One more to prove the concept

[Fred]

There is nothing that make move the antenna except the user´s movement, so this must be a dowsing rod.

Wrong.

So , what makes it to swingle ?

[joecoin]

Carl's Pseudo Scientific analysis. "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then surely it has to be a duck. Quack! Quack!

Hey Carl, here's a Scientific fact for you, Not all Duck quacks are alike, and not all ducks quack. Dell

So does this mean not all dowsers are quacks? Because it certainly appears that most of them are.

Dear Hung,

I do not find the word "ideomotor" anywhere on
http://www.mp-detections.com/Siteang.../tomdecv4.php4

What do you base this part of your statement on: "...it tends to cancel any ideomotor effect..."?

[Steve in MS]

There are dowsers who can locate a target with the aid of a 'dowsing rod' a 'dowsing pendulum' or no tool at all. Just his mind.

The RT, TOMDEC, Electroscope, etc. and etc. have nothing to do with dowsing except for a moving antenna. Nothing else.

Hmmm, it seems they are dowsing because they depend upon a pivot point for them to work and in fact your last statement has the word "except", clearly meaning they have something in common with dowsing(that is they have mechanical parts) and dowsing uses those unseen forces to move the forked stick, much the way these devices do.

......That part about a dowser who uses no tool, "Just his mind".
Clearly this is the way to go, get rid of the pivots and use
"mind over matter"...and just using your mind would be a lot cheaper.

[Clondike Clad]

Sorry, but your inferences are wrong and miserably shows you do not understand AT ALL what dowsing is and its related aspects.

The RT Examiner and the TOMDEC are not dowsing, as some people erroneously think they are.
The explanation at Tomdec's site and even in RT's site are correct.
It's up to you to believe it or not.
But first you need studying on the subject to prevent yourself from saying things as you did in the quote.

Regards.

Funny you should say that????????????????????????????????????????????.
I also took a Looooong look at that box and ......yes I also smell a snake. We are in hard times.
This thing WILL NOT PICK UP A SIGNAL FROM GOLD....THAT IS A FACT.i WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOB(THE BIG BOSS ,OF THE YOU KNOW WHO!) BUY ONE AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

[hung]

So , what makes it to swingle ?

What makes an ordinary compass swing?

'Pull the rope and you will find what's attached on it'.

[hung]

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.
Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor.
I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.
The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

[Qiaozhi]

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.

Agreed. If you use it enough times you'll eventually find something. The same as simply guessing.

Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor. I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.

Is this one in the list of excuses why LRLs fail? If not, we should add it. It's a classic!

The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.

More pseudo-scientific gobbledy gook. Total nonsense, made-up gibberish.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.

That's one of the best!
Why don't you mention the temporal flux capacitor while you're at it?

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

No comment...

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

Yes ... too fantastic to be true. Another fairy story.

[hung]

Agreed. If you use it enough times you'll eventually find something. The same as simply guessing.


Is this one in the list of excuses why LRLs fail? If not, we should add it. It's a classic!


More pseudo-scientific gobbledy gook. Total nonsense, made-up gibberish.


That's one of the best!
Why don't you mention the temporal flux capacitor while you're at it?


No comment...


Yes ... too fantastic to be true. Another fairy story.

Uhh... And with this amount of 'knowledge' still you were unable to build a working PD...

[Qiaozhi]

Uhh... And with this amount of 'knowledge' still you were unable to build a working PD...

Umm ... perhaps there's another reason. If you think hard enough you might find the answer.

[Theseus]

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Isn't the ideomotor effect a wonderful thing? If it is not the most compelling and confusing of all unconscious human motor responses; then it would have to be a close second to whatever is first.

Hung, don't feel bad about being taken in by the ideomotor effect. Many individuals, including some Patent attorneys, have fallen victim to it. Of course most rational folks, when shown what is really going on, will intuitively understand the concept - and the error in their thinking. Of course there are always exceptions to someone having basic understanding....

[Steve in MS]

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

Could it be possible that there is precious metal underground anywhere one steps, though it might be 80' or miles underground?
These LRLs should receive signals everywhere.

[Clondike Clad]

my examiner

Clondike, I know you own an examiner and appears you had not sucess with it.
I don't know the regularity you use it in the field, how you use it, etc. which might explain you unsuccess.
Fact is that it apparently did not work for you.
I understand and this is highly possible. I already said in the past, that the way it was built is not the most appropriate one as the swivel mechanism tends to emit false indications by the slight hand movement or a self imposing ideomotor.
I mean, if you try to 'guess' where the target is for instance.
The best aproach would be buliding a 'no swivel', still antenna and having laser LEDs and an apropriate circuit to sub for the swivel. But this is a little hard as the examiner deals with extremely small, micro currents and also I'm sure this would completely change the concept of magnetically aligning to the signal lines.

Many friends tried my original examiner and some could not make it to work. There were a couple of them who could not make the antenna even swing.
I also noticed that using it in the right hand is a must due to charge flux related to the heart blood flux.

I for myself cannot dowse. The rods are difficult for me. But for some reason I had not problems with the examiner and it worked for me from the start.

Some months ago I received a report from a dowser who had bought the examiner months earlier and also noticed that the thing is not dowsing. He said that he got a signal and by entering the parameters, he acknowledged the target's distance and also the target being silver coins.
To make a story short, he placed some coordinates in his GPS and drove his car to the supposed target's location (which was miles away).
He found several silver coins inside a glass jar buried only 4 feet where he had previously estimated with his examiner.

Pretty fantastic, eh?

I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?

[Qiaozhi]

I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?

Make sure you're holding it in your right hand. Otherwise there will be a buildup of charge flux due to the heart pumping blood round your body.

Excuse #36.

[hung]

Could it be possible that there is precious metal underground anywhere one steps, though it might be 80' or miles underground?
These LRLs should receive signals everywhere.

Sorry, I meant the target was found 4 feet away from where he had previously estimated with the RT.

[hung]

I am still working with it.
any new info on using it?
At this time I still can't get it to do anything?

What do you mean by 'still can't get it to do anything'?
You mean the antenna does not move in your case or you still could not find anything with it?
Please detail.

The old RT frequencies (more than 3 years old) had problems, but I believe the new ones are way better. Being a customer you can get the upgraded frequencies from them.
I use my own researched frequencies but these I can't release sorry. They are also used in our powerful LRL System.
However I already tested RT's new ones with sucess.

There's a simple test I have done that proved the device was calibrated and working fine that you could also perform. This worked for me, so this should also work for you.

Randomly enter a local FM station frequency in the calculator (millions of hertz) that you don't know where it's located. Do this say 3 times with 3 different stations.
Enter your particular routine (if any) that you use to detect an ordinary target. Adjust the knob for best swing of the antenna. Use always your right hand. I'm left handed and if I use it in my left hand the antenna turns sluggish or simply don't move. I learned to use it in my right hand, and today is so natural and automatic.

The examiner antenna will align to the direction of those FM station antennas and you can confirm later if the directions were correct.
I did this test and it worked fine. In my case, there are 2 stations which I later confirmed that are located in the same line span, being one to the right and the other to the left. The examiner clearly pointed and distinguished both of them.

For this test, you don't need samples that you know where they are placed and also you don't need to go in the field to locate something buried that you could have a hard time to pinpoint it.
This simple test will show you the examiner concept working.

This test worked for me. I hope it works for you.

Best regards.