Treasure gas is dangerous !!!

[Esteban]

Maybe pure gold is not poisonous. The problem is that big treasure consist in gold 18, 14, 16, copper coins, silver coins 925, bronze, etc., gold mixed with other metals. Here the poison is the verdigris. Is dangerous when you smell accidentally in hole of treasures of caves wich contain it. So, this bad odor is "the gas". Also, for this motive is not a good idea cooking in copper recipients...

Maybe, if you're a treasure hunter "à la beachcomber" you never will be poisoned...

[Max]

Maybe pure gold is not poisonous. The problem is that big treasure consist in gold 18, 14, 16, copper coins, silver coins 925, bronze, etc., gold mixed with other metals. Here the poison is the verdigris. Is dangerous when you smell accidentally in hole of treasures of caves wich contain it. So, this bad odor is "the gas". Also, for this motive is not a good idea cooking in copper recipients...

Maybe, if you're a treasure hunter "à la beachcomber" you never will be poisoned...

This was never a problem... just this thing is not that good manipulating by bare hands then e.g. rub your eyes etc...

But not a big issue...

the smell ? not a problem for such simple cases... who care about ?

The problem is when poisonous material is mixed with the stuff intentionally to poison the treasure hunter!

There was another effective method about that... small sharp tips like fine needles inside the treasure box... mixed with coins etc

Needles had poisonous material on them to inoculate the venoms by little wounds on fingers etc

Old tricks... old stuff... rare to see examples of that... expecially in south america. In Europe is not impossible.

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Maybe pure gold is not poisonous. The problem is that big treasure consist in gold 18, 14, 16, copper coins, silver coins 925, bronze, etc., gold mixed with other metals. Here the poison is the verdigris. Is dangerous when you smell accidentally in hole of treasures of caves wich contain it. So, this bad odor is "the gas". Also, for this motive is not a good idea cooking in copper recipients...

Maybe, if you're a treasure hunter "à la beachcomber" you never will be poisoned...

Oh my gosh!!!!

While all along you folks have been making your pistol LRLs to search for small currents or fields. No wonder so many problems.

In fact, they should have been made to sense these "bad gases". What a revelation!!!

Let the debunkering begin.

[Fred]

Here the poison is the verdigris. Is dangerous when you smell accidentally in hole of treasures of caves wich contain it.

This is just copper sulfate, the same used on potatoes and fruit trees to combat fungus.
You can eat and breath it, but do not abuse

[Esteban]

Oh my gosh!!!!

While all along you folks have been making your pistol LRLs to search for small currents or fields. No wonder so many problems.

In fact, they should have been made to sense these "bad gases". What a revelation!!!

Let the debunkering begin.

As can see, you don't understand. Is dangerous when you're into a cave or hole with these acumulate metals in not ventilated sites.

Regards

[WM6]

Is dangerous when you're into a cave or hole with these acumulate metals in not ventilated sites.

Why you do not instal one or two ventilators on top of the LRL pistol to ventilate hole? It may be very useful to attract gold gases too.

[Max]

Why you do not instal one or two ventilators on top of the LRL pistol to ventilate hole? It may be very useful to attract gold gases too.

He can easy solve the gas issue: will make a big fart and evacuate all poisonous gases... hopefully!

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

This is just copper sulfate, the same used on potatoes and fruit trees to combat fungus.
You can eat and breath it, but do not abuse

eat ? breath ?

Hmmmm... I know people that do this way...
then after a while they're all new customers for dermatologist...that are really happy having all that new customers!

No , no... do not eat it... nor breath it... it's safe enough but treat with care... it's irritating to skin , mucose stuff...

Apart that, you're right almost widely used from many centuries... can't harm much , expecially such coins indeed, so few and not pure.

My grandfather used that for fishing...

When a big stuff... like a big grouper...is caught with the fishline and it will suddenly go down the rocks to stay there and resist to attacks by the fisherman... he can use this approach:
suspend a small crystal of that in a small cloth... and let it slide along the fishline... till the cloth+crystal will reach the face of grouper

The reaction with seawater make the water around it... a bit irritating.

Also... the fish will breath all the stuff coming from it... thats neurotoxic.

Indeed, it will give up suddenly and you'll recover about stoned!

Old stuff...

You are on an island so you probably know if not... try it... with groupers...you'll be not disappointed.

Kind regards,
Max

but don't eat , drink, or breath it... not so safe.

[Theseus]

As can see, you don't understand. Is dangerous when you're into a cave or hole with these acumulate metals in not ventilated sites.

Regards

Ta Da! Sounds like a job for a RCLRLV.

Remote Controlled Long Range Locating Vehicle

[J_Player]

Ta Da! Sounds like a job for a RCLRLV.

Remote Controlled Long Range Locating Vehicle

Hmmm...
In most treasure hunting sites where a large hole has been excavated, the treasure was already located. The concern is for toxic gases during the recovery process. Perhaps what is needed is a RCLREV

Remote controlled Long Range Excavating Vehicle

But I still think it is easier to wear a gas mask and safety line.

Best wishes,
J_P

[peroon]

Treasure "gas" is much less dangerous comparing to stomach gas from prospector! So...BEWARE! Do not eat beans before going prospecting! Neither cabage! Otherwise, prospector must perfectize farthing techniques to void blowing pants off , somewhere on the real fields! If you need instructions, i might write some, subjecting various farthing techniques on the field! You may consider me as an expert !

[Fred]

Hi Max,

No , no... do not eat it... nor breath it... it's safe enough but treat with care... it's irritating to skin , mucose stuff...

This was a joke:there is often too much of that stuff in vegetables and fruit we buy.

You are on an island so you probably know if not... try it... with groupers...you'll be not disappointed.

Thanks for the hint, looks interesting! and the sulfate is easy to produce.
I am on a island and i didn´t knew it, but you, on Mars, you do !
regards,
Fred.

[michael]

Hi,
Hmmm... some gases or... well aerosols were intentionally created to protect the treasures against treasure hunters and thiefs.

How ? Easy... was common practice in the Middle Age due to some very clever manuscripts made by islamic authors also...

at that time there was clear some very poisonous plants/herbs/minerals could be added to treasure caches to protect from unwanted people...

The practice... along with other "mechanical" or "hydraulic" traps was really common in Europe in middle age.

It was by fine powders and "baths" of jewels , gold etc... chemical powders and chemical baths.

One of the most used poison was arsenic , usually a compound of yellow-red sulfide highly toxic.

They used powdered sulfide mixed with other natural compounds sometimes vegetable resins and very frequently plants additives , also poisonous.

The additives were employed both for toxicity and for making a good bond with treated materials (e.g. gold) like a very thin layer of glue.

Even eggs found a place in such preparations...

Sometimes the trap included a wooden or iron box full of that powdered stuff and glued on surfaces, as well as gold pieces covered by them. Sometimes internal finitures of box contained a mechanism to spread powders and poisonous emanations when box was opened by untrained people.

There were three primary source of poisoning : inhalation of powders and gases, skin contact and ingestion of small quantities of poison.

The effects, of course, were devastating... people after opening such a thing without required precautions will start in a few time (even minutes) to have simptoms of arsenic poisoning along with a number of variants due to the additives.
Usually the amount of venoms and poisonous material stored along with treasure was thousand times the volume required to kill a man!

That cause the "engineers" of past... when designing such places, traps and treasure boxes were induced in killing thiefs by these means as best protection strategy for the treasures.

The thiefs could also possibly locate the treasure and survive to mechanical or hydraulic traps... but they will die by poisoning after handling the stuff without knowing about the risks.

Indeed, the idea was so really efficient in such a purpose that many of these treasures are still in their place today.

So... if you find an old map... or a secret way to some underground tunnel be really careful... and make serious investigations before make attempts...cause these things can kill you exactly as they were buried yesterday and not 1000years ago.

Kind regards,
Max

Hi friends.
In my opinion the best and exhaustive presented reasons are from Max.
Yes, that's right at least for me. good knowledge.

Firstly; the fact is people all around world wouldn't use same ways or had access to other people knowledge, so it's highly probable some ancient people used some unknown materials for treasures like different poisonous materials; cyanide compounds, arsenics,.... and for some treasures that were very big that hoarded in rooms or even saloons underground, after finishing work and putting stuffs inside room killed all simple workers or even some simple soldiers and put them inside the room afterward would seal that, so this could be source of H2S and other type of gases emanating from body rotting; e.g. methane, hydrogen,....
for tough sealed treasure chamber formed gases don't infiltrate by the time break it.
so , you see hoarding was not same all around the world.
Secondly; about the Philippine treasure founds, are you sure those were buried for hundreds or thousands years ago?
and since that time no one had excavated original hoarded treasure afterward re-hoarded??
i.e. some original treasures were excavated one time and after dividing the shares some again buried his own share, so in this attempt it will lose any of polluted material, gas released and maybe pioneer guy died, others accessed treasure and after that naturally THer will wash found stuffs,...
whilst this time many things gradually happens, after re-hoarding they may involved troubles would gradually killed them. anything could be possible, you never know.
then what has happened for guys who first excavated original treasure, god knows better.
as another side how sure are you this THer(Bob Curtis) hadn't used safety tools?
see; professional THer never forget safety, never, be sure he is enough wise not to go with bare body.
I bet they had even used closed breathing system; air cylinder,.... like scuba tools. of course if it was a noticeable huge target.
BTW; albeit I didn't read Philippine founds story, except to the statue there is picture of gold bars with English written, those are not ancient or pictures are not true of found treasure are as an illustration.

about H2s as I know in my country most people who were close to treasure chamber all smelled stink.
about me personally; by this time still no experience of this kind, if god helps more we will reach to treasure chamber by 2-3 weeks later and tell my personal experience.

but 2 stories of 2 different team in my country I quote here:
1- Head of one THing team told me 2 weeks ago:
" we found an small treasure, but very precious about 10 years ago; a jar contained 65 big gold coins; each coin was with 12-13 Cm diameter and very bright(pure gold) we smelled very little stink, not noticeable, but after breaking the jar, one of my partners ignored and touched back of his hand with coins, after that he was involved with serious skin irritation ended to wound. despite best dermatologists prescriptions, healthy attentions here and offshore he still suffers of his skin problem."

2- for other team that I've heard in quotation; they were near to a big treasure chamber, one idiot had used lighter and caused
explosion which killed 2 persons and their project was divulged and police arrested rest of team and government found the treasure.

Now maybe none of these occurs in other places. it depends on luck (god helps) and our precautions.
BTW; these problems are nothing in comparison with powerful treasure guards which all are jinn.
you see what problems we have here to find a treasure!!!!!!!!
now you judge, can call it theft?

[Esteban]

Why you do not instal one or two ventilators on top of the LRL pistol to ventilate hole? It may be very useful to attract gold gases too.

A suggestion for you! Dou you can use a ventilator in direction of your brain! I think can ventilate your brain, because your genial ideas hot very much your "neurons", or maybe you prefer heatsinks? But a good combination can be heatsinks with ventilators like a PC!

[WM6]

A suggestion for you! Dou you can use a ventilator in direction of your brain! I think can ventilate your brain, because your genial ideas hot very much your "neurons", or maybe you prefer heatsinks? But a good combination can be heatsinks with ventilators like a PC!

Of course, when I read "scientific" debate on the LRL pistols, I always have to ventilate cooling the brain, so make me hot.

Now I am working on LRL kalashnikov schematics, so LRL pistols will be out of fashion soon.