The Aurificusian Hypothesis

[Fred]

You are grasping at straws... and random beeps.

Any reason to say this ?
I gave a possible technical explanation, i would expect a real reply, it makes me think you don´t want to hear about a solution

[Theseus]

If there is a change of soil conductivity on a relatively large suface, i supose it could affect the voltage gradient above earth.
This could modify ambient Rf noise level, or be directly measured with almost any of the devices presented by Esteban.
This theory of course need (in)validation.
About the IR beam,it could present a "preferencial" path to this way of making the measure, i don´t know how, but for example...drying the air ? Ionizing it ?

If there is a change..... I suppose it could affect..... This could modify.... it could present a "preferential" path..... I don't know how.....

I would be very open to a REAL technical solution, but real solutions by default must be accompanied by real facts, repeatable experiments with valid and supporting outcomes, and be experienced by several observers.

Otherwise all you have are a lot of "could affect", "could modify", "it could" and "I don't know how.... but maybe". There is hardly anything there to hang your hat on... now is there?

[Esteban]

If only buried metals (treasure) actually "caused" these so-called phenomenon, halo or fields. The obvious problem here is; only a select few individuals in just certain parts of the world "claim" to have experienced such things.

I'm afraid that isn't enough to prove the concept. If these phenomenon, halo/fields actually existed, then they could be detected/experienced by any and all observers in all parts of the world.

Who is going to set to think that the phase shift is altered, or increasing a small amount of voltage in the system, by the buried metal? This does not happen with a coil, which transmission is dispersed and of short scope. Here the light of the led, the transmitter, is concentrated more in comparison with the transmission by a coil or a common antenna.

Regards

[Esteban]

Exactly. Whenever you tweak a system to the edge of instability you can never be certain what your detecting ... if anything. Unfortunately the human mind is very good at deceiving itself into believing things that are not true. Self deception, coupled with selective memory and wishful thinking, are the true source of many so-called "phenomenon". It has been stated many times before that double-blind testing is required to show the true nature of the "phenomenon". Without this it's just hearsay.

Sorry, Qioazhi. Here the detection is very accurate, where the "eyes" of the leds are pointed.

[Max]

Who is going to set to think that the phase shift is altered, or increasing a small amount of voltage in the system, by the buried metal? This does not happen with a coil, which transmission is dispersed and of short scope. Here the light of the led, the transmitter, is concentrated more in comparison with the transmission by a coil or a common antenna.

Regards

Hi,
IR leds... like any led stuff have epoxy container and some "cup" stuff... these things have a strong impact on e.g. aperture angle of light emitted... you can test very easy...

use an IR camera or a simple CCD one in low light ...dark room.

Power the led and point horizontal... put the camera vertical above it at 20-30cm from it... then spray around some stuff... like e.g. some deodorant spray thing.

The aerosol stuff made of thiny particles will scatter IR photons you''ll see at camera ... that way you'll see the conic shaped "beam" so the angle.

At meters this kind of propagation will make you "illuminate" several square meters of soil... cause these things are not lasers... their use is mostly for remote controls and it's good for remotes having such large diffusion of IR light, otherwise you'll have to aim the remote to the VCR/DVD thing... (like in cheap chinese stuff, very annoying ! )

If wanna a narrow spot you MUST use a laser module...

So I don't understand which concentration you're talking about ?

As always...

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

I would be very open to a REAL technical solution, but real solutions by default must be accompanied by real facts, repeatable experiments with valid and supporting outcomes, and be experienced by several observers.

I have never claimed to give a REAL technical solution, only one more theorical proposition.
Just like it happened many times before, in this thread with Aurificus and in others before, and Max and JPlayer have constructively and inteligently debated about this IDEA and given information about why it doesn´t work .
I didn´t say "it works" or "here is how it works" , just "it could work that way", based on common sense and previously gathered info.
It´s just a theory, if you don´t like it i respect this that but i was expecting constructive comments.

[detectoman]

my dog what came whit me to desk, whit explanations of esteban lrl tecnic, have built today one own lrl
is joke

[Theseus]

I have never claimed to give a REAL technical solution, only one more theorical proposition.

Oh! I'm sorry, your words were

"...I gave a possible technical explanation..."

I was merely pointing out the attributes of a real technical explanation. Not sure how I could be any more constructive.

Now, if you really meant to say; theoretical proposition, then of course that is something different. I expect we have plenty of those to go around, and yours would be as good as any of the others.

[Max]

my dog what came whit me to desk, whit explanations of esteban lrl tecnic, have built today one own lrl
is joke

Seems your dog is smart enough ... to get Esteban's secrets all at one single request!

What's your dog avatar ???

Maybe had some appeal to him...

Kind regards,
Max

[Aurificus]

You'll not hear the pin drops... cause when the pin will hit the floor it will resonate like a diapason at an audible frequency of some Khz ... but your ears are already full of strong hi volume (amplitude) notes and drums hits by the musicists there... and you're far from the pin.

The pin you'll not hear cause the impact of noise is very great cause the pin resonance happens at audible frequency, the same audible frequency of notes from concert.

Thank you Max, for a very polite and thoughtful response, lots of good info there for people following this thread.


Q.) What if I take my Dog to the concert? He is old and a bit deaf to Low Frequency noise............He Ignores me, even if I yell at him..

He can, however, hear the Ultrasonic Dog Whistle (I can't) or the rattle of my keys at the door (many Ultrasonic noises) and will immediately come home for dinner from 2 blocks away.

I suspect the pin will generate some ultrasonics as well as audible noise.



There is, also, a strong possibility that he CAN hear me, and perhaps even understands some of what I'm saying...... but he chooses to ignore it, because it doesn't suit his dog's world view and agenda.



P.S. I don't really have a dog, but if I did I would not consider locking him out to roam the neighbourhood all day. No yelling at him either.

P.P.S. This post must not be used to imply that any LRL detector is a "dog".

Cheers,
Aurificus

[Aurificus]

What is a Hypothesis?

I have never claimed to give a REAL technical solution, only one more theorical proposition.
Just like it happened many times before, in this thread with Aurificus and in others before, and Max and JPlayer have constructively and inteligently debated about this IDEA and given information about why it doesn´t work .
I didn´t say "it works" or "here is how it works" , just "it could work that way", based on common sense and previously gathered info.
It´s just a theory, if you don´t like it i respect this that but i was expecting constructive comments.

A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις [iˈpoθesis]) consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.

This thread is designed to be exactly that, a Discussion about a suggested explanation(s) for a phenomenon.
i.e. IR LED detection as reported by Esteban & others.

By proposing Theories and being challenged to respond, I have gained a much deeper understanding of what might be occuring to allow Buried Metal Objects to be remotely (and basically passively) located. I'm hoping others are getting something out of it as well.

However, a Discussion on the Criteria for Scientific Proof of LRL, Acceptable "hit rates", Suitable "real" or artificial targets, operater skill. experience, influence etc, etc. etc. are much better presented in the New Thread,
"Criteria for Scientific Proof of LRL" Go for it...

Aurificus

[Aurificus]

Hi,
IR leds... like any led stuff have epoxy container and some "cup" stuff... these things have a strong impact on e.g. aperture angle of light emitted... you can test very easy...

At meters this kind of propagation will make you "illuminate" several square meters of soil... cause these things are not lasers... their use is mostly for remote controls and it's good for remotes having such large diffusion of IR light, otherwise you'll have to aim the remote to the VCR/DVD thing... (like in cheap chinese stuff, very annoying ! )

If wanna a narrow spot you MUST use a laser module...

I must have a Chinese one, must aim directly at cable TV box, then wiggle around till it recognises it.

Perhaps cheap, Chinese led's have different lens/focal length, tighter beam?

Aurificus

[detectoman]

jajaja max, you always find the humor', embraces to all, build lrl is easy, most easy what md complex, but the lrl is critic in final adjustments this boom! the head
my dog is egresed of texas electronician university
good whises to all
detectoman

[Aurificus]

LRL - If it was a viable technology it would have been advanced decades ago, right along with space travel and other scientific axioms.

What? Like Manned lunar Exploration, It's been 40 years, no change, no improvement.
Are you sure it wasn't done in a hanger in the desert?


Just kiddin'
Aurificus

[Aurificus]

jajaja max, you always find the humor', embraces to all, build lrl is easy, most easy what md complex, but the lrl is critic in final adjustments this boom! the head
my dog is egresed of texas electronician university
good whises to all
detectoman

Hey Detectoman,

Your dog is cleverer than my dog.

"this boom! the head" do you mean increase the sensitivity or make your head explode? ..or both?

To think beyond existing standard techniques and to consider developing new ones is really hard work. It streches your brain & makes it hurt, I find it’s best done while asleep or in the shower. ( neither option is good for final tuning detectors though.)

Good wishes to you,
Aurificus