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[Dell Winders]

You are funny! I would lose laughing at your petty complaints and rants. For me laughter is a positive. Dell

[J_Player]

You are funny! I would lose laughing at your petty complaints and rants. For me laughter is a positive. Dell

Hmmm...
Should I take that as a "No, I can't do it"?
Is it true that you can't demonstrate a single one of your machines doing what they are depicted to do on your web page?

Best wishes,
J_P

[joecoin]

You are funny! I would lose laughing at your petty complaints and rants. For me laughter is a positive. Dell

Gee Dell, if you could prove that your devices work, I would buy one, as would many others. Then, since you love laughing so much, you could laugh all the way to the bank.

[Steve in MS]

It takes a great deal of faith to believe Dell's products work, lacking any real evidence to verify their usefulness.
Hmmm, I guess that makes us real bad since we would like to see some kind of proof....
Are we skeptical? You bet, he can't even give a straight answer to straight out questions....oh, I forgot, because this is a "skeptics forum", he's not going to show forth any proof, other than some lame stories from people no one has ever heard of.
His devices can't pass any test, the reason must be because they don't work.

[Qiaozhi]

Why not stage a live demonstration of your X-scan finding hidden dollars just like it is depicted to do on your web page. If you do this only one time in front of skeptic witnesses, then you will instantly end all of the arguments. Skeptics will have proof with their own eyes and video cameras to show all the world. This will prove once and for all that you are right and everyone else was wrong. No more arguments about hearsay and half-truths or fake proof.

I wouldn't hold your breath in anticipation.

Hmmm...
Should I take that as a "No, I can't do it"?
Is it true that you can't demonstrate a single one of your machines doing what they are depicted to do on your web page?

Best wishes,
J_P

We'll take that as a "no" then?

[Theseus]

Hmmm...
Is it true that you can't demonstrate a single one of your machines doing what they are depicted to do on your web page?

Best wishes,
J_P

After this many years of dancing and dodging the simple questions and requests to demonstrate his treasure-finding contraptions... I'd say there is a really good chance that Dell will NEVER allow himself to get backed into that corner. You, and I, and Dell, and others here know he can't demonstrate how his treasure-finding contraptions actually find treasure, because they don't. But his hope is that some new, unsuspecting fool will come along and fall for his line of BS and lies..... and WA-LA; Dell gets to supplement his Social Security with the cash from someone else's wallet.

And, BINGO, his LRL finds treasure exactly once.

[Fred]

I see many guys with no commercial interests claiming that LRL´s don´t work, and i see one guy selling very expensive devices saying they work.
None of them can prove anything.
Wich one(s) should i Believe

, Fred.

[Theseus]

I see many guys with no commercial interests claiming that LRL´s don´t work, and i see one guy selling very expensive devices saying they work.
None of them can prove anything.
Wich one(s) should i Believe

, Fred.

Those skeptical of dowsing and in particular LRLs, LRL/MFD and related contraptions are not required to prove something does not work; rather it is always up to those making the claims (either real or implied) to provide the proof that backs up their advertising, their claims and to justify asking a price that exceeds one Dollar.

However, each individual who is looking for proof, one way or the other, can simply bend up a piece of junk wire (in an L-shape) and prove for themselves if the concept works or not.

What's that you say? You don't have a fancy box of do-nothing electronics to go along with your bent wire? Well, rest assurred that box of do-nothing electronics, or cheap calculator glued onto your bent wire is adding NOTHING to the dowsing response. Nothing! You will get the same results with or without the do-nothing electronic gadget. I guarantee it.

[Clondike Clad]

I am iron man

Your MFD has the ability to detect iron?

Well ok Dell lets detect IRON using carls test.

[Steve in MS]

I see many guys with no commercial interests claiming that LRL´s don´t work, and i see one guy selling very expensive devices saying they work.
None of them can prove anything.
Wich one(s) should i Believe

, Fred.

It would seem to me that LRL users and makers have the burden of proof to provide a repeatable test that they can pass.
As the old saying goes, "if it's too good to be true"...........
Any product that has been on the market and there is no question of its usefulness need not be tested but upon testing, will definitely show forth that it will work within certain perimeters.
Now if using LRL's involves metaphysics or paranormal activity then no test is necessary since such activities are purely subjective and cannot be tested within the realm of us mortals.

[Carl-NC]

Dell, you stated that your claim is that your MFD was used to "detect" iron. Is this true? Because in the past, you've stated that your MFD cannot "detect" gold. So can your MFD "detect" iron?

[J_Player]

Dell, you stated that your claim is that your MFD was used to "detect" iron. Is this true? Because in the past, you've stated that your MFD cannot "detect" gold. So can your MFD "detect" iron?

...Methinks Dell cannot answer this question with yes or no.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

It's a bit of a dilemma for Dell...

If he says his MFD can detect iron, we can test that claim, and it will fail. Because his MFD cannot detect iron.

If he says it cannot detect iron, then his claim that it was used at the Durupinar site to detect iron is false.

But there a way out for Dell...

He can say, "My MFD was used by others in an attempt to detect iron, and they (not me) claim it detected iron." The Truth, but not the Whole Truth.

Still, if Dell wishes to use that event to support his claim that his MFD has done something useful, then that "something" (detecting iron, in this case) should be replicable. It is not because his MFD cannot detect iron. That is objectively testable. The Whole Truth.

All this still does not take into account that it has been shown that the MFD survey results Dell touts were shown, by independent methods, to be bogus. Again, the Whole Truth.

Suppose Minelab or White's or any detector company said, "Our metal detector was used to detect gold nuggets." But it is later found that (a) there really were no gold nuggets that were detected and (b) the detector in question cannot detect gold nuggets at all.

What would people say? Honest, or dishonest?

What if the company responded, "We only claimed our detector was used to detect gold nuggets, not that it actually detected them."

Truth but not Whole Truth.
Honest? Ethical?

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

It's a bit of a dilemma for Dell...

If he says his MFD can detect iron, we can test that claim, and it will fail. Because his MFD cannot detect iron.

If he says it cannot detect iron, then his claim that it was used at the Durupinar site to detect iron is false.

But there a way out for Dell...

He can say, "My MFD was used by others in an attempt to detect iron, and they (not me) claim it detected iron." The Truth, but not the Whole Truth.

Still, if Dell wishes to use that event to support his claim that his MFD has done something useful, then that "something" (detecting iron, in this case) should be replicable. It is not because his MFD cannot detect iron. That is objectively testable. The Whole Truth.

All this still does not take into account that it has been shown that the MFD survey results Dell touts were shown, by independent methods, to be bogus. Again, the Whole Truth.

Suppose Minelab or White's or any detector company said, "Our metal detector was used to detect gold nuggets." But it is later found that (a) there really were no gold nuggets that were detected and (b) the detector in question cannot detect gold nuggets at all.

What would people say? Honest, or dishonest?

What if the company responded, "We only claimed our detector was used to detect gold nuggets, not that it actually detected them."

Truth but not Whole Truth.
Honest? Ethical?

- Carl

It's not my dilemma, Carl.
You are the one twisting the facts, squirming, pretending to be a Scientist and being sneaky with lieing inference & innuendo, and making authoritave comments about events you know less about than I do. You have been trying to put me out of business and prove your merit at my expense for more than a decade. Did you ever consider the reason that I have loyal customers and the reason I have been in this business for 23 years, despite your worst efforts, is that I am honest & truthful in what I say? I am sure you know that, least you would not making every effort to discredit me, and try to make yourself look good.

Unfortunately, your pretend knowledge of events is half imagined, misinterpreted, and totally fraudulent to try to cover up your years of untruths and dis-information. You will notice, I was posting comments by the users, of my products, before the thread was hijacked, and rudely interrupted. You seem to be disputing customer claims, not mine.

Carl, I'll place my honesty, truth, integrity, and ethics against yours for comparison any day. Dell

[joecoin]

Dell,

Why do you believe you have been singled out to be put out of business and to have someone elses' merit proven at your expense? If your products actually work, then you have nothing to fear. It does make me wonder though, why hasn't anyone accused Minelab, Whites, Garrett or Tesoro of making fradulent claims? Why is there no million dollar challenge to manufacturers of non-LRL locators?