if Consumer Reports could try one out and give a report?