One more to prove the concept

[Theseus]

With the PDC 205 that you (meaning Carl) said did not work, an ex-member of my team found several colonial era gold coins which allowed him to open a restaurant.

Yet another anecdotal accounting. Seems there is a never-ending supply.

IF... in fact that actually happened, then it is also a fact those same coins would have been found by pure chance, and the aid of a bent coat hanger.

What other conventional instrumentation and/or research methods were utilized in the recovery? LRLers are really good at melding their dowsing gadgets with all sorts of other locating tools and the like, but when it comes to "telling the story"; full credit is given to the dowsing gadget, and there is no mention of the other tools and/or research that actually contributed to the end result.

Not at all unlike the habitual gambler, who loves to tell his friends about all the times he/she was a winner, but conveniently never says a word about the required losses prior to and after the win streak.

[Theseus]

Delusional Fits Nicely

Thanks for the reference, Carl. I hadn't noticed what a perfect fit it is and how exactly it describes the devote practitioners.

From the same reference:
"the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:

• certainty (held with absolute conviction)
• incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
• impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)"

That explains the practitioners, but what about those who are not outwardly deluded (ie. Vincent Blanes / Ranger) but pray on the delusional?

The best label I can think of for them is simply, Wallet-miner.

Or, is there a better one?

[J_Player]

No no no! I don't claim for a minute that Hung is lying, and I don't think he is. Rather, he is delusional about his experience with LRLs, and in denial about any information counter to his beliefs. This is a better fit:

Well, then this explains it!
hung is not a liar. He is deluded, and actually believes his LRLs work. Any lies he tells about the details are things he cannot help, and unaware of doing, because he is blinded into maintaining his delusions about LRLs working.

Fer instance, If hung says he found a fabulous treasure with an LRL, but he can't recover it because it is too dangerous, then there is no lie, because there is no way to prove the treasure was found or not.

Or if hung says he did not post particular words that can be read under a posting with his name on it, he is not lieing. He is simply deluded into believing he does not see his words written in the forum.

I think this behavior falls under the definition of psychosis (loss of contact with reality). But psychosis seems only a side effect of the delusion, and a necessary mental condition needed to support the delusion of having a calculator that finds treasure.

So the bottom line is that hung is not a liar. He is an ok guy who is simply deluded, and makes involuntary false statements which he believes are true, regardless of the obvious preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

Now I feel much better about ignorant fools spending money on junk that does not work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I'm done with these guys here.

This is clearly an untruth, as you have already posted twice more since making this statement.

... and (3) they are also using other tools that Really Work.

A very similar thing occurs with homeopathic medicines. Someone goes to the doctor and is prescribed some medicine, but after a few days of still not feeling good, they decide to take some alternative medication. Miraculously they start to get better ... just at the point where the conventional medicine is beginning to have an effect. This is certainly ok, if it makes you feel good. BUT - the danger is that next time, they will dispense with going to the doctor all together, and only use the alternative stuff. So the alternative/homeopathic medicine erroneously gets the credit.

The same thing happens with dowsing and LRLs. The dowsing contraption "leads" you to a certain area (that unconsciously looks a good place to metal detect) and you then switch to a conventional metal detector. Guess which device gets the credit for detecting the treasure from several miles away?

Wake up Hung before it's too late and you end up like Dell. Repeat out loud each night 10 times before going to bed: "It's a trick of the mind."

[Fred]

Wake up Hung before it's too late and you end up like Dell. Repeat out loud each night 10 times before going to bed: "It's a trick of the mind."

Hung doesn´t WANT to wake up, he feels good in his dream and sustend it with stories (i will avoid the world lies ).
If he wakes up his whole world will collapse.And no much will be left i am afraid.
Unless...he will PROVE that LRL works.

[Steve in MS]

I don't think Carl or Hung is lying, it is a difference of opinion and I don't think Carl has a personal grudge against LRLs, he simply doesn't think they work.
Since there is no tests of LRL's to show they work, most of us don't think they work either.
It is really hard for me to believe that a passive device with a pivot point will react to far away metals, I enjoy science fiction movies but I know it isn't for real.

[hung]

What's really amazing, is how all the expert LRL users I've encountered also can't make an LRL work when I'm watching! They fail just as consistently as I do. Must be those SkepticWaves I emit!

- Carl

I have to admit... You're a skeptic but you have a lot of sense of humour in a clever way. I like that. You're a funny dude.

Good night Carl & 'entourage'.

[Rangertell]

Really, Carl. That's not important. A thousand Paypal buyers might also think that.
But the constructor of the unit is G. Brooker in all 1000 cases.
Viblertek is co-developer/distributor.

Or do you refer to Rolls-Royce as Royce?
Not many do, unless someone is telling them fibrications.

It's simple Inventors Rights. You think V. Blanes is the maker, so be it.
I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

You wouldn't like it and wouldn't lay claim by name to anything that wasn't yours if you had scruples.

Not once has there been a post by a V. Blanes re these units. I dare you to produce same.

Imagine this scenario:

G. Brooker invents an LRL unit. V. Blanes co-develops it and writes anon as forum person. He can't though give his name because he hasn't the majority ownership, being co-developer/distributor. Viblertek doesn't allow any rep to give their names. He also would not silly enough to draw the obviously malicious claims of the alien skeptics by telling them.

Then along comes Carl who has an aversion to LRLs, fuelled by Sam, the notorious anti-LRL person, also writing complete and monstrous absurdities.

"This LRL , which I abhor and hate like all other LRLs, cannot possibly work. Why? There are thousands of users and 144/144 positive, time-sequence satisfying Ebay feedbacks (retractions being impossible) and more pics and testimonials than any other maker. V. Blanes the maker (a scientist , not the maker) who has a habit of not using his name, has been manufacturing this glued monstrosity ( a one-off experimental) and they just don't work. It's dowsing (despite perfect evidence to contrary on his website). You could do the same with wires (which would cost you a 1000 bucks just to properly find water.) Imagine charging 700 dollars. It's a ripoff ( despite this being 10 times cheaper than all other LRLs, and with more features and perfect track record.)"

There's no point in arguing and that's why the 2002-05 forums were all this little black duck thought it was worth.

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.

[Rangertell]

Reply To Clondike Clad

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangertell
Hi Clondike


Rangertell here. We will replace your Examiner on your sending it back to us.


RTL&ES
Is it going to cost me to get a replacment?
Also my rt will move but only if i make it move.
How long wil it take to get a replacment?
I would like to get the replacment first and i will send my old unit .
I will keep working with it until I get the new one.
Do you have more way s of test that I can do?

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Answered respectively:

In this case it will only cost you the postage.
It's gone.
Seven to 10 days from RT receiving your current unit.
Like ebay we can't do that but I will see.
It works then to some extent?
Tech support is free.

This forum is different to others I have used. For one I can't find the Reply button on the posts. It appears to be appended.

RTL&ES

[J_Player]

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.

Hi Rangertell,
I am a skeptic about the operation of most long range locators. The reason I am skeptical is because I have never seen anyone demonstrate an LRL working live in front of me. And I also see every person who has been asked to give a live demonstration does not do so. This makes me think they probably don't work.

However, If I could see it demonstrated in front of me, and the demonstrator showed me how to make the LRL work for me as well, then I would become convinced that it works. In fact, I have made several offers to videotape LRLs working in known treasure-bearing areas where I live for all the world to see, but have had no takers. I also have offered to make a professional web page showing videos of the event and with links to all the major treasure forums. Since nobody is willing to make a demonstration, I must assume their LRLs don't work.

My question is:
Does the Rangertell company have an agent who is willing to demonstrate the Rangertell examiner finding treasure in my area (Southern California), and show me how to make the device work for me?
If so, please reply in the PM section.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

So the bottom line is that hung is not a liar. He is an ok guy who is simply deluded, and makes involuntary false statements which he believes are true, regardless of the obvious preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

Most of the people I've met over the years who are devout dL'ers have been really nice folks, they just believe something that is not real. I'll bet Hung is a good guy as well; while we disagree about LRLs and vigorously debate them here, we might very well get along just fine in person.

When bogus claims are the result of honest self-deception, I don't hold it personally against the individual. That would be as silly as hating someone for their religious beliefs. But, of course, there are some folks who are in the LRL game for profit, and make claims they know to be bogus for the purpose of defrauding people. I have no problem going after them and exposing them for what they are.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

Claim what you like. I put my real name on all my works and stand behind them 100%. And I am willing to personally defend those works.

Are you willing to stand behind your products, in person? You may have to before long. Pay close attention to the Finders forum (an Aussie group), your name has come up there a few times. Some of the blokes are considering a stop in Lavington to pay you a visit, and see if your products stand up to their scrutiny. You may want to be elsewhere.

- Carl

[Rangertell]

I already know your name is Vincent Blanes. I even have your phone number from a customer, that matches the entry for Blanes. And one of the Examiners I own, had your home address on the box. And you initially registered your web site under your real name. Oops, better be more careful with the ol' secret identity!

Really, Carl. That's not important. A thousand Paypal buyers might also think that.
But the constructor of the unit is G. Brooker in all 1000 cases.
Viblertek is co-developer/distributor.

Or do you refer to Rolls-Royce as Royce?
Not many do, unless someone is telling them fibrications.

It's simple Inventors Rights. You think V. Blanes is the maker, so be it.
I guess you wouldn't like it if I Anon, by choice not personality, insisted that Sam wrote and also edited your anti-LRL work to flood the world with disinformation.

You wouldn't like it and wouldn't lay claim by name to anything that wasn't yours if you had scruples.

Not once has there been a post by a V. Blanes re these units. I dare you to produce same.

Imagine this scenario:

G. Brooker invents an LRL unit. V. Blanes co-develops it and writes anon as forum person. He can't though give his name because he hasn't the majority ownership, being co-developer/distributor. Viblertek doesn't allow any rep to give their names. He also would not silly enough to draw the obviously malicious claims of the alien skeptics by telling them.

Then along comes Carl who has an aversion to LRLs, fuelled by Sam, the notorious anti-LRL person, also writing complete and monstrous absurdities.

"This LRL , which I abhor and hate like all other LRLs, cannot possibly work. Why? There are thousands of users and 144/144 positive, time-sequence satisfying Ebay feedbacks (retractions being impossible) and more pics and testimonials than any other maker. V. Blanes the maker (a scientist , not the maker) who has a habit of not using his name, has been manufacturing this glued monstrosity ( a one-off experimental) and they just don't work. It's dowsing (despite perfect evidence to contrary on his website). You could do the same with wires (which would cost you a 1000 bucks just to properly find water.) Imagine charging 700 dollars. It's a ripoff ( despite this being 10 times cheaper than all other LRLs, and with more features and perfect track record.)"

There's no point in arguing and that's why the 2002-05 forums were all this little black duck thought it was worth.

Enough said and no further comment should be ascribed or expected re a very simple event viz an LRL succeeds and the skeptics will not get their facts right.

RTL&ES

[Rangertell]

Claim what you like. I put my real name on all my works and stand behind them 100%. And I am willing to personally defend those works.

Are you willing to stand behind your products, in person? You may have to before long. Pay close attention to the Finders forum (an Aussie group), your name has come up there a few times. Some of the blokes are considering a stop in Lavington to pay you a visit, and see if your products stand up to their scrutiny. You may want to be elsewhere.

- Carl

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Carl, you meathead

You have no choice. They are your products. These are not my products. Please observe the distinction. There are many distributors worldwide. For all you know they may be made in Arkansas by an old prospector's son and shipped here as the need arises.

This is the internet, not a telephone in downtown Missouri. Suffer me.

Finders, the store, was closed in odd circumstances. Greed on the part of others occurred to me. The store no longer exists. It was only your insincerity that caused a few posts to appear there because the guy had no other source. He just pointed them to your illegal report when someone asked about LRLs. I suspected you in alias form or Sam added a few strategically placed posts to create an impression. You Carl are the problem here with your defamatory **((#&&*^ ...and the rest! Sam is probably feeding you lies because he's stridently unpopular.

If you see something with your own eyes, are you going to quibble? Every Water Board van in the US has a pair of L rods in the back. It's a pipe and cable locators' stock in trade. But what we are dealing with here is much further down the track than dowsing. It's frequency driven, user-independent use of a machine.

Threatening and offensive posts are only adding weight to the possibility you alone , not just Sam, have been offending LRL people for years now using aliases. Very similar to various posts round the place designed to intimidate. I though suspect you are not like this unabetted.

If anyone wanted a demo they would contact rangertell.com and arrange one. I'm sure Mr. Brooker wouldn't mind, having done scores since 2002. One chap recently had it for two months after a demo, and received a refund because his body was a rare one in that his right and left were of equal polarity. All the others afaik were happy with what they saw. Not everyone though can use LRLs without personal help and in rare cases it can take a while. That's why any intending user is welcome.

Whatever makes you think Rangertell is not going to demo their product, it being part of their business acumen?

RTL&ES

[Leto]

"lucky" hole

And don't get me wrong, I do not deny that people who use LRLs never ever find anything. Occasionally (though rarely), they do. So do people who randomly dig holes*.

* There are numerous documented finds made by construction crews. The sum total of all these random recoveries likely exceeds the sum total of all LRL recoveries.

How true.
Do not forget that LRL proponents (as other T-hunters) do not dig randomly but usually in known historical sites and places.
Single rescue excavation of 100m2 site can yield more than 100 bronze small finds... Not to mention that almost all of those finds are out of reach for MDs from topsoil ... just too long-ranged.