How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Max]

Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.



As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.


OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

Oh... what a mess of hot melt glue!

I think that if he'll smoke all that stuff... will need some oxigen then... like this one!

Better if Dell will buy some ...ehm..."herbs"... I think!

Hopefully will wrote less BS... and smile from time to time...

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Fred, with that mentality,you would make a good cosmetic salesman. Taking full responsibility for someone else's beauty product and personally guaranteeing every woman who purchased from you would become beautiful.

Dell, there is YOUR name on it ! you are not just a reseller, by puting your label you endorse the responsability.
Of course, if what you say is that the DELL stuff that you sold has nothing with you,that the TM has nothing to do with "trade mark" , well say no more we all can understand what you are doing...

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.

So what products have you built ?

[Qiaozhi]

I was also a Whites, metal detector dealer. They have a Factory Warranty. Vernell, had a factory warranty. I am not responsible for the way White's manufacture their detectors, nor am I responsible for the way Vernell, manufactures their detectors. I am, and do accept full responsibility for the products I build, and the products I sold that I hired an EE to build for me.

But did you remove the Whites logo and replace it with a Dell label?
I doubt it.

KLONDIKE, You are rehashing the same old questions that have already been answered. My answers haven't changed.

Correction - your non-answers haven't changed.
When will you answer the questions asked by JP and CC?

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

That's probably the worst excuse you have ever given!
What "person" would sell a product that has been re-branded with their own name, and then be unable to explain the meaning of T.M.
Perhaps we should throw this open to the forum ... answers on a postcard please.

Again, the accusation that I use hot glue in the products I build is a lie.

How many more pictures do we need to post showing enclosures labelled with the Dell logo and filled with hot glue?

You cannot justify lies with repeating asinine questions.

Supply satisfactory answers, and the questions will cease.

Pathetic are your acts of denial.

Yoda speak?

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum where you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

Right here!
Any product that relies on L-rods is crap and a scam. Period.
Is that good enough?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

Keep practicing the mis-direction, it still needs a lot of work.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.

Selective memory in a single post! ..... repetition.

You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance. Dell

We are only interested in the truth, and the answers to JP's and CC's questions, not name calling.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[Max]

voices from inside...

Does Dell hear the voices ?

That will explain many things...

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

No Dell,
We do not have to contact Vernon Rose to get information about who sold the electronic LRL marked "Dell T.M. V.R. 800 -- Omnitron System II Anomaly Qualifier". We already know who sold it. The customer who bought the merchandise marked with your brand name (shown below) told us who sold it to him. It was you, Dell Winders.

Now I look at the posts that you answered above. Why didn't you answer my questions?
Am I the only person who posted questions that you do not want the answers known?

Tell us Dell.... Did you sell the electronic LRLs that Vernon Rose built with your Dell Omnitron label on it to unsuspecting customers?
Were they supposed to believe it is your product because you sold it with your brand name on the enclosure? Or were they supposed to believe it was some evil product made by an EE using hot melt glue?

Do you want us to believe you never read this? ---> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73299

Tell us Dell, Who did design and manufacture the Dell VR 800 Omnitron System II anomaly qualifier?
Didn't you sell non-working junk electronic LRLs designed by an EE.
Wasn't it an EE named Vernon Rose? Isn't all your complaining about skeptics never naming names and companies just a lie?
Were you also lying when you said you never lie?

OK Dell,
You previously complained that skeptics don't name names, products and electronics people.
But I showed you where Carl and I named names, products, and electronics people.
Now it's your turn:

1. Take a close look at the label on the picture below: Whose trademark do you see on the electronic LRL? Is it the Dell Omnitron label?
2. Isn't it true that you sold the electronic LRL shown in the picture with the Dell V.R. 800 Omnitron label on it?
3. Isn't it true that Vernon Rose designed and built these electronic LRLs that you sold for well over a couple thousand dollars?
4. Isn't it true that I named Vernon Rose as the person who manufactured this electronic junk LRL?
5. Isn't it true that Carl posted a complete expose and report on the electronic LRL designed and built by Vernon Rose?
6. Isn't it outright fraud to sell merchandise with your label on it that you know doesn't work?

It seems that the claims Dell posted in his post above are all false.
The appearance is that Dell uses "pretend truth" when he makes statements in this forum.
Maybe he pretends that he never lies.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

That's probably the worst excuse you have ever given!
What "person" would sell a product that has been re-branded with their own name, and then be unable to explain the meaning of T.M.
Perhaps we should throw this open to the forum ... answers on a postcard please.

OK - I'll get the ball rolling ...

Dell T.M. stands for:

1. Total Make-believe (pseudo-scientific version)
2. Total Merde (the French version)
3. Transcendental Meditation (trained ideomotor response version, comes complete with wacky baccy)
4. Transverse Mode (something Dell once heard an EE discussing, and thought it sounded cool)
5. Trade Mark (cannot be that, as Dell claims he had nothing to do with the label)
6. Turing Machine (no chance)

Any other ideas? (But keep it clean...)

[Fred]

Totally Meanless
True Moneymaker

[Theseus]

Time Machine

Trickery Mostly

Thompson Machinegun

Tracking Meter

Too Much

Tin Man

................ and the winner is!!!!!

Trickery Mostly

[Fred]

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

Really i am shocked by what is written above.I always thought that Dell was an ocasional scammer,a poor guy that bend a few brass rods and cut PVC pipe to raise some money so he can buy the real metal detector of his dreams.
But with this i understand he is a professional one, that already took the needed legal precautions BEFORE selling the first units to escape future problems.
Man, that is shocking.
I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.

[Qiaozhi]

OK - I'll get the ball rolling ...

Dell T.M. stands for:

1. Total Make-believe (pseudo-scientific version)
2. Total Merde (the French version)
3. Transcendental Meditation (trained ideomotor response version, comes complete with wacky baccy)
4. Transverse Mode (something Dell once heard an EE discussing, and thought it sounded cool)
5. Trade Mark (cannot be that, as Dell claims he had nothing to do with the label)
6. Turing Machine (no chance)

Any other ideas? (But keep it clean...)

Totally Meanless
True Moneymaker

Time Machine

Trickery Mostly

Thompson Machinegun

Tracking Meter

Too Much

Tin Man

................ and the winner is!!!!!

Trickery Mostly

Well ... I'm very disappointed guys!!

The bleeding obvious answer is ..........

Trick of the Mind

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[Clondike Clad]

Well ... I'm very disappointed guys!!

The bleeding obvious answer is ..........

Trick of the Mind

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

T.M.=TAKING MONEY

[Theseus]

I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.

Are you kidding? Every Wallet-miner scammer knows that what they are selling is nothing more than "guessing" neatly wrapped to look like something else.

That fact was obvious when they put the junk contraptions up for sale, instead of using the stuff themselves - to make a fortune. All their crap works as a treasure finder EXACTLY once; when your money transfers into their bank account. They found treasure, and you got screwed.

[Max]

T.M.=TAKING MONEY

or... also... TURDS MANIFACTURING
...

AKA producing BS

[J_Player]

Really i am shocked by what is written above.I always thought that Dell was an ocasional scammer,a poor guy that bend a few brass rods and cut PVC pipe to raise some money so he can buy the real metal detector of his dreams.
But with this i understand he is a professional one, that already took the needed legal precautions BEFORE selling the first units to escape future problems.
Man, that is shocking.
I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.

Hi Fred,
Dell says "You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance". Yet he tries to conceal the truth whenever we ask for the facts. Here is Dell's current strategy: Accuse the skeptics of never catching electronic engineers making scam LRLs, and accuse them of only attacking Dell Winders, because he does not use fake electronics in his LRLs. See here what Dell posted as per his current strategy:

Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! Dell

However, Dell does not want you to know he sold electronic LRLs with rods for $3495 USD designed and made by electronics engineers or technicians. Guess who the designer and manufacturer of his Dell Sysems V.R. 800 Omnitron Sysyem II Anomaly Qualifier was? (Hint: V.R. = Vernon Rose).

What are the facts about the Dell Systems V.R. 800 Omnitron LRL you saw in the photos that Dell sold?. If Dell Winders wants you to believe he had nothing to do with the Dell Sysems V.R. 800 Omnitron System II Anomaly Qualifier labeling, don't believe him. When asked about this LRL, Here is what Dell said in the Geotech forum:

I added the name "Dell Systems" to "Omnitron" to make the distinction between other manufacturers "Omnitron" and my own.

Dell had very much to do with the labeling of the Dell Systems Omnitron LRLs. He said so himself! And Dell had the power to decide to sell them or not. So what do you think he did? Did he sell electronic LRLs with rods for more money than the FD product that only costs $1000?

Hey Dell, I think you sold the Dell Systems V.R. 800 Omnitron model shown for $3495 USD. Do you deny this Dell?
Didn't you say this?: "If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it.You are going to get ripped off. Run!"
Should we run from you Dell? is $3495 USD too much to pay for the electronic LRLs you sold, Dell?

I am not even sure anymore that he truly believes that the Lrods works.

Of course he doesn't! He even said so in the Geotech forum: "...operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for my use in 1988." From: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=22 So Dell knew the Vernon Rose designed LRLs he was selling with his "Dell Systems" label were "impractical" for his own use by 1988, yet he sold them to his customers. Is it any wonder Carl-NC was able to buy a used one for pennies on the dollar from one of Dell's customers?

BTW, Nice of Carl to buy that gizmoe, and take the thing apart to show us what is inside.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Talking out of the side of your face

And now for some comic relief…

Have ya ever winderd what an LRL salesman looks like when soliciting his product? Well, now we have photographic evidence that they in fact can talk out of the side of their face!

I found this photograph floating around on the internet of Dell Winders, LRL manufacturer/salesperson, enjoying a conversation with what appears to be a captive audience. Nowhere to run…nowhere to hide. The victim’s faces have been blurred to protect the innocent.

YIKES!