The so-called PHENOMENON

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, that is true. I agree 100%. And i am ready to spitt on my last 20 years, just like that. Only need to see workable LRL which is able to accuratelly detect 1 gold coin at 1m depth in soil.

Finding a 1Kg hoard of coins buried at 24" would be a start.

http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/hoard_test.htm

[Fred]

Fred oh Fred! What 20m !?!?!? No...show me device which will accuratelly detect SINGLE GOLD COIN at 1m depth and i guarantee it will be huge market break through ever!

Hi Ivconic
I was being sarcastic about the 20m, but i am still interested in the possiblitity that log time burried metal could induce an anomaly in the natural electric field above earth (to resume)...
Instead of detecting the metal itself, (that as we know can only be detected at short distance),detecting this effect could be done farther away.

[ivconic]

Actually it can. It is producing some sort of "hallo" or simillar...right now i can not explain what it is. But...benefits from that "hallo" effect or whatever, are not great..at least not so great to allow you to detect coin at 10 times or more distance than without it.
I already posted some of my experiences...somewhere on this forum.
Let me repeat one example;
once i detected and dug iron arrow from 30-35cm (if i remember good) in the ground. Soil was wet so there was some mud on arrow. I rubed it with fingers and removed mud. It was dry in a minute and almost clean from mud. Than i checked it in air...to detect. Detector bairly detected it at 20cm distance in air??? So...again i checked hole and arround it, to see if there is some other metal. No...nothing.
This i experienced also many times later on the fields. With various items and various types of metal. Longer the period, metal was in soil - better detection and more stronger hallo effect.
But... usually i do collect old roman coins, 1500-2000 years being in the ground. Enough to produce strong hallo effect? Yes, i think more than enough.So...all the benefits from it, i've seen so far were 3-5cm more in ground for single coin. Larger items also...
Hoard....recently burried could be detected at 40-50cm with so so detector (depends of hoard quantity and area that it poops, but let's take 50 coins hoard as an example). But hoard (same one) which is 1500 years in the ground can successfully be detected at 60-80 cm.....but not 2m...3m..20m...or 100m !!!! Not possiblle!
So...you see; there are some benefits from hallo effect.....but not that great.

[Esteban]

Actually it can. It is producing some sort of "hallo" or simillar...right now i can not explain what it is. But...benefits from that "hallo" effect or whatever, are not great..at least not so great to allow you to detect coin at 10 times or more distance than without it.
I already posted some of my experiences...somewhere on this forum.
Let me repeat one example;
once i detected and dug iron arrow from 30-35cm (if i remember good) in the ground. Soil was wet so there was some mud on arrow. I rubed it with fingers and removed mud. It was dry in a minute and almost clean from mud. Than i checked it in air...to detect. Detector bairly detected it at 20cm distance in air??? So...again i checked hole and arround it, to see if there is some other metal. No...nothing.
This i experienced also many times later on the fields. With various items and various types of metal. Longer the period, metal was in soil - better detection and more stronger hallo effect.
But... usually i do collect old roman coins, 1500-2000 years being in the ground. Enough to produce strong hallo effect? Yes, i think more than enough.So...all the benefits from it, i've seen so far were 3-5cm more in ground for single coin. Larger items also...
Hoard....recently burried could be detected at 40-50cm with so so detector (depends of hoard quantity and area that it poops, but let's take 50 coins hoard as an example). But hoard (same one) which is 1500 years in the ground can successfully be detected at 60-80 cm.....but not 2m...3m..20m...or 100m !!!! Not possiblle!
So...you see; there are some benefits from hallo effect.....but not that great.

Of course, not with an only method...

[ivconic]

"Hallo" effect or whatever we called it, exist. No doubts.
But main question here is ; can we detect/locate it at long distances? I never succed that, neither anybody else i know. That is the problem.

[Morgan]

LRL obsession

That´s strange Why do you wish such video should not be made, if it shows CLEARLY how the device works ?
Of course i am talking about a real video, not the one we are thinking about, wich completely ruins the remains of credit (??) of the one who made it, as long as any serious LRL experimenter like you.
After all this is the best way to convince some people to study the "phenomenon", and learn about it...

TO ALL SKEPTICS IN THIS FORUM

I sugest all the LRL skeptics take one final decision to stop doubts about the so called PHENOMENON. This decision consist in one of you come here to my field test and try the Pistoldetektor,and transmit to the other skeptics all the information about this PHENOMENON,LRL behavior,deep of the targets,why its possible to find other metal alloys,etc,can record allin one film.

Special role

1-Targets in my field test cant be dig out.

2-PD cant be study in the inner parts(Omega+Ferrites) or dismantel,in respect to Alonso the inventor.

3-Other targets out of my field test can be dig out and study.

When the SKEPTICS team find someone to come here,just let me know and i will give my adress and meet with the person.

Hope its useful for study the PHENOMENON,i´m sure its not ionic but electromagnetic disturbances produced with hig conductive metals underground.

Regards to all

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Morgan,

What country do you live in?

[Morgan]

World LRL best seller

Fred oh Fred! What 20m !?!?!? No...show me device which will accuratelly detect SINGLE GOLD COIN at 1m depth and i guarantee it will be huge market break through ever! White's,Minelab,Fisher, Garrett and Cscope will bust in no time...just show me that device!
People, friends, fellas....and "enemies"...what we are talking about here???
What "meters"??? We all do know very good what are endest limits of REAL coin detection in SOIL.....30-40cm..and that is all. First metal detector, LRL or any other kind of apparatus which can beat that depth would be world bestseller! BUT...must be provable in front of anybodys eyes, in any country, in any soil....in hands of any operater.

I know that...
And i propose one agreement :

After skeptics try the PD,and find it useful for TH,if they want to know all the secrets SHOULD PAY TO ALONSO FOR THIS INFORMATIONS(only if he agree). I want one part of the production,other for Esteban and Alonso should be contacted to start the massive production.

[ivconic]

That is good idea. But test must be performed far away from your soil. Soil, terrain... randomly choosen by man who is about to visit you.
But, seriously i have doubts that anybody is ready to spend such money on trip and lost many days to some trivial pursuit like that.
I guess you are also counting on that. So less chance that ever to happen.
Besides...in the past we seen same claims upon almost all Mineoro products. Many forum members already had chance to see those devices in action, and....nothing! Not working... So..?
You must understand our scepticism. So many contraproofs and none of real proofs. Neither one.

[Esteban]

"Hallo" effect or whatever we called it, exist. No doubts.
But main question here is ; can we detect/locate it at long distances? I never succed that, neither anybody else i know. That is the problem.

Ivconic, look, don't know in reality what happens, but is possible with no much sensitive method cover 5 meters, but deppend what system you use. The more long I "invent" was capable to find treasure of all silver items at 70 m and at depth only 70 cm. With this sensitive system, electric lines are problem. If you isolate, don't detect or distance is "short". This system use as input CA3046 array transistors, with gain 1,000 times and 1 uA sensibility. Of course, this is not the only circuit. The signal out of the CA3046 go to a stretcher based on 741. Output of this go to the beep generator, any stage with independent battery, this is important.

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

PD

Hi Ivconic
I was being sarcastic about the 20m, but i am still interested in the possiblitity that log time burried metal could induce an anomaly in the natural electric field above earth (to resume)...
Instead of detecting the metal itself, (that as we know can only be detected at short distance),detecting this effect could be done farther away.

Yes,sure PD detects at long distance the anomaly caused by conductive metals.This distances are impossible for normal metal detector.
My experiences with PD everybody from this forum know very well. I realy dont know very well if PD can detect 1k gold 200m,but i´m sure 15m is possible. Also small gold or silver objects can be detected at distances like 1m to 5m or more. Depth can be near the surface or more deep.but i never found one single coin buried more than 50cm,and the hoard of silver coins was 80cm underground...

[ivconic]

I know that...
And i propose one agreement :

After skeptics try the PD,and find it useful for TH,if they want to know all the secrets SHOULD PAY TO ALONSO FOR THIS INFORMATIONS(only if he agree). I want one part of the production,other for Esteban and Alonso should be contacted to start the massive production.

It is not a problem to pay for such revolutionary device. It would not be a problem at all. If i am sure i can find hoards of roman coins and jewelry with such device...heck..it will repay all the costs with one single find.
I am sure there are people on this forum with fat bank accounts. No problem to collect money for something payable. But first we must see and experience such device..right?

[J_Player]

I know that...
And i propose one agreement :

After skeptics try the PD,and find it useful for TH,if they want to know all the secrets SHOULD PAY TO ALONSO FOR THIS INFORMATIONS(only if he agree). I want one part of the production,other for Esteban and Alonso should be contacted to start the massive production.

Hi Morgan,
Alonso cannot legally be paid for production of his machine, because the circuitry he used is in violation of international copyright laws. He must use a design that originated from himself, and secure copyright and patent protection before he can legally charge money for for a massive production. He could also pay royalties to the owners of the copyrights to use their circuitry if they choose to licence their designs to him.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

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Hi Morgan,

What country do you live in?

I imagine you already know,im from Portugal.
If you come for some holidays,let me know

[Esteban]

A question: patent expires in 17 years?