$5,000 Coat Hangers vs Metal Dector Challenge

[Max]

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

Choose a desert like place...
the third party will find on ewith few or no pull tabs.

Not easy , uh ? Yeah... but some places you can find like that... and then put a limit to the attempts... e.g. 10.

If you use a discriminating MD you can reject easy pull tabs and got the gold signal.

Now... sure it's not easy prepare such search field... but would be more easy in a real football field ?

How many e.g. coins people lost or launched there in the field during the years ?

How much small gold items (e.g. small medals, rings etc) people lost there during the years !?

A real football field , apart the risk of being fooled by some hidden camera or person watching when you bury stuff, it's a real nightmare using an MD for to search a specific item... like the small gold bar.

Desert is fairly better.

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Needless to say, I will not be going back to hunt there again until I have in my hands a proven LRL that shows me where the gold is. (Perhaps this will not happen in this lifetime).

Best wishes,
J_P

Proven LRL??? Good Luck! I hope you are a really young fella.

[Fred]

I am not sure if the place should be so much "prepared" and special.
I think it should be a natural place, with usual trash.Real life.

It looks too complicated, there is nothing to be afraid of: after all it´s just regular MD against L rods, let the better win!

[J_Player]

I am not sure if the place should be so much "prepared" and special.
I think it should be a natural place, with usual trash.Real life.

It looks too complicated, there is nothing to be afraid of: after all it´s just regular MD against L rods, let the better win!

Would it be ok if I go there before the contest and throw some coins, rare earth magnets, and scatter a few kilos of chopped up pieces of copper wire in the test field to add to the usual trash found in natural real life places?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi,
I think better if field is clean of other stuff... I mean trash that usually is found near urban areas... or farm land too.
Too much tin foil, lost coins, cigarette silvery paper, old paint cans and iron wires etc

Why ?

Easy... if too much trash the MD must perform a HUGE number of attempts before finding the gold-bar.

A HUGE number of attempts mean the LRL operator could do the same... a HUGE number of attempts... and you know... huge numbers possibly end-up with some lucky strike.

No no... we are talking here of a challenge between LRL-method and MD stuff...

Use a clean soil, uniform, possibly sand like... and very few trash and few attempts people can make.

This way who has ability of REALLY locate the target will find it and not by luck.

Are we talking of luck here ? No. We are talking of detectiong stuff before the other player, no need that luck have to interfere in this process.

And what can be wrong if soil is almost clean of trash ?
Both operators MUST be satisfied of this search conditions... cause will not be disturbed by tin foil etc...

Or now tin foil is essential for the LRL-method to work ???

MD has no need of trash to work... I would expect the same from the coat hangers...

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Would it be ok if I go there before the contest and throw some coins, rare earth magnets, and scatter a few kilos of chopped up pieces of copper wire in the test field to add to the usual trash found in natural real life places?

Best wishes,
J_P

For obvious reasons the place must be unknown from both participants so this is not possible.
Now, "natural" crap, in "natural" concentrations should not be a problem.
Or else you will give the same excuse that LRL proponents uses that the test must be performed in special mood, special terrain , blood iron , and Sun activity...

[J_Player]

For obvious reasons the place must be unknown from both participants so this is not possible.

Not a problem.....
I will go and scatter the trash at the location on the day before the contest, when the contest directors have chosen the location. I will not be a participant. I will only be a witness who points and laughs at the contestants digging up thousands of little pieces of copper wire, coins, and rare earth magnets.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jarek]

I'll be more than happy to host those two individuals. Currently I dwell in Chicago and the contest can take place at Indiana Dunes which is less than 2hr away. I'm not concerned about disclosing the location because this place is HUGE and even a prior visit won't help. Since I'm not known to anyone at the forum I can be considered someone neutral. Anyone who decides to come can stay at my home for free (some Polish food and beer can be provided as well)

[Clondike Clad]

Ok with me

I'll be more than happy to host those two individuals. Currently I dwell in Chicago and the contest can take place at Indiana Dunes which is less than 2hr away. I'm not concerned about disclosing the location because this place is HUGE and even a prior visit won't help. Since I'm not known to anyone at the forum I can be considered someone neutral. Anyone who decides to come can stay at my home for free (some Polish food and beer can be provided as well)

If Mr Dell wants to OUT DO do one of the best metal detectors ever made LETS DO IT.CLONDIKE CLAD IS READY TO RUMBLE
If Dell don't like my XLPRO I can use my M6, Classic IDX,Minlab3500,amphibium ll,Prizm,oh what the hell I will even bring my ACE 250.
Ok Dell now you know some of the tools I will use.Iust bring the gold bar and drink some beer and eat some Polish food.Oh Dell I will put the gold bar with my good coins( not for sale)GOLD FEVERCLONDIKE CLAD HAS GOLD FEVER

[Max]

Hmmmm...
seems Dell don't read the forum recently....

or SURE he would reply to these offers...

Or not ???

Dell we miss you! WHERE ARE YOU NOW ???

Have to call America's most wanted ???

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

HA HA HA.... It was all a trick!

Dell fooled you!

Dell made this post at the top of this thread:

Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers. How confident am I? $5,000. The challenge: a third party will hide a small gold nugget somewhere on a football field, placing it two inches deep by pounding a wooden rod into the ground. The first to uncover the gold nugget is the winner. The event will be video tapped. Email me if you are up to the challenge

http://www.dowselikeapro.com/My_Blog.html

If you look at the link, you will see this is what some guy in Canada is offering, not Dell. Dell is not holding the contest, and is not a contestant. He only posted some words from this Canadian's blog, and the link to read it. He was informing us of some news that somebody is holding a dowsing contest where he puts up $5000. You are reading the offer from some Canadian, not Dell. And Dell is undoubtedly laughing in font of his computer at all the fools who didn't figure out his trick, and think Dell is making a challenge.

If you read the blog, you will find this Canadian's quote about 3/4 the way down. You can also search the page for "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod". You will see he offered exactly what Dell posted, So he did not offer to make special field arrangements. But after reading some of his stories, I thik he will not mind to make the challenge in the way you are suggesting.

Anyway, don't expect Dell Winders to ever allow a test of his dowsing abilities, or of the abilities of his LRLs when someone else is watching.

Best wishes,
J_P
Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

[Jim]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range Locators

[Max]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range Locators

Yes, of course,
but Dell wrote the title as " $5,000 Coat Hangers vs Metal Dector Challenge"

where you can read that the challenge is between coat hangers vs metal-detector... or not ?

Then he also made post like "I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector" etc

Not explaining he was reporting words from other people... so we can conclude he's doing the challenge himself not the third party...canadian one.

Now... if not so... he just demonstrated another time he and his paint rollers can't pass any challenge against a real metal detector and skilled operator.

Just like serious THunters already know.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Nowhere in the challenge does it mention “metal detector” (or Dector).

Dollars to doughnuts the blogger was referring to Long Range Locators when he drafted the challenge. The verbiage is specific to “electronic detectors”…sometimes referred to as LRLs

The appropriate title to this thread would be: Coat Hangers vs. Long Range Locators

That's exactly right.
The challenge made by the Canadian is titled "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod"
And the challenge is "I will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector, against my two coat hangers".
It was Dell who added the words "Metal Detector" in his title to this thread. It appears that Dell is responsible for making it look like this is a contest between metal detectors and dowsing rods.

So what is the challenge?
The Canadian says he will challenge any gold hunter using an electronic detector against his two coat hangers. Doesn't this include gold hunters who use metal detectors? Isn't a metal detector an electronic detector?
According to his challenge, you must be a gold hunter and you must use an electronic detector, while he uses two coat hangers.

A minor complication is in the title to his challenge "Gold detector Verses Dowsing Rods". Gold detector implies a detector that only finds gold, but could also be any detector that finds gold and other things too. However, the title is not the challenge. He clearly stated his challenge which specifies the challenger must be a gold hunter and must use an electronic detector. The title only gives hints to what he had in mind. It does not specify the rules to the challenge. I suppose if you used a home-made metal detector, then you could paste a label on it that says "Gold Detector" and this would satisfy any implied requirement that it must be a gold detector.

So there you have it... You don't have to travel so far, Clondike Clad. The $5000 challenge is in Canada.

But before you pack for Canada to win your $5000, consider the credibility of the challenge.
Suppose you get there, and the Canadian says "I was only kidding"?
Or he says the challenge is only open to electronic gold-finding LRLs?
Or suppose he says: "what did you expect? I am supposed to make good on some silly thing you read in my blog?
Your laws must be different than the laws here. Go home Yankee".

If that happened, you could have a nice vacation and go home less travel expenses.

I still think Dell is laughing in front of his computer at all the ruckus he caused by making it appear that this was his challenge against metal detectors.
Do you think he would laugh harder if you went to the challenge in Canada and got turned back?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

HA HA HA.... It was all a trick!

Dell fooled you!

Dell made this post at the top of this thread:If you look at the link, you will see this is what some guy in Canada is offering, not Dell. Dell is not holding the contest, and is not a contestant. He only posted some words from this Canadian's blog, and the link to read it. He was informing us of some news that somebody is holding a dowsing contest where he puts up $5000. You are reading the offer from some Canadian, not Dell. And Dell is undoubtedly laughing in font of his computer at all the fools who didn't figure out his trick, and think Dell is making a challenge.

If you read the blog, you will find this Canadian's quote about 3/4 the way down. You can also search the page for "Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod". You will see he offered exactly what Dell posted, So he did not offer to make special field arrangements. But after reading some of his stories, I thik he will not mind to make the challenge in the way you are suggesting.

Anyway, don't expect Dell Winders to ever allow a test of his dowsing abilities, or of the abilities of his LRLs when someone else is watching.

Best wishes,
J_P
Gold Detector Verses Dowsing Rod

Mike Mont already pointed this out early on in the thread. It was clearly nothing to do with Dell. See quote below:

This is not Dell's contest. He just posted the link.

I read through part of it. I am a bit confounded by the "World Dowsing Championship". I know several dowsers in Montana and I never heard of such a thing. Sounds like a bunch of drunks got together to see who could spew the most BS.

As for the nugget contest, a small nugget would not be easy to find with an MD amongst thousands of pull tabs. I don't understand the significance of pounding a wooden stake in the ground unless a person could feel it when they walked over it.

After reading the blog, you could be excused for wondering why this "dowsing legend" has not relieved Randi of his $1M.

As you stated, the contest appears to be a challenge by a dowser against electronic LRLs (gold detectors). He would not risk his reputation against a real metal detector, unless the contest could be rigged.

He had a very amusing story about the travelling salesman and his car keys. I bet that story has been repeated hundreds of times, but it proves nothing. There are numerous ways he could have retrieved his keys without any so-called psychic ability. Maybe he had an electronic key finder attached to the fob, the receptionist tipped him off, he simply watched them out of the window, or he was just lucky that they didn't hide them in a less obvious place. Whatever, any amateur conjurer could perform the same trick.

Regarding the nugget attached to the end of a wooden stake - this is also an indication of trickery. How easy would it be to embed a neodymium magnet in the top of the stake, then have a reed switch in your shoe which triggers a simple circuit and lets you know you're over the nugget? There are numerous devious methods of rigging the contest. That's why controlled double-blind testing is essential.