One more to prove the concept

[Theseus]

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Well, well. What a place to meet you Sam, at the Gathering of the Delusional. There is no bad Carl, no bad CC...only Theseus or bad Sam S. What are you up to these days you old stick (or should I say skeptical black sheep)?

You guys won't get off your asses and do anything. You're only here to seek attention.

Delusional??? I guess you must be looking in the mirror again. You remind me of a cute little poem I once read:

I met a man upon the stair
A little man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away

[Rangertell]

Delusional??? I guess you must be looking in the mirror again. You remind me of a cute little poem I once read:

I met a man upon the stair
A little man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish to heck he'd go away

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Alright for you fella to drive round in another man's vehicle hollering you're some kind of a god called Theseus and claiming invisible little men you are deluded enough to see are hiding from you. Leprechauns of course.

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Don't listen to those voices in the background. They're probably false identities Sam's constructed. A guy with a junkyard running a forum here?
Nah!

Well, it's my birthday today and I'm almost late for a party. I'm 42. Au revoir.

AC

[Qiaozhi]

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Alright for you fella to drive round in another man's vehicle hollering you're some kind of a god called Theseus and claiming invisible little men you are deluded enough to see are hiding from you. Leprechauns of course.

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Don't listen to those voices in the background. They're probably false identities Sam's constructed. A guy with a junkyard running a forum here?
Nah!

Well, it's my birthday today and I'm almost late for a party. I'm 42. Au revoir.

AC

Oops!

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC.

[Fred]

Oops!

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC.

Lynx eye Qiaozhi ?

[Theseus]

Oops!

Looks like you've slipped up again. Now you claim to be Ranger-Tell, and not Al Carson ... BUT - you've just signed out as AC.

When you have as many aliases as he has created in his little head, I imagine it is real hard to keep track of all them, or to even remember which one he is at that moment.

Then, of course, he has the added problem of believing he is talking to his long lost friends(?) from some previous encounter he had. I think the poor guy might need a Daily Planner and a Secretary just to help him keep it all straight.

Me thinks it might have been just as easy to be Vincent Blanes and skip all the intrigue and cloak and dagger stuff, especially since he hasn't fooled anyone anyway. But, whatever...........

[J_Player]

Hi Rangertell,

It seems the forum has strayed from the original purpose of this thread: "One more to prove the concept".
I can see there have been difficulties in establishing the correct identity, but assuming I am talking to the person who represents the RangerTell company, perhaps we can get past any confusion of who might have been posting previously. Any continued accusations and finger-pointing seem a waste of time when there is only one issue to deal with: "Does the RangerTell work"?

Most of the skeptics in this forum don't believe the RangerTell Examiner will find treasure because they can't imagine any way the internal components could work. Neither can I. But I do not share the views of the other skeptics in this forum whereby I must understand the working principles before I will admit a device works. All I need is to see it working reliably, then I can work out the details of how I think it works later. Just because I can't imagine how it can work does not mean it can't work. The only real proof of the pudding is in the eating. This means, that if the RangerTell finds treasure for people who use it, then it is a valuable commodity, regardless of what principle it works on. This is why I am willing to provide a fair test for any LRL to do what it is claimed to do in public with any skeptics and LRL proponents watching to insure the testing is fair.

The reason I bring this up is that Clondike Clad recently declined to accept the replacement RangerTell you offered. I would be willing to accept his replacement and then test it at some known treasure bearing locations in the area where I live (Southern California). When testing the RangerTell, I will also invite any forum members to watch the testing. I know there are several members of this forum who live in my area, who are neither for or against long range locators. It would be most helpful if a RangerTell agent were present to properly adjust the RangerTell Examiner in order to insure we are using it in it's optimum treasure seeking mode. But if there is no agent available, then I suppose the CD will explain how to properly use the RangerTell. If the RangerTell works as you say it does, then I will be the first to place my order for another on ebay, and I know at least one other customer from this forum who will buy if he sees it work in a credible live test.

I will also be happy to post photos in this forum and the other major treasure hunting forums of the RangerTell in action, as well as hold weekend demonstrations for anyone who wants to see it work.This could be an opportunity to prove that the RangerTell Examiner works in spite of what Carl-NC says, and to prove it in his own forum. If you want, I could also put up a professional web page showing the RangerTell working, and inviting people for weekend demonstrations.

It is sad that Clondike Clad is not willing to accept his replacement RangerTell.
So why not send it to me. I can guarantee it will see a lot of high visibility use in the field.

Please post an answer in this forum.
If you are interested, we can handle the details in PMs.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

works in spite of what Carl-NC says, and to prove it in his own forum.

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.
Here is the latest one I ran across.

I'm sure it cost some bucks to bring in Frank Casser, and his equipment to verify locations made with Carl's LRL.

[QUOTE]OK...Here's a picture to satisfy the OKM fans...found with my own LRL (a design a copied from Carl's website and then tweaked to work properly...lol), I then verified the site with 5 of Bob's Fitzgerald's Instruments (Navigator, Trailblazer, Mother Load (GR), Maxi-Pulse Plus PI w/4' Loop, and the PPL. Then for sh*#'s and giggles I brought in Frank Casser with every OKM instrument known to man...lol. Frank Casser verified what I had already discovered with my little LRL design that I got thanks to one of the biggest LRL pessimist in the world...ROFLMAO Thanks Carl /QUOTE]

[J_Player]

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.

Here is the latest one I ran across. "OK...Here's a picture to satisfy the OKM fans...found with my own LRL (a design a copied from Carl's website and then tweaked to work properly...lol), I then verified the site with 5 of Bob's Fitzgerald's Instruments (Navigator, Trailblazer, Mother Load (GR), Maxi-Pulse Plus PI w/4' Loop, and the PPL. Then for sh*#'s and giggles I brought in Frank Casser with every OKM instrument known to man...lol. Frank Casser verified what I had already discovered with my little LRL design that I got thanks to one of the biggest LRL pessimist in the world...ROFLMAO Thanks Carl

Perhaps Carl claims LRL doesn't work because you refuse to demonstrate any LRL you sell working. You quoted a post made by someone claims a single find that he did not recover... and a lot of rhetoric about how treasure was verified. Are you aware that Carl has already pointed out the number of chance real treasure recoveries made by people who sometimes don't even have treasure hunting equipment? These are well documented in the newspapers over the years. Now you try to prove Carl wrong with another un-recovered treasure?

Are you ready to demonstrate any of your LRLs working live in front of skeptic witnesses from this forum actually recovering treasure? Or should we assume they don't work, and the best you can do is call people names and refer to ancient chance discoveries made by others that cannot be verified to show your LRLs work?

Somehow, I expected this BS from you. Lots of talk and no action when it comes to showing your goods working.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

J_Player, I know your intentions are good but regarding your post to Rangertell.
He will never go along with this line of reasoning because the mystique is whether his device actually works or not.
As long as he can keep ones guessing about the usefullness of his products, he has a chance of making a sell.
I have to admit like you however, I don't have to know how something works, just as long as it does.
The trouble with LRLs, especially these swindle types, hmmmm, I mean swivel types, there is no way to ever know if they are really working as they will swing around if the wind is blowing them and if the pivot is not perfectly held vertical at all times while using it.
On top of all that, I bet inertia of movement can cause the turning of the rod.
My question: How could anyone guarantee such a contraption to find anything?

[J_Player]

J_Player, I know your intentions are good but regarding your post to Rangertell.
He will never go along with this line of reasoning because the mystique is whether him device actually works or not.

...My question: How could anyone guarantee such a contraption to find anything?

Hi Steve in MS,

Rangertell can speak for himself. Whether he goes along with it is his decision.

How he can guarantee it is something we do not know, since we don't understand the principles under which it works. So any presumptions we make are just guesses. The only way we will know for sure is to use it and see it working live. Once we see it working and finding targets, then all our rhetoric about how it can't work will become pure BS rather than speculative thinking.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Hey, it's Carl's claim that HIS LRL, works as well, or better than any LRL on the market, and it's being proved. It's not my claim, it's Carl's.

I can understand an inflated ego attacking me. I don't have any degrees, and hardly any formal education to defend.

You should be happy Carl has proven his electronic ability to build a working LRL, better than mine, for you to copy and use. The majority of LRL's have been designed and built by electronic engineers, and techs, and certainly not by me. There's nothing wrong with that, is there? Dell

[Steve in MS]

Hi Steve in MS,

Rangertell can speak for himself. Whether he goes along with it is his decision.

How he can guarantee it is something we do not know, since we don't understand the principles under which it works. So any presumptions we make are just guesses. The only way we will know for sure is to use it and see it working live. Once we see it working and finding targets, then all our rhetoric about how it can't work will become pure BS rather than speculative thinking.

Best wishes,
J_P

No problem, friend. I guess the sure way would be to buy his product and try it for oneself but for me I like to see some level of competence that it works before I buy it, like from others whose statements could be trusted.
If you can get a loaner or a free one then by all means, go for it.
So far though from the posts on this forum, the evidence isn't very compelling to me.
Regards.

[Rangertell]

Hey, it's Carl's claim that HIS LRL, works as well, or better than any LRL on the market, and it's being proved. It's not my claim, it's Carl's.

I can understand an inflated ego attacking me. I don't have any degrees, and hardly any formal education to defend.

You should be happy Carl has proven his electronic ability to build a working LRL, better than mine, for you to copy and use. The majority of LRL's have been designed and built by electronic engineers, and techs, and certainly not by me. There's nothing wrong with that, is there? Dell

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You've got it in one Dell. Why would Carl be stonewall-anti LRLs/MFDs when he has often mentioned that they work and 'sells' one of his own design? One only has to go his 'Projects' page to see how to build an MFD. Here is an unedited transcipt from that page:

For those that don't know, MFD (Molecular Frequency Discriminator) is another word for LRL.

Fig. 10: MFD Triangulation
There are two potential pitfalls with MFDs and both are due to the incredible sensitivity. An MFD has the ability to pick up target signals from as much as 10 miles away, though 1-3 miles is more typical. This means that it can take quite some time and effort to trace out the signal line. Once you have the target pinpointed you may have to face another problem: depth. The MFD can detect targets as deep as 100-200 feet, so locating the target is only half the battle. If a metal detector does not verify the existance of a metal target at the identified location then you should bring in excavation equipment. If no obvious target is found when you reach 200 feet, then the target was most likely subatomic gold particles - you cannot see it and most chemical analyses will not detect it either, but the MFD will.

Copyright © 1999-2004 Carl W. Moreland, all rights reserved.

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Though there are some that claim this is tongue-in-cheek, those who understand the English language can see it is a serious statement, not a sarcastic one. Carl's page is a serious how-to re MFDs/LRLs.

It needs to be said that the difference between a good LRL and just another, is it's ability to avoid this micro gold (sub-atomic particles). If it mentions that it has an anti microgold function, then it's likely it's a good one.

Investing in a good microscope is a must when LRLing. I can recommend Digital Blue Computer microscopes (x200). You will see that even though you think you've missed, there will be easily identifiable microgold in your shots. Take soil from around the area and there won't be.

Carl certainly does have a neat answer for beginners there and his LRLs should not be belittled. He says all others are dowsing. This means he is likely backing his own against them. Why don't we challenge him to prove his is better than a few of the ones he has commented on.





Vic Blaines the LRL inventor
(Fake name added to keep the forum on-topic.)

[Carl-NC]

I surely don't know why Carl, would claim LRL doesn't work when there have been several instances of treasure recoveries reported by users of Carl's LRL.

I've not seen a recovered treasure found with my LRL. Have you? Certainly Don Patterson hasn't recovered anything.

- Carl

[J_Player]

If you can get a loaner or a free one then by all means, go for it.
So far though from the posts on this forum, the evidence isn't very compelling to me.

Hi Steve in MS,
A loaner would be nice. I technically haven't asked for a free one, only that the one they were going to ship as a replacement to Clondike Clad to be shipped to me instead. What I would really like is for a Rangertell agent to demonstrate how to use the Examiner, so we could see how to adjust it and watch it work before trying it out ourselves. I would gladly pay for it if I see it finds treasure like Rangertell says, and I would lead many others to buy them too.

Of course the evidence isn't very compelling, that's why we're skeptics. But it seems Rangertell may have gotten a bad break with all the flack directed against him. He seems like a pretty good guy if you treat him decent. I don't know about all this alias name stuff, only that he carried on a nice conversation with me in the PM he sent me. So why not give him a chance?

Best wishes,
J_P