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[J_Player]

"NO! In my opinion, the locators I sell DO NOT actually detect Gold." Dell

Dell said this?
Ok, I take it back. I will no longer assume the Omnitron LRLs can't pass a double blind test for finding gold.
I will take Dell's word for it and consider it a fact that they don't detect gold.

Errr... so what do they do?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Dell said this?
Ok, I take it back. I will no longer assume the Omnitron LRLs can't pass a double blind test for finding gold.
I will take Dell's word for it and consider it a fact that they don't detect gold.

Errr... so what do they do?

As Dell said, "They perform exactly as I say they do, under the magnetic conditions in which I claim they do."

Isn't is perfectly clear?

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

You know for eons he tries to pursue a local promotion against LRLs with the old and tiresome 'motto' pretense they are scam for his own business purposes.

Hmmm... sure would like to know what my "business purposes" are. Might make me feel better about all the money I've spent debunking this junk.

- Carl

[J_Player]

And so it follows through in Dell's replies...
Well, so much for the truth being in a Skeptic's arm chair analaysis. No research, no supporting data.
Again, presumption,and assumption, spoken in ignorance. Carl, and cronies started their attacks on me personally, actually posting that they were there to put me out of business.

This is great Dell,
No research and supporting data?
You can find it right here in this forum. It is self-evident to all who regularly read this forum.
In case you forgot:

1. You don't think I researched what kind of words you use to verbally attack people who don't agree with you?
Here are your words:
"That it is a stupid quote used by Skeptic Nut case"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=87970&postcount=88

"Are there no Intelligent Skeptics, or are you just a freak anomaly wallowing in the ignorance your own imaginative pretense?"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84566&postcount=24

"this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78656&postcount=32

"There is no arguing with egotistical idiots"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78604&postcount=16

"your PRETENSE of Scientific knowledge of all physics astounds me".
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=63"
There you go with your lieing inferences."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=73790&postcount=56

This hypocricisy and deception is carried on today by the Skeptic cult...
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48439&postcount=97
It's a bald faced lie, and fraud, when you don't know what you are talking about and make false allegations under a scientific pretense.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43981&postcount=3

I stopped here because this list of Dell quotes goes on and on and on for many pages ad nauseum. In fact, Dell has interjected so many abrasive attacks on people that many of his off-topic rantings were moved to a special area called "Dell's Complaints"
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824

But this doesn't happen only in the Geotech forums. Dell has been banned from using the term "skeptic cult" on more than one forum. Have any other readers of the other treasure forums seen the posts by forum moderators warning Dell about his choice of words?

2. You don't think there is data to support how you post more often than your competitors?
Here is the data: Dell Winders -- Posts: 529.
Show me a single one of your competitors who comes anywhere close to that many posts. In fact, there are none. But not just in the Geotech forum. You are the sole LRL manufacturer who makes most of the posts on other treasure forums with non-conventional detector sections. Considering you use the same presumptive derogatory language there, I see you get more negative attacks responses in return than any of your competitors there too. (hint: business management often requires diplomacy and good public relations to avoid projecting the image of a whiny cry-baby looking for someone else to blame their troubles on. Who would want to buy anything from a loser)?

You want me to research and post the data for how many of your competitors post on this forum or any others in comparison to you? Forget it. You have Jumped into any treasure forum where you could find an audience for your diatribe. I see your competitors posting very rarely in comparison. Can you prove me wrong?

You want me to believe that Carl hampered your business while helping his "electronic buddies" put electronic junk on your competitors LRLs, and that put you out of business? Well, I don't. It just doesn't wash. For one, the loyal customer base you so often brag about would not be influenced by anything a skeptic could say. They are loyal, right? and they love the LRLs you sold them, and probably want to buy more as soon as they save up the money.

I also don't believe Carl or any other skeptic in this forum has any electronic buddies building crappy LRL junk, nor do I believe they would help them in any way. This is self evident in the content of this forum. You have already seen the data on Carl's LRL report page as well as what you can read on the titles of the posts in the remote sensing forums. I see posts by skeptics dealing with generally all LRLs in the same way. No singling out Dell winders. I only see more posts against Dell and his products because he calls people names and makes stupid arguments with very presumptive innuendos. Did I mention egotistical?

I look in your last post where you use your hillbilly logic to criticize me and skeptics in general for not doing our homework - no supporting data. Well, you are reading it here and in my previous post where I detailed the LRL reports page.
But wait...
According to Dell's hillbilly logic, only a skeptic must provide supporting data... Dell is exempt because of rule 1 and rule 2 of Dell's logic:

1. It helps me to sell Omnitron LRLs = Good, rational logic
2. It does not help me to sell Omnitron LRLs = Bad, irrational logic

So where is all the supporting data that shows how Carl was able to put you out of business by making forum posts so many years ago? Show us the relentless trail of posts that succeeded in turning a nation against Dell Winders. I just can't seem to find it. But I find plenty of posts where you argue with anyone who disagrees with you. Could it be that anyone who disagrees get's automatically branded as one of Carl's "skeptic cult?" Is this whole "skeptic cult" and "scientific pretender" talk just more of Dell's logic at work? Is Dell Winders trying to set himself up as a martyr, to make it look like a conspiracy of Carl's cronies are responsible for his decisions and failures?

I see plenty of data to support the fact you decided to make more posts in this forum and other treasure hunting forums than your competitors. Anyone can go to this forum and any other forum where you post and check the post counts for themselves. Have you ever considered that good business management includes avoiding making a public fool out of yourself? Could it be that this tends to drive customers away? Do you suppose this is the reason why your competitors don't often post in the open forums?

Personally, I don't think it matters much what gets posted in these foums. I doubt much of your clientele reads tech forums anyway. What's hard to understand is why you post here at all. You have your own forum where there are no skeptics to disagree with your ideas. It is the perfect forum where only hillbilly logic is allowed. Not a single negative post. So why not build up your own forum and use it to advertise your products in a favorable environment? Why try to get your publicity in a skeptic forum when you have a much more perfect forum of your own? Doesn't that make business sense?

Bottom line again: I did my research. The data is here and on a few other forums. So where's your data Dell?
Forget it... Even if Carl and others disagree with you, and you rant and holler, I still don't believe this caused any noticeable effect on your business. I believe you decided to place yourself in the middle of forum arguments yourself for years, and this had little to do with business either, other than distracting you from other things you should have been doing.

If you really think I am wrong, show me the data to prove it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

J_Player, that took a lot of time... but it does iterate the supporting data Dell was asking for. What you have done is show Dell exactly what he has done to waste probably more than several decades of his life - while at the same time being his own worst enemy.

Then, in typical Dell fashion, he comes on any and all forums (where he isn't banned) and rants and raves about people trying to put him out of business.

The TRUTH is, if Dell's business has suffered in any possible way; it was BY HIS OWN HAND AND HIS OWN DOING. To the best of my knowledge, no one has held a gun to Dell's head and forced him to broadcast his diatribe on multiple forums, over the past decades.

Now. Where is Dell's data to the contrary?

[J_Player]

What you have done is show Dell exactly what he has done to waste probably more than several decades of his life - while at the same time being his own worst enemy,

You have said what I said in a single sentence for people who have the intellect to see through the failings of hillbilly logic and don't need an instruction book to tell them what it means.

Now. Where is Dell's data to the contrary?

Dell's data to the contrary?
Unless Dell actually understood what I said, I think we're about to hear all about it.
And it will be the same kind of data that Dell uses to prove his LRLs work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Shhhhhhhhhhh...

Got really quiet didn't it.

Amazing the power of facts and truth over unsubstantiated diatribe and rhetoric.

Me thinks it was time to go into the "duck and run" routine.

[Fred]

Got really quiet didn't it.

Amazing the power of facts and truth over unsubstantiated diatribe and rhetoric.

Me thinks it was time to go into the "duck and run" routine.

...Will reboot in "safe mode" soon ...

[Jim]

Now for a break in the electronic buffoonery and chuckle at this.

You can actually purchase this empty plastic bottle and holder for a mere $75.

Yikes

Source: Dowse Master http://dowse.webs.com/apps/webstore/
Promoted by none other than Dell Winders

[Theseus]

Now for a break in the electronic buffoonery and chuckle at this.

You can actually purchase this empty plastic bottle and holder for a mere $75.

Yikes

Source: Dowse Master http://dowse.webs.com/apps/webstore/
Promoted by none other than Dell Winders

And here is the claim that makes it Fraud by Willful Deception:

"Just set the module above the ground on a stump, or rock, and the Dowse Master Target Discriminator, generates harmonic Signal lines to targets up to 100 feet away."

Other than dowsing rods (a trick of the mind), how do you suppose Dell can prove the generation of the so-called harmonic signal lines?

[Qiaozhi]

Now for a break in the electronic buffoonery and chuckle at this.

You can actually purchase this empty plastic bottle and holder for a mere $75.

Yikes

Source: Dowse Master http://dowse.webs.com/apps/webstore/
Promoted by none other than Dell Winders

More parts from the plumbing department.

[Rudy]

More parts from the plumbing department.

Ah yes, but anyone can tell that with the lid tightly screwed on, the humoric gases are confined to the inside and the end-to-end length of the chamber is one quarter wavelength of the humoric gas resonance frequency, so the oscillatory amplitude builds up inside the chamber thus facilitating the accurate discrimination of the sample.

[Qiaozhi]

Ah yes, but anyone can tell that with the lid tightly screwed on, the humoric gases are confined to the inside and the end-to-end length of the chamber is one quarter wavelength of the humoric gas resonance frequency, so the oscillatory amplitude builds up inside the chamber thus facilitating the accurate discrimination of the sample.

No doubt resulting in a sudden coherent burst of laughter from the semi-transparent cover on the end of the device.

[J_Player]

Ah yes, but anyone can tell that with the lid tightly screwed on, the humoric gases are confined to the inside and the end-to-end length of the chamber is one quarter wavelength of the humoric gas resonance frequency, so the oscillatory amplitude builds up inside the chamber thus facilitating the accurate discrimination of the sample.

Lid tightly screwed on?
Hmmmm....

Now according to realscience, when you have a pressure-tight seal, and the temperature changes, then the pressure of the gasses will change. Do you suppose this will change the humoric gas resonant frequency? And what about the temperature coefficient of the humoric gas resonant frequency? And, while we are on the topic, what motive force sets the humoric gas resonating, anyway?

Now I suppose this bottle comes with a chart that tells you how much to correct for temperature, atmospheric pressure, and internal pressure. Assuming it does, I would expect it also has a chart that tells you how many inch-pounds of torque to apply to the cap so the calibrated gasket will be compressed the exact amount needed to yield the correct resonant frequency that will send signal lines to the designated target.

Right?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Poor Dell.... it appears they (we) are laughing at your latest little ($2) plastic plumbing gimmick to swindle ready cash from the gullible and technically-challenged.

How do you sleep at night??? or even look yourself in the mirror??? I guess it's no wonder you have high blood pressure.

But then, I suppose you can buy quite a few BP pills with the $73 profit from just a single sale to some unsuspecting fool. Still, I would not want to be in your shoes.... no way!