One more to prove the concept

[Clondike Clad]

testing

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CC


The number of people who can't is very small. If people you know can't get it to work then the Examiner you have is not working. They need to tune it to work for them each time.

RTL&ES

Where do I take mesurment on my arms?
I has access to a lab, and can be tested, Pm me on how to do this thanks.

[Theseus]

Yes. I'm trough[sic] with my RT expanations[sic] and I did not post anything anymore about it after I said I wouldn't. My intention was only help CC.

Ohhhhhhhh... I see. Your previous posting sounded rather all encompassing and final. I quote: "I'm done with these guys here."

Thanks for the clarification. Besides, this place is the most popular and hottest LRL/Dowsing forum on the Internet right now. It's a little like Lay's Potato Chips - you can't eat just one.

Over the years I've come to understand one very important attribute of all dowsing (LRL) proponents and practitioners; that is they apparently derive far more enjoyment and satisfaction from debating their "belief systems and craft", than they ever do from actually doing what they preach.

BTW, when exactly does the "debunkering of the big mouths" begin? I've been watching for it, but not seen anything yet that resembles "debunkering"

ps: Happy Birthday - don't eat too much cake and ice cream, it could throw off the polarity between your right and left hands.

[Qiaozhi]

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No. It's RT's. There is a difference.

I don't understand your reply. What are you trying to say?

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email.

RTL&ES

How do you think this voltage is being generated, and what relevance does it have for treasure hunting?
Please elucidate us.

[Qiaozhi]

It's a totally serious concern that I'm glad some people perceive as a perfect scientific gift.

Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed.

[Theseus]

Where do I take mesurment on my arms?
I has access to a lab, and can be tested, Pm me on how to do this thanks.

Locate a digital volt meter. Put the range selector at the lowest (millivolt) range. Plug test leads into the meter and grasp the bare tips of the test leads (one for each hand) between your thumb and forefinger. If there is an indication of some kind, regardless of polarity --you are good to go, and there is nothing wrong with "you".

The excuse that an operator may not carry enough of a body charge or the wrong polarity is such a very old and tired excuse. Claude Cochran and Carl Anderson were using this same lame excuse over 30 years ago. Is it any wonder that Vincent Blanes would have adopted it and is still using it today. It was a ruse and a cop out decades ago, and it still is today. Surprising? No. Vincent Blanes hasn't had an original idea yet, and it's a little late in the game to start with brand new innovations.

The idea of disguising a regular dowsing wand with attached do-nothing electronic gadgets is hardly new and innovative. That snake oil trick has been around for a very long time; and for good reason, because there is still a very small number of folks that can be taken in by it.

[Carl-NC]

Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed.

Mr. Blanes has the gift of incomprehensible writing, which is quite useful when you are trying to avoid providing real answers. It's as if the only reason that inexperience can be justified as a tool for lack of compatibility with a product that was hailed a qualifier in performance with the demise of suitable results, and then some.

Ouch, that one hurt.

[Steve in MS]

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No. It's RT's. There is a difference.

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email.

RTL&ES

What is this "Not available to questions except via email"?
Being this is a "unfriendly" forum to LRL salesmen or a skeptics forum, what a good opportunity not only to educate us skeptics but the rest of the world about how your product works.....unless you have something to hide
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Let's get a test setup for this Ranger, put it under cameras for the whole world to see how it works, I can bet you one thing, if there were questions about a Whites detector, it would be shown under given perimeters to be able to detect metals.

[J_Player]

Electrical charge. Millivolts passing through left and right arms.

Not available to answer questions except via email.
RTL&ES

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi
How do you think this voltage is being generated, and what relevance does it have for treasure hunting?
Please elucidate us.

I can recall something about millivolts and hands associated with the Ranger Tell Examiner. I once read a report made by a Ranger Tell user on the Ranger Tell Website where the user said he believes it is necessary for the user (operator) to hold the Ranger Tell in his hand because his body completes a circuit between the Ranger Tell and the ground.

My first thought was that if his statement was correct, then he is collecting the atmospheric charge from the atmosphere in the manner of a lightning rod, but without the lightning. Thus, any small variance in the atmospheric charge in the vicinity of the Ranger Tell antenna would have a path to ground through the operator's body. I imagined that on an average day, we would see some fraction of a microamp of atmospheric current leaking to ground through a person's body, which could vary greatly depending on the weather, humidity, etc.

As we recall, hung looked to the Rangertell web site to find an alternative way to connect a DMM to the Ranger Tell without opening the enclosure. The method he used included handling the probes with his hands while trying to read the millivolts on the Rangertell. The meter error may well have included readings of some of the atmospheric charge in the air trying to leak to ground as well as other man-made electrical interferences.

But now we hear the explanation that there is are millivolts passing through the right and left arms. I suppose millivolts don't really pass anywhere, since they are simply a voltage potential. Perhaps Rangertell meant to say that microamps pass through the right and left arms as indicated by a different millivolt potential in either arm. If this is his meaning, then we can conclude that his belief is that different people have varying abilities to pass current (or charge) through their bodies when measured through the right and left arm. In other words, The human organism is able to generate either a charge or a resistance that will help or hinder the movement of atmospheric charge that can flow through his right or left arm to ground.

I suppose when you set a DMM to the millivolt scale and connect the leads between your arm and a Ranger Tell, you will have perfect evidence of the millivolt variations, which will even vary more as ojects are moved around the operator with the meter connected to his hands. I would also expect to see more variations as the meter leads swing through the air from their dangling position, moving to and fro from the operator's body.

At this point, my discussion of millivolts and microamps enters the abyss of speculation, as neither Rangertell or I have shown any substance to suppoort the following theoretical possibilities.
1. The small amount of charge which flows through all things on the surface of the earth will tend to favour easy paths to ground, including pointed conductors, and any conductor as opposed to an insulator. Thus a person holding a Ranger Tell would appear to be a favourable path when compared to a plastic pipe the same height from the ground. But when we consider the varying polarities of people as explained by Rangertell, some people will have more favourable characteristics than others. Only a few rare exceptions will be people who block this movement of charge.
2. Since it has been stated that the Ranger Tell must be calibrated to the person, this would further indicate that each person is seen differently by the Ranger Tell apparatus.
3. The calculator buttons, while not physically capable of changing the frequency of the clock or strobes inside the calculator, must somehow identify and discriminate the target material. (This is a strange one to understand). In addition, any power that is broadcast from the calculator will find it's strongest transients in the area of the display drivers, which are still extremely small in RF broadcast terms. If these transients were to be broadcast, then they would need perhaps an RF power stage and a way to couple the power output to an antenna, which does not seem to exist in the Ranger Tell. Perhaps micro-transients from the display drivers are being sensed by the operator, and further influencing the charge passing through his right arm?

I s'pose it's time to stop speculating. The theoretical possibilities of how it works are endless.

Best wishes,
J_P

[joecoin]

Locate a digital volt meter. Put the range selector at the lowest (millivolt) range. Plug test leads into the meter and grasp the bare tips of the test leads (one for each hand) between your thumb and forefinger. If there is an indication of some kind, regardless of polarity --you are good to go, and there is nothing wrong with "you".

Is that AC or DC? Which hand should I hold the positive lead in? Is this safe, or should I wear full body armor ?

[putrechigi]

Yes. I'm trough with my RT expanations and I did not post anything anymore about it after I said I wouldn't. My intention was only help CC.

Now for the amusement skeptics like you produce, this is priceless. That's why I'm still in geotech after all those years.

Unfortunately I have to leave now as today is my birthday and there's a party waiting for me.

it's incredible today is my birthday too happy birthday hung for me is 35 and you?

[Theseus]

Is that AC or DC? Which hand should I hold the positive lead in? Is this safe, or should I wear full body armor ?

AC or DC??? Doesn't matter, try both.

Which hand for the positive lead? Doesn't matter. The polarity displayed will be whatever minute charge of static electricity you happen to have at the time, and will vary drastically.

Is it safe, or should you wear body armor?

I like someone with a good sense of humor.

[Steve in MS]

Static electricity would always vary, not only person to person but probably with the kind of shoes someone wears and weather conditions.
Maybe hook up the Ranger to a model T spark coil and it is no telling how far it will detect.

[Esteban]

HUNG:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[Esteban]

PUTRECHIGI:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[Rangertell]

Does anybody understand this statement? Because it has me flummoxed.

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Since I have not posted on Carl's forum until now, and this only to arrange a replacement for CC, I was not aware editing was limited to one hour after posting.

I was editing it to "It's a serious concern I'm glad 99% of people perceive as a scientific first." when I received the editing time's up message.

I am not available to answer questions because I am in transit and have only an email mobile not a laptop. Or did you think the smilie was throwing a V sign? Also , the entire question of LRLs has been exhaustively analyzed in forums from 2002-2005. There is no nuance possible that isn't just another bashing of a product or concept by those who haven't seen or used one. You can lead a horse to water, but believe me, from a complete analysis of this skeptical phenomenon, the animal won't drink. I am not going to try and convince it again. It has a nasty habit of kicking when confronted with the truth.

Unfortunately, any incomprehensible writing has a logical answer if one considers it from outside the skeptical box that too much idle negation creates.

As far as arranging movie treatment of the Examiner, this is amply shown on the CD that accompanies the product. There is no scam when refunds are cheerfully given. Anyone who knows LRLs would laugh at the movie idea since the only guarantee no-one is moving the unit subtly is for a user to try it himself. Any film, and there have been attempts, have been met with complete skepticism. Any scientific report has always been a setup in the eyes of skeptics. Try it and decide for yourself is the only answer.

I doubt CC has a polarity problem. Very few people do. Basically the aerial formed by the human body needs to lie between normal parameters. You can use a millivolt meter to determine this by holding the ends but we prefer to use the Examiner itself.

I have tried to answer your questions via PM where possible.

Byeya!