US Department of Justice Identifies MFD and HID as Worthless Dowsing Gadgets

[J_Player]

...Apparently, my paint roller services precede me and were recommended by two separate Archaeologist, and a Geologist. They may even know more about Earth Science physics, than the Scientific pretenders that post on this forum. I don't see why they would put their reputations on the line to recommend me if they didn't feel their confidence in my knowledge, and ability with what you call, "paint rollers" was justified.

Hi Dell,
It's good to hear the economic situation got a boost this month. Will you be traveling soon in connection with your services for these major projects in Utah, and the Bahamas?

Archaeologists and especially Geologists are known to have some knowledge of earth sciences because of their credentials. So if your services were recommended by these three people, these are impressive recommendations. Can you tell us more about the two archaeologists and the geologist who recommended your services? Who are they?

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

You've been asked thousands of times over many decades to demonstrate electronic metering of your imaginary signal lines. To this date, you've not come forth with even a single spec of evidence, or supporting documentation.

Theseus, To establish your own credibility, can you be more specific? Who is it that has asked me thousands of times over decades? Apparently, it's not you. The name Theseus, is relativity new to this forum, and represented here as an apparently fictitious name with no credibility what so ever.

The only other complainant I am aware of is a certifiable Nut case Whacko, named Sam Scafferi, who has been kicked off of every Treasure forum he ever posted his real name on.

Again, show your proof that totally electronically metered Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination (MFD), that I used for 8 years, does not exist, and that I am lieing about it Please Go ahead, show any such factual proof to the viewers here that I am lieing about what I say.

I am fully aware that you are unable to back your words with truth, or evidence because you know as well as I, that your allegations are libel, false, and you are trying to deceive trusting viewers by pretending you know what you are talking about. Stupid is, as Stupid does.

Theseus, I challenge you show you have credibility, and back up your venomous allegations with substance, so viewers can clearly see the truthfulness of your comments. Otherwise, you are just another egotistical skeptic mental case seeking attention for your self at some one else's expense. Dell

[Theseus]

your allegations are libel.... Dell

Guess you need to brush up some on legalities; among other things.

...adverse public statements about legal citizens presented as fact must be proven false to be defamatory or slanderous/libel.

In order for you to prove my statement false you will have to:

1. Show proof of the existence of something you call Signal Lines.
2. Show said Signal Lines being measured with electronic measuring devices (does not include L-rods or dowsing tools).
3. Demonstrate both 1. and 2. above to a panel of qualified dis-interested third-parties who can judge if you achieved both constraints 1. and 2. fairly and to their satisfaction.

Good luck....

[Seden]

US Department of Justice Indentifies MFD and HID as Booshee

Kev,

Map Dowsing could be along the lines of a ouija board where in the field using a dowsing rod for locating water is strictly a matter of detecting the electrostatic voltage generated by running water. That aspect has been documented and can be easily demonstrated by laying water hose in a straight line and turning the water on and walking with a metallic dowsing rod across it. In Junior High science class they would demonstrate a simple electroscope by turning on the water facet and placing the gold leafs in between the flow of water and the leafs react to the flow of water's electrostatic energy. Beyond that example I can not speak for dowsing. Lot's of theories that have been beaten to death on this and other forums ad nausium.

[Dell Winders]

Guess you need to brush up some on legalities; among other things.

...adverse public statements about legal citizens presented as fact must be proven false to be defamatory or slanderous/libel.

In order for you to prove my statement false you will have to:
Show proof of the existence of something you call Signal Lines.
Show said Signal Lines being measured with electronic measuring devices (does not include L-rods or dowsing tools).
Demonstrate both 1. and 2. above to a panel of qualified dis-interested third-parties who can judge if you achieved both constraints 1. and 2. fairly and to their satisfaction.
Good luck....

And what does this wiggle dance have to do with proof of your truthfullness, and credibility. So, again I challenge you to demonstrate your credibility and truthfulness by showing the viewers tangible proof of your venom mouthed allegations that I am lieing about my use of totally electronic metering of Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination (MFD) signals for a period of 8 years.

Come on Theseus, here is your chance, and perfect opportunity to prove your truthfullness and credibility to those here that trust and support you, and to all the viewers. Surely, a person of your credentials wouldn't propagate lies about me and try to deceive the folks here, would you?

Any body here think that Theseus, is credible and are willing to support his word without his showing any tangible evidence whatsoever to prove his allegation?

Stupid is, as Stupid does! Dell

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,
I never saw any proof by anybody about signal lines existing, only a lot of claims. Nor did I ever see anyone prove a location for those alleged "signal lines" location with any standard electronic instruments or dowsing instruments or other instruments. And I never saw any proof of any equipment working that you have listed for sale on your web page.

But for the question of electronics inside your instruments, I am pretty well convinced you have a good stable frequency generator inside your X-scan. From what I read in the forum, it is a modern and well designed circuit. I guess that doesn't say anything to prove signal lines exist or not, but the frequency generator is not a fake generator. It's good quality in my opinion.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Map Dowsing could be along the lines of a ouija board where in the field using a dowsing rod for locating water is strictly a matter of detecting the electrostatic voltage generated by running water. That aspect has been documented and can be easily demonstrated by laying water hose in a straight line and turning the water on and walking with a metallic dowsing rod across it. In Junior High science class they would demonstrate a simple electroscope by turning on the water facet and placing the gold leafs in between the flow of water and the leafs react to the flow of water's electrostatic energy. Beyond that example I can not speak for dowsing. Lot's of theories that have been beaten to death on this and other forums ad nausium.

Seden, it's refreshing to see that you are one of the few people here who doesn't argue against the simple application of L-Rods to elementary physics.

As a second example, an electrical cord with electricity running through it to a light bulb, or appliance will also generate a detectable "field', that can be metered with hand held L-Rods.

Stupidity, and ignorance, prevails among those here that disregard these two examples as being strictly a sub conscious, ideomotor controlled muscle movement of the L-rods. I suspect there will be denial, and argument that it is impossible for physics to be involved in a hand held L-Rod's reaction to a target "Field".

Thanks for speaking honestly from your own experience. Dell

[WM6]

Stupidity, and ignorance, prevails among those here that disregard these two examples as being strictly a sub conscious, ideomotor controlled muscle movement of the L-rods. I suspect there will be denial, and argument that it is impossible for physics to be involved in a hand held L-Rod's reaction to a target "Field".

Why all the so-called "inventors" believe that the science began with them, although answers regarding their "inventions" were given by the real science long before they were born?

They prefer the other accused of ignorance and stupidity, but do not want to learn and read, for example this book from way back in 1952 (first published):


Illusions and delusions of the supernatural and the occult (The psychology of the occult) (Author) D. H. Rawcliffe

from Table of contents:

[Qiaozhi]

The Skeptics Dictionary

There is also this one ->

http://www.amazon.com/Skeptics-Dictionary-Collection-Deceptions-Dangerous/dp/0471272426/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253177164&sr=1-1

[Theseus]

Bum... diddty... do... da.... doing the Dell Winders Two-Step.

Dance and dance, but when you get all done dancing and running your mouth off; you still have to:

In order for you to prove my statement false you will have to:

1. Show proof of the existence of something you call Signal Lines.
2. Show said Signal Lines being measured with electronic measuring devices (does not include L-rods or dowsing tools).
3. Demonstrate both 1. and 2. above to a panel of qualified dis-interested third-parties who can judge if you achieved both constraints 1. and 2. fairly and to their satisfaction.

[Dell Winders]

You've been asked thousands of times over many decades to demonstrate electronic metering of your imaginary signal lines. To this date, you've not come forth with even a single spec of evidence, or supporting documentation.

Theseus, have you no honesty or integrity? You called my use of fully electronic metering MFD (no Rods) a "Bald faced Lie", inferring that I am a Liar, and now you dance around that claim. Prove to your supporters, and Geotech viewers that your claim about me is true. Show that you have credibility.

I contend that you are a chronic Liar, posting under a fictitious name with No credibility whatsoever. Your allegation is Bogus, the product of a demented, delusional, radical Skeptic mindset.

You continue to dance around and evade the responsibility of proving your serious allegations against me because there is nothing else you can do but apologize for your chronic lieing. I am aware that your ego would never allow you to admit to, or apologize to me for your wrong doings. But, if you can't show proof of your asinine allegation, the opening for a sincere apology is there.

Theseus, To establish your own credibility, can you be more specific? Who is it that has asked me thousands of times over decades? Apparently, it's not you. The name Theseus, is relativity new to this forum, and represented here as an apparently fictitious name with no credibility what so ever.

The only other complainant I am aware of is a certifiable Nut case Whacko, named Sam Scafferi, who has been kicked off of every Treasure forum he ever posted his real name on.

Again, show your proof that totally electronically metered Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination (MFD), that I used for 8 years, does not exist, and that I am lieing about it. Please Go ahead, show any such factual proof to the viewers here that I am lieing about what I say.

I am fully aware that you are unable to back your words with truth, or evidence because you know as well as I, that your allegations are false, and you are trying to deceive trusting viewers by pretending you know what you are talking about. Stupid is, as Stupid does.

Theseus, I challenge you show you have credibility, and back up your venomous allegations with substance, so viewers can clearly see the truthfulness of your comments. Otherwise, you are just another egotistical skeptic mental case seeking attention for your self at some one else's expense. Dell

To the rest of you, I tell the truth. The original Remote sensing, Frequency Discrimination instruments were fully electronic, with electronic metering. I field tested, and used a variety of these privately built inventions over a period of 8 years, on land, over water, and from the air. And of course, this is provable in a court of law, or I wouldn't have stated this in the past, or restate it now.

You are free to accept my word on this, or you can demand that Theseus, and his supporters (if any) demonstrate his own honesty and credibility by showing proof of his allegation that the truthful statement of my using fully electronic, electronically metered, remote sensing, locating from a distance instruments, is as Theseus, termed, "A BOLD-FACED LIE"

Folks, Do your own research to learn the truth, or go ahead and vote your conscience of whose word you accept on this matter, THESEUS, or DELL ? Thanks! Dell

[WM6]

And of course, this is provable in a court of law, or I wouldn't have stated this in the past, or restate it now.

Dell, what is your fully claim regarding your devices that can be provable by court of law?

[Max]

Dell, what is your fully claim regarding your devices that can be provable by court of law?

Does matter ?

Nobody will sue him... what hope to e.g. fine him ?

I think many LRL magicians and charlatans declare they're broke cause of that....

btw... they have the power of discover gold using long range locators and / or simple dowsing rods BUT DECLARE THEY ARE BROKE, PEOPLE!

Don't make you laugh ?

Maybe they recover gold for others...

Or maybe they get all that gold and give to no-profit organizations to buy medicines and food for african childrens ...

Or maybe they simply forgot where they put the tons of gold they recovered...

Or just make gifts to people passing the street near their home... or whatever...

Or maybe they lost count of gold they found and cause of all calculations they made burnt all neurons and now need to pay for medical expenses...

Hmmm...

Strange these LRL broke guys...

I will spend whole fortune in Las Vegas with chicks and champagne ...instead!

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Dell Dances the Dance but Falls Short of Evidence

For a big guy, up in years, you are still pretty light on your feet. When you get done with all your dancein' around.... you can prove yourself to the forum by posting what you claim is possible:

1. Show proof of the existence of something you call Signal Lines.
2. Show said Signal Lines being measured with electronic measuring devices (does not include L-rods or dowsing tools).
3. Demonstrate both 1. and 2. above to a panel of qualified dis-interested third-parties who can judge if you achieved both constraints 1. and 2. fairly and to their satisfaction.

If you choose not to do that than I guess you can dance (and name call) all you want, but you're still nothing but a snake oil salesman, irritated because you been exposed at your favorite Wallet-mining game.

BTW, several members here go by a Username, that is probably not their real name. If that's a crime maybe you should ask Carl or Qiaozhi to rewrite the rules of the forum so they would be more to your liking. No one is forcing you to post here. If you don't like the place, why hang around?

[Dell Winders]

Theseus, you are caught in your own web of lies about me. Quit trying to evade, and worm your way out. If what you say about me is true, then why is it a problem for to show the folks here that you are truthful, and that your word is trustworthy, and credible?

Go ahead, PLEASE show the viewers your proof that I am lieing about my field use, and testing of fully electronic, electronic metering (no Rods) Remote sensing detection from a distance, over a period of eight( years.

Your tangible proof that I am lieing about this, as you claim, will invalidate anything I may ever say regarding my products. Isn't the Skeptic agenda to discredit me, and put me out of business? Now is your chance. Prove your allegation that I am lieing, and you will have succeeded, where 16 years of Skeptic publications and attacks have failed. Go for it Theseus. Prove to the folks here that you are not the mentally challenged chronic liar that I purport you to be.

Carl, supports your efforts, he's not going to kick you off this forum. There is no law against lieing, so you know you are safe to continue your demented lies.

So far, you haven't made any effort to show proof of your allegations against me. You have not established any credibility for yourself, so it's fair for folks to assume you are untruthful, and the chronic Liar that I described? Dell

You've been asked thousands of times over many decades to demonstrate electronic metering of your imaginary signal lines. To this date, you've not come forth with even a single spec of evidence, or supporting documentation.

Theseus, have you no honesty or integrity? You called my use of fully electronic metering MFD (no Rods) a "Bald faced Lie", inferring that I am a Liar, and now you dance around that claim. Prove to your supporters, and Geotech viewers that your claim about me is true. Show that you have credibility.

I contend that you are a chronic Liar, posting under a fictitious name with No credibility whatsoever. Your allegation is Bogus, the product of a demented, delusional, radical Skeptic mindset.

You continue to dance around and evade the responsibility of proving your serious allegations against me because there is nothing else you can do but apologize for your chronic lieing. I am aware that your ego would never allow you to admit to, or apologize to me for your wrong doings. But, if you can't show proof of your asinine allegation, the opening for a sincere apology is there.

Theseus, To establish your own credibility, can you be more specific? Who is it that has asked me thousands of times over decades? Apparently, it's not you. The name Theseus, is relativity new to this forum, and represented here as an apparently fictitious name with no credibility what so ever.

The only other complainant I am aware of is a certifiable Nut case Whacko, named Sam Scafferi, who has been kicked off of every Treasure forum he ever posted his real name on.

Again, show your proof that totally electronically metered Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination (MFD), that I used for 8 years, does not exist, and that I am lieing about it. Please Go ahead, show any such factual proof to the viewers here that I am lieing about what I say.

I am fully aware that you are unable to back your words with truth, or evidence because you know as well as I, that your allegations are false, and you are trying to deceive trusting viewers by pretending you know what you are talking about. Stupid is, as Stupid does.

Theseus, I challenge you show you have credibility, and back up your venomous allegations with substance, so viewers can clearly see the truthfulness of your comments. Otherwise, you are just another egotistical skeptic mental case seeking attention for your self at some one else's expense. Dell

To the rest of you, I tell the truth. The original Remote sensing, Frequency Discrimination instruments were fully electronic, with electronic metering. I field tested, and used a variety of these privately built inventions over a period of 8 years, on land, over water, and from the air. And of course, this is provable in a court of law, or I wouldn't have stated this in the past, or restate it now.

You are free to accept my word on this, or you can demand that Theseus, and his supporters (if any) demonstrate his own honesty and credibility by showing proof of his allegation that the truthful statement of my using fully electronic, electronically metered, remote sensing, locating from a distance instruments, is as Theseus, termed, "A BOLD-FACED LIE"

Folks, Do your own research to learn the truth, or go ahead and vote your conscience of whose word you accept on this matter, THESEUS, or DELL as being the truth? Thanks! Dell