Temperature, the best friend of LRL's

[Esteban]

Can't found the link in the pic on forum. What happens? More very old post I can found, but no this. Here I draw an experiment with copper and zinc wires exposed at Sun wich generates small amount of electricity.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12151&highlight=sun+involved

[Esteban]

The temperature that Geo is talking about is not in the sun. It is only a temperature difference of 9C. This is not the temperature change you find when you put a transistor near a hot iron. It is the temperature change that you may see when you put your hand on a transistor to warm it in the night.

The day time temperature found in Paraguay when a painted surface is placed in the sun can be hot enough to cook food on, depending on the time of day. This is caused by the radiant heat from the sun. This is much hotter than the air temperature. The temperature Geo reported was the air temperature when the sun was not in the sky. Only air conduction working to put heat into his LRL. And only a 9C temperature change. This makes me think something else caused the change in beeps.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, is OK. But when you run in places with such equipment, hot from the Sun helps detector, and other extreme start inestabilities.

Regards

[Max]

Well, temperature ups the gain of semiconductor. Is very easy to comprobe it. Put a transistor in your gain transistor checker. Put near the transistor a hot iron and see how can rapid ups the gain. You have this option: ever use transistors lowest in gain no more than 150-180. This method is for pistol based on transistors. Here the hot is very strong and inestability comes. So, in the case of Geo hot helps, but excesive causes inestabilities.

Or ... better use small miniature tubes... and no semiconductors in input stage....

But this don't prove the LRLs work... of course. Instability is common problem in old MDs as well... and other stuff that have to work with hi amplification chain.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi Max,
This will work to test if the circuitry performance is temperature dependent. But suppose the air temperature in the vicinity of the treasure and surrounding areas is what will change the performance, not the circuitry?

I suspect the performance of the circuitry is not largely changed by the 9 C temperature drop that Geo cited, but it is possible. It sounds to me that the change in beeps is more likely caused by a difference in atmospheric conditions that is linked to the time of day, in a similar manner to how some radio broadcasts are diminished after a certain time of the day.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
don't know... maybe is just instability related to minority carriers... old problem of any transistor based design...

there's a -2mV/K variation due to pn junctions forward polarized also... happens e.g. in diodes... but also at bipolar transistors and other things.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Can't found the link in the pic on forum. What happens? More very old post I can found, but no this. Here I draw an experiment with copper and zinc wires exposed at Sun wich generates small amount of electricity.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=sun+involved

The two metals make a junction.... the two metals reflects different way the sunrays and so heath up at slightly different temperature... when this happens you get Seebeck effect again... like in thermocouples... and if put in short turn you'll get a small current flowing inside the turn.

The current is really small... the voltage generated is small too...

having enough sensitive apparatus is possible detect the very weak magnetic field generated by current flow... but just very near to the loop, for reasons already explained... the magnitude decay as power of 3 with distance...

By using a sensitive hi-impedance microvoltmeter you can read directly the voltage... at junction.

The effect is much increased if you cool one side of junction... by e.g. dry ice... but I don't see how all that correlates with LRL stuff...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Or ... better use small miniature tubes... and no semiconductors in input stage....

But this don't prove the LRLs work... of course. Instability is common problem in old MDs as well... and other stuff that have to work with hi amplification chain.

Kind regards,
Max

OK, but the problem is present in 4 transistors, not only in the first. Of course, I "solved" the problem inventing the "Esteban transistor" à la oil.

[Esteban]

The two metals make a junction.... the two metals reflects different way the sunrays and so heath up at slightly different temperature... when this happens you get Seebeck effect again... like in thermocouples... and if put in short turn you'll get a small current flowing inside the turn.

The current is really small... the voltage generated is small too...

having enough sensitive apparatus is possible detect the very weak magnetic field generated by current flow... but just very near to the loop, for reasons already explained... the magnitude decay as power of 3 with distance...

By using a sensitive hi-impedance microvoltmeter you can read directly the voltage... at junction.

The effect is much increased if you cool one side of junction... by e.g. dry ice... but I don't see how all that correlates with LRL stuff...

Kind regards,
Max

Max, relations, relations... In soil occurs similar with long time buried metal, an ammount of electricity with is "own atmosphere"...

[Aurificus]

Reposted from Hypothesis, since we are talking temperature here!!

If My proposed signal effect is "powered" by diurnal solar radiation then detectable depth is likely to max out at around 0.3 metres. .

Great illustration, Wish I'd found it earlier!!
The amount of "lag" is clearly shown too.

Not completely BUSTED, But definitely, Bruised & Battered.
Cheers, Aurificus

[Morgan]

LRL and temperature

Hi.
Today i tried for second time a new LRL. It is a simple magnetic field detector with some modifications, plus a fm tuner as Esteban shows many times. First time i went to a place with some copper coins burient 18...19 years ago.
No results. It was a day after rain with temp about 25o Celcius.
I went again today at 18:00. Temperature 38 oC. Yes.... i received a lot of signals around 3...4 m. Beeps was from MFD and not from radio fm because every time that i had beep, i had indication from the leds. Beeps was random and short, no continued. So the problem was again the same, no way to pin-point. But with this temperature, something is happening. It is the first time that i took signal from copper with lrl of this technology.
I went again at 21:15. Temperature was 29oC. No beeps . The first led sometimes was light but no beeps. Maybe the out of MFD want a little modification so the beeps to coming easy when the led light a litle.
But the resume is one. With big temperature the "magnetic field" is more strong than it at lower temp.

Regards

Hello Geo

My advice to you is to not build more LRL gizmos until you see PD working here in my country.Not lose time building crap.
I´m sure after you test the real LRL device (PISTOLDETEKTOR)and see results,your mind concentrate more in reality,not LRL fiction from twilight zone

Regards

[Morgan]

PD

Hi.
Today i tried for second time a new LRL. It is a simple magnetic field detector with some modifications, plus a fm tuner as Esteban shows many times. First time i went to a place with some copper coins burient 18...19 years ago.
No results. It was a day after rain with temp about 25o Celcius.
I went again today at 18:00. Temperature 38 oC. Yes.... i received a lot of signals around 3...4 m. Beeps was from MFD and not from radio fm because every time that i had beep, i had indication from the leds. Beeps was random and short, no continued. So the problem was again the same, no way to pin-point. But with this temperature, something is happening. It is the first time that i took signal from copper with lrl of this technology.
I went again at 21:15. Temperature was 29oC. No beeps . The first led sometimes was light but no beeps. Maybe the out of MFD want a little modification so the beeps to coming easy when the led light a litle.
But the resume is one. With big temperature the "magnetic field" is more strong than it at lower temp.

Regards

Remember,Pistoldetektors work fine during the day and night,only raining afect detection distance.

[J_Player]

Hello Geo
My advice to you is to not build more LRL gizmos until you see PD working here in my country.Not lose time building crap.
I´m sure after you test the real LRL device (PISTOLDETEKTOR)and see results,your mind concentrate more in reality,not LRL fiction from twilight zone
Regards

Excellent idea..!!
When Geo sees the "Real LRL" working, his eyes will be coming out of his head! Then he will no longer waste time building crap. He will only build the "Real" PDK.

But there is one problem: Nobody ever discovered how to make the ferrite coils with the correct turns and connections, because you did not give the information needed. Will Geo be able to look at these coils to see where the wires must connect, and count the turns himself, and see where the coils must be located for good tuning, and make a test to find the resonant frequency, so he can correctly build the coil?

If he can, then we know he will be building the PD full time, with no wasted effort on other "toys" because there is only one Real PD that will surpass the performance of all other LRLs for close work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Alexismex]

Hello Morgan,
It is true many people speak about pistol but NOBODY give us the ferrite coil specification to test your research ....
I did not ask "mucho" not more to pick up a coin in 10cm depth in soil at 1 meter distance and you will win my mind!!!
Alexis.

[hung]

See if your average Nexxxus does this II

I did not ask "mucho" not more to pick up a coin in 10cm depth in soil at 1 meter distance and you will win my mind!!!
Alexis.

1 meter?

Forget it...
What about 2 meters for fresh gold and 2 km for LTB gold?
Here's a perfect example of what that baby can do...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDo2...eature=related


The user even waves goodbye to the armchair moronic skepthics in the end of the show.

Hey Alex, before talking gizmos as in recent past, you better team up with detectoman. You will learn many things.

[Qiaozhi]

1 meter?

Forget it...
What about 2 meters for fresh gold and 2 km for LTB gold?
Here's a perfect example of what that baby can do...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDo2...eature=related

Comments on the video:

1. Even though you have accused Carl on many occasions of testing his Mineoro in the house or back yard, here is yet another video showing an indoor test.
2. There is no test shown without the foil.
3. Your statement that LTB gold can be detected at 2Km is a joke.
4. Ditto for fresh gold at 2 meters.

The user even waves goodbye to the armchair moronic skepthics in the end of the show.

Perhaps he was waving like this ->

Oh yes ... almost forgot .... when is the debunkering due to start?

[Fred]

?
Here's a perfect example of what that baby can do...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDo2...eature=related

Is this a joke or are you being completely ridiculous?
Why at the beginning of the video and at low heigh nothing was detected ?
At best, this detects horizontal position,or earth capacitance effect as Esteban says.
Looking at the other video from this guy i wonder if he is somewhat retarded?