The so-called PHENOMENON

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry JP, I don't have the time for all the stupid questions and remarks that follow.

One would wonder then why you bother to post here at all.

You folks have made it quite clear for years that you are not interested in my 40 years of Treasure Hunting field experience, which encompasses field comparisons with most Treasure Hunting & recovery technologies.

It's a pity that you are unable to learn, from the innumerable amount of criticism you receive, whenever you try to impart your so-called "40 years of Treasure Hunting field experience" to a wider audience. It is not only here on the Geotech website that you try to push your own brand of pseudo-science, but also on other sites, where your comments are less than welcome. This must be one of the few sites where you have not yet been banned. No wonder you still come here for the occasional kicking.

I now relegate a small amount of time to viewing this forum, and an occasional comment, and shaking my head and smiling in disbelief at the Skeptic's intellect on this forum.

Believe me ... there's even more head shaking happening in the skeptics' arena.

I've watched in disbelief for several years as you folks have fumbled thru concepts and far out theory's to try to figure out how Frequency Discrimination, LRL's or Dowsing works, only to conclude that it doesn't, and those that are doing what you say can't be done, are liars, frauds, and scam artists. That's not a mentality I can respect.

You give your MFD "technology" far too much credit. There is little to no figuring out required. The whole idea is just complete crap, and not worth the hot glue that's used in the construction of these worthless devices.

So no thanks, to your request for me to elaborate. I will say, I use the KISS method, and my most recent blind comparison tests, between a magnetometer, and a pair of Dowsing Rods, demonstrated there is a definite correlation between the magnetic "strength of field" of the earth, and the reaction of a pair of Copper, hand held, Dowsing Rods, to the SOF of buried magnetic, and non-magnetic anomalies.

I guess by blind you mean that you conducted the tests with your eyes shut, as you clearly have no idea what double-blind testing entails.

Idiots will mock, but for those of you with interest, this will give you a start in the direction of learning for your self. Good Luck!

Substitute "those of you with interest" for "gullible suckers with soon-to-be empty wallets" and it starts to make more sense. The only true part of your rant is that the "suckers" will definitely be buying an education.

Skeptics, don't bother trying to waste my time with idiotic questions. I won't be replying. Dell

OK - I won't ask any then, as you seem incapable of answering anyway.
But you might do JP the courtesy of answering the ones he's posted.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[J_Player]

You folks have made it quite clear for years that you are not interested in my 40 years of Treasure Hunting field experience, which encompasses field comparisons with most Treasure Hunting & recovery technologies.

Hi Dell,
Actually I tried to make it quite clear that I am interested in your Treasure Hunting field experience. This is why I asked questions about it (see below).

Can you tell us the facts about the hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, let's focus on a single one of the tests you conducted.

Pick out any one of your hundreds of double blind you want to use for an example:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? something else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

When
And of course, can be detect by an electronic LRL via secondary effect, maybe a kind of "electric cloud", because when you remove the target, the site "breath". But I think also some gas trapped can produce it.

Regards

Hi Esteban. As with my lrl, where when i moved the gold coin, it located the old and the new position for 5...10 minutes. My coins was not inside the ground, so it was not a gas trapped that can produced it.
Regards

[J_Player]

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, that positively proves okantex, estaban, geo, know much more about earth Science than you can possibly imagine.

You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity.

Originally posted by J_Player
Can you tell us the facts about the hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, let's focus on a single one of the tests you conducted.

Pick out any one of your hundreds of double blind you want to use for an example:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? something else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?


Originally posted by Dell Winders
...Skeptics, don't bother trying to waste my time with idiotic questions.

Is it an idiotic question? Aren't readers of this forum interested in reading the details of a double blind test that proves dowsing works once and for all?

We have Dell's word that he conducted hundreds of double blind tests on the use of dowsing rods. But when asked to tell us some details of his double blind tests, he says I am wasting his time with idiotic questions.

It seems to me that skeptics, dowsers and the undecided would like to see the details of Dell's hundreds of double blind tests, so they can know once and for all that it works, or it doesn't. Since Dell never lies, we can be assured that Dell did not cheat on the double blind testing methods or results that were determined by the proctor. Yet he refuses to give any information about the double blind tests he conducted.

How can Dell tell people "You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity" when he refuses to post his double blind test details so all of us can read the results that were determined by the proctor? The double blind test results would verify the whether there was some egotistical stupidity or not.

Is it possible that Dell did lie?
Is it possible that Dell never conducted any double blind tests?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Is it an idiotic question? Aren't readers of this forum interested in reading the details of a double blind test that proves dowsing works once and for all?

We have Dell's word that he conducted hundreds of double blind tests on the use of dowsing rods. But when asked to tell us some details of his double blind tests, he says I am wasting his time with idiotic questions.

It seems to me that skeptics, dowsers and the undecided would like to see the details of Dell's hundreds of double blind tests, so they can know once and for all that it works, or it doesn't. Since Dell never lies, we can be assured that Dell did not cheat on the double blind testing methods or results that were determined by the proctor. Yet he refuses to give any information about the double blind tests he conducted.

How can Dell tell people "You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity" when he refuses to post his double blind test details so all of us can read the results that were determined by the proctor? The double blind test results would verify the whether there was some egotistical stupidity or not.

Is it possible that Dell did lie?
Is it possible that Dell never conducted any double blind tests?


Best wishes,
J_P

Are you sure these questions are not rhetorical?

Dell has no intention of answering any of these, simply because he cannot give a sensible response that doesn't involve name calling.

[J_Player]

Are you sure these questions are not rhetorical?

Dell has no intention of answering any of these, simply because he cannot give a sensible response that doesn't involve name calling.

Oh.

I thought Dell has no intention of answering any of these because maybe he lied about conducting over 100 double blind tests on dowsing rods.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

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[Fred]

I was not skeptic some time ago, and could have bought one of his devices if he had answered simples questions or showed some evidence that they work.But he never answered and gave me the feeling i should not make questions, just blindly believe some incredible stuff.
So maybe i am not stupid enought, but as there is no proof at all that this stuff is real my conclusion is that is is scam.

[Jim]

Dell Winders Sidestep Show

Sorry JP, I don't have the time for all the stupid questions and remarks that follow.

You folks have made it quite clear for years that you are not interested in my 40 years of Treasure Hunting field experience, which encompasses field comparisons with most Treasure Hunting & recovery technologies.

I now relegate a small amount of time to viewing this forum, and an occasional comment, and shaking my head and smiling in disbelief at the Skeptic's intellect on this forum.

I do appreciate the time and effort it takes for you to collect and put together internet searches into an interesting single category. Thank you for that.

I've watched in disbelief for several years as you folks have fumbled thru concepts and far out theory's to try to figure out how Frequency Discrimination, LRL's or Dowsing works, only to conclude that it doesn't, and those that are doing what you say can't be done, are liars, frauds, and scam artists. That's not a mentality I can respect.

So no thanks, to your request for me to elaborate. I will say, I use the KISS method, and my most recent blind comparison tests, between a magnetometer, and a pair of Dowsing Rods, demonstrated there is a definite correlation between the magnetic "strength of field" of the earth, and the reaction of a pair of Copper, hand held, Dowsing Rods, to the SOF of buried magnetic, and non-magnetic anomalies.

Idiots will mock, but for those of you with interest, this will give you a start in the direction of learning for your self. Good Luck!

Skeptics, don't bother trying to waste my time with idiotic questions. I won't be replying. Dell

Its the one-step...two-step...sidestep show!

Now, watch as some idiot mocks this post!

[Theseus]

I was not skeptic some time ago, and could have bought one of his devices if he had answered simples questions or showed some evidence that they work.But he never answered and gave me the feeling i should not make questions, just blindly believe some incredible stuff.
So maybe i am not stupid enought, but as there is no proof at all that this stuff is real my conclusion is that is is scam.

Precisely!! I started out the same way, as an open-minded skeptic determined to learn the truth of the matter. I know of no other way to learn the truth except by asking questions of those alleging to know more than myself about a particular subject. Now, many years later - I DO KNOW THE TRUTH! (Of course it did not take me "years" to learn the truth; it happened in about 3 short months.) I would have to give 90% of the credit, for me learning the truth, to none other than Dell Winders. It was his immediate and constant, name-calling, side-stepping of simple questions, and finally his outright lies and BS rhetoric that convinced me his (and other LRL scammers) were selling total snake oil, without a hint of validation from the rational world of science and physics.

Thanks to Dell, for his aid in helping me to learn the truth about him and others just like him. They prey on the gullible and technically-challenged, in an effort to rob some poor fellow out of his ready cash in return for a do-nothing over-priced dowsing contraption that has the same ability to find treasure as throwing lawn darts and random digging.

[Qiaozhi]

Oh.

I thought Dell has no intention of answering any of these because maybe he lied about conducting over 100 double blind tests on dowsing rods.

Best wishes,
J_P

Well there is that small point to consider as well.

We know that the DB tests he did with Randi were a dismal failure, and produced results no better than guessing, so the other 100s of tests must either be of the "eyes shut" variety, or were the product of an overactive imagination.

Perhaps "double blind" to Dell means having both eyes shut.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban. As with my lrl, where when i moved the gold coin, it located the old and the new position for 5...10 minutes. My coins was not inside the ground, so it was not a gas trapped that can produced it.
Regards

Maybe deppend of the device you use.

[J_Player]

I was not skeptic some time ago, and could have bought one of his devices if he had answered simples questions or showed some evidence that they work.But he never answered and gave me the feeling i should not make questions, just blindly believe some incredible stuff. So maybe i am not stupid enought, but as there is no proof at all that this stuff is real my conclusion is that is is scam.

Originally posted by Theseus:
Precisely!! I started out the same way, as an open-minded skeptic determined to learn the truth of the matter. I know of no other way to learn the truth except by asking questions of those alleging to know more than myself about a particular subject

Hmmmm....
I also was not skeptical before listening to Dell Winders.
It is beginning to look like Dell created his own skeptics. I wonder how many people come into this forum to ask Dell a question, only to find that Dell will not answer it, and will call them and egotistical idiotic skeptic from Carl's skeptic cult if they don't blindly believe whatever Dell tells them?

Could it be that Dell has created all these skeptics for his own purposes?
But why would Dell want to create skeptics from people who have not yet formed an opinion?

One answer that comes to mind is because he needs a reason to explain his LRL business failure. How can he explain this unless he has someone to point his finger at? It couldn't be Dell's own failure to convince people his gizmoes work that caused him to fail in the LRL business... therefore it must be somebody else who caused people to not buy his junk. So Dell created a new term to explain the mystery of his LRL business failure: "Carl's skeptic cult"

There is only one problem with Dell's explanation....
I am not part of any skeptic cult run by Carl or anyone else. I have never been skeptical about metal ions in the ground where long time buried metals are buried. In fact, I was one of the first people to give a real argument against Carl's notion that long time buried gold is the same as freshly buried gold. I also do not agree with people who think that there is no plausible method to detect long time buried gold from a greater distance than a conventional metal detector can find it.

The cult does not exist.
It is simply a word that was invented by Dell Winders to label anyone who will not blindly believe whatever he says.
It is part of "hillbilly logic" that Dell has adopted:

1. It helps me to sell Omnitron LRLs = Good, rational logic
2. It does not help me to sell Omnitron LRLs = Bad, irrational logic
3. People who will not believe me are skeptics from Carl's skeptic cult

So how did I come to considered part of "Carl's skeptic cult"? How did anyone become part of this cult?
I would speculate that there are more forum members than Fred and me who were not skeptical about what Dell says until after we heard what he said, and learned he was not willing to back up anything he says. He won't even back up his alleged double blind tests he says he performed to prove the rods work. Yet people who do not blindly believe whatever Dell says gets thrown into the skeptic cult, and are the branded as the people who caused Dell's LRL business failure.

I guess they are in Dell's mind.
After all, none of them bought an LRL from Dell, did they?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Well there is that small point to consider as well.

We know that the DB tests he did with Randi were a dismal failure, and produced results no better than guessing, so the other 100s of tests must either be of the "eyes shut" variety, or were the product of an overactive imagination.

Perhaps "double blind" to Dell means having both eyes shut.

So say that these double blind tests... were made a'la Kubrik...

Interesting that Dell like these kind of things...

But I'm sure he will deny that... hope he found some drill instructor like this... when was (cause he was ? I guess... ) called by uncle Sam...

seems to me Dell was good for the gomer pyle role...

Kind regards,
Max

[Dell Winders]

Teaching dummies the difference in terminology and definition between a rifle, and a gun.

"This is my rifle, this is my gun.
My rifle is for fighting,
My gun is for fun."

Like teaching dummies the difference between Frequency Discrimination (physics) and Dowsing (meta-Physics) both applications can be metered with hand held Rod(s) Dell