The so-called PHENOMENON

[J_Player]

No scientis told us. We, many years ago, with our empiric methods and meditions conclude that the phenomenon is complex: electricity, magnetism, chemical combinations, ions, and maybe associated with RF.

Regards

Hi Esteban,

Yes, scientists told us. There are more than 1 million online pages showing what scientists told us about this. We also have books written since the turn of the century showing the association between underground metal or other geological anomalies and variations in magnetic fields, electric fields, RF and other measurable effects. In the late 1920s through the 1950s many researchers published their findings showing how radio broadcast waves were influenced by anomalies of metal and other geological formations below the ground as well as above the ground.

I don't know who you are referring to when you say "we". But if you are referring to the early researchers from late 1800s through 1950, then I suppose you are correct. After many years of taking field measurements, they did empirically conclude that the phenmomenon is complex, judging from their publications and the diagrams they drew to chart the resulting anomalies in the RF fields.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Ok Esteban,
So i suppose a sphere would be even better.
and if a sphere is better, to experiment a sphere with a spike in it.
Problem is if we need to wait a few years between each experiment.

Spherical objects as old rings also are better detectable. Don't understand why you need wait between each experiment.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,

Yes, scientists told us. There are more than 1 million online pages showing what scientists told us about this. We also have books written since the turn of the century showing the association between underground metal or other geological anomalies and variations in magnetic fields, electric fields, RF and other measurable effects. In the late 1920s through the 1950s many researchers published their findings showing how radio broadcast waves were influenced by anomalies below the ground as well as above the ground.

I don't know who you are referring to when you say "we". But if you are referring to the early researchers from late 1800s through 1950, then I suppose you are correct. Aftere many years of taking field measurements, they did empirically conclude that the phenmomenon is complex, based on the diagrams they drew to chart the resulting anomalies in the RF fields.

Best wishes,
J_P

I say "we" because no learning in "very" scientific materials. The most are pressumptions... of course based on characteristics of metals as conductivity...

[Qiaozhi]

Esteban,what about aluminium? it is a metal wich oxydes rapidly and is reactive.

Interesting : Bronze yes, aluminium no,iron not much, this is a clue!

If the bronze is round as coin or buttons, round form, or circular as buckle, better.

This dependence on physical shape would imply that eddy currents are an important aspect in detection ... but, at the distances you are discussing, any eddy currents would be miniscule and undetectable.

[Esteban]

This dependence on physical shape would imply that eddy currents are an important aspect in detection ... but, at the distances you are discussing, any eddy currents would be miniscule and undetectable.

Don't know if eddy currents are useful factor in electronic LRL...

[J_Player]

I say "we" because no learning in "very" scientific materials. The most are pressumptions... of course based on characteristics of metals as conductivity...

The scientists made no presumptions when they took soil samples and used chemicals titrations and very precise calibrated electronic instruments to detect the presence of metal ions. These were observed results, not presmptions. They made no presumptions when they observed these metal ions are no longer ions at the surface. They measured the weight of metal compounds that they found, and the absence of metal ions at the surface or above, unlike the presence of metal ions they measured and observed taking column shapes below the surface.

Are you sure they presumed these ions are located in the columns where they claim they measured them? Are you sure they were presuming there is not a metal ion anomaly at or above the surface when their tests failed to find any metal ions above the surface?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Spherical objects as old rings also are better detectable. Don't understand why you need wait between each experiment.

Because if you want to try a new shape you have to dig and replace the object, but by doing so you destroy the phenomenon, right?

This dependence on physical shape would imply that eddy currents are an important aspect in detection ... but, at the distances you are discussing, any eddy currents would be miniscule and undetectable.

Yes, and material would not be so important i think:aluminium is a good conductor too.But irregular shapes helps to leak HV.

[Esteban]

The scientists made no presumptions when they took soil samples and used chemicals titrations and very precise calibrated electronic instruments to detect the presence of metal ions. These were observed results, not presmptions. They made no presumptions when they observed these metal ions are no longer ions at the surface. They measured the weight of metal compounds that they found, and the absence of metal ions at the surface or above, unlike the presence of metal ions they measured and observed taking column shapes below the surface.

Are you sure they presumed these ions are located in the columns where they claim they measured them? Are you sure they were presuming when their tests failed to find any metal ions above the surface?

Best wishes,
J_P

No, I made sometimes presumptions. No the scientifics, even if sometimes they suspect about some phenomenons based on previous knowledges...

[Esteban]

Because if you want to try a new shape you have to dig and replace the object, but by doing so you destroy the phenomenon, right?

No, you can test it finding objects "natural" buried. You go on locations and try the detectors.

[Max]

Interesting : Bronze yes, aluminium no,iron not much, this is a clue!

A clue ?

I think explaination is about easy... and empiric...

Iron rust and dissolves over the years if not thick or compact enough. So not big issue...

Aluminium production was just by after 1825 (though the electricity required to product it made its diffusion before 1900 very rare in the world... if not impossible to find in many places , including Paraguay).

So, always assuming the LRLs work as he said, the OLD buried aluminium is max 100 years old there... but probably much is just from less than 60years... foil... pull-tabs etc
Sure not few time... but enough to develop a strong halo or "phenomenon" ?

He wrote of 30years old cans if I remember well... in that case seems the cans developed strong halo stuff...

I, indeed think that aluminium is really easy detectable if bronze or copper are, don't forget that gold have similar magnetic behaviour as aluminium... that's why using too much disc in an VLF to avoid pull-tabs (aluminium) it's really likly kill your gold ring founds too!

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Here is not rare the aluminium... beer cans exist since decades and other 1,000 kinds of kitchen recipients made from him, but not all the pistols detects it. The absorptive pistol can detect items buried 5-10 years. I remember I detect with it very easy a Nintendo token with a new coin, the both in the same place, one very near the other, "in touch", but seems also here exist a kind of bimetalic effect, because this detection was very very clear. But a "cemetery" of beer cans don't be detected, I surrounded it, and zero detection.

[Morgan]

Capt.Poo

You posted just BS... your data about PD were fake... your description of its behaviour is just a copy and paste of other "gurus" here...

I think your PD can just find noise.

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Captain p00p

I think the other skeptics are learning something about LRL,but you become each time more and more BURRO ...

[Morgan]

Max disturb RS forum

I think that all metal detectorists have experienced this "halo" at some time. For iron, copper, etc., it is easy to explain, but there is no reason why the "halo" should exist for a gold coin, or similar object. Of course, in some cases the object was not actually at the claimed depth at all, but was lodged in the side wall. Then the detectorist does not notice when it falls into the bottom of the hole. This can easily explain what's happening in some cases, especially if you use DD coils, which can often prove troublesome when poinpointing. In one particular case I know that this did not happen to me, because I was on my knees scratching out the soil from a deep hole with my hand, and I uncovered the coin at the bottom. It was a 1797 George III copper coin. This was one of the first early coins to be minted in the new-fangled steam presses of the time.
Without the soil in place, it was not possible to detect this coin at the bottom of the hole.
I have never experienced this "halo" for either silver or gold.

Is any way to put MAX out of the RS project ?
He already said PD is a CRAP,so he is only disturbing people here.
I vote against Max in RS project

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

This is an excellent idea. There is no need to make arguments and try to guess, when you can see with your own eyes. If I lived in Europe, I would definitely go to see. Portugal is a very nice place, and Morgan can show you the best places to visit after you see his pistol detector and other LRLs finding treasure.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I would like at least other 2 persons, not alone. It is different if 3 or more persons check the PD from Morgan and say "OK, it work", and different if only Geo see it. Some people will say maybe Geo did not saw well, maybe he is friend with Morgan etc.

Regards

[ivconic]

Hi J_P.
I would like at least other 2 persons, not alone. It is different if 3 or more persons check the PD from Morgan and say "OK, it work", and different if only Geo see it. Some people will say maybe Geo did not saw well, maybe he is friend with Morgan etc.

Regards

But also "he" is friend with ivconic - the sceptic! So...I know Geo is descent man and he will act fair about this.
Geo it is very good idea - trip to Portugal.
I am very sorry cose i can't afford it right now.
It is not the question of beleive and faith here. It is just good more people to examine it. More eyes,more brains, more experiences, more knowledge.
So..i am looking forward to hear news. Also, you bring camera and shot some videos so later to put on youtube or here.
Soon as i collect enough informations on this, i would start making it and try to achieve some results. Of course; this forum would be the place to post experiences.