getting rid of the rods

[Qiaozhi]

Not quite, and that´s the problem: actualy what you find is full holes, you have to empty them by yourself !

That's funny!
Another oxymoron? But - which one is it - an empty hole, or a full hole?
I guess it's the "full hole", as this is a contradiction in terms.
The "empty hole" is already empty, by definition. No need for the adjective.

[g-sani]

I am really really happy that Mike(Mont) took over explaining things.
I am sure he knows what he is talking about since I compare things whith what I know myself up to now.The thing whith such issues is to be able to give others to understand and myself I am not that good yet as Mike(Mont) is.
He said that:

......the nervous system picks up a much wider range of frequencies than the five senses. The mind has been programmed to ignore these. The hardest part of dowsing is to still the mind of these programs that limit your awareness. .......

and he also wrote that:

.......there is a balance that the user feels when the rod aligns. Whether this is due completely to outside forces (force field), or the user senses the balance and reacts subconsciously, or a combination of the two (most likely) is up for conjecture. But for a non-dowser to state categorically that there is no effect is not accurate. I guess if they say it enough to themself they will believe it.

All these alone can give answers to what holds most people back from truth and from the way that treasure hunting should be approached.
I admit myself that I have seen holes in many places but I also admit that in such places most of the times if not always the valueables were left behind for dowsers to pick up.
It happened many times and still happening.I don't know if it is the ideomotor efect or whatever anybody wants to call it but I know very well that this way we came up whith finds that were impossible to be made whith any sophisticated or top of the range detector no matter the price tag.

Apart from all that Dowsing is not just using rods to find something and it took me quite some time for myself to understand.
This is only a very small practice of what can be done.

[Fred]

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.
Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

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-If it takes 12 minutes to dig a hole, how long would it take to dig half hole?

(This question was part of a Police academy exam.)

[Mike(Mont)]

http://www.iproducts.ws/thoughtstream.htm

If you think about it, treasure hunting and dowsing are near opposites. You tend to get excited with the thought of striking it rich. It's hard to relax when you are at a suspected treasure site. If you are like me, you carry loads of gear at a fast pace. It takes twenty minutes to calm down even without any thoughts of treasure.

The ThoughtStream is not a dowsing device. It is a device to help you control your emotions/stress.

[Max]

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.
Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

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-If it takes 12 minutes to dig a hole, how long would it take to dig half hole?

(This question was part of a Police academy exam.)

The cubic root of 12 ?

So... about 2 minutes and 20 seconds!

Are you a policeman!?

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

I am really really happy that Mike(Mont) took over explaining things.
I am sure he knows what he is talking about .....

Stating that something is "common sense", or "obvious", are ridiculous statements when applied to dowsing. In fact, it is "common sense" that dowsing is a trick of the mind, and "obvious" that Mike (Mont) doesn't know what he's talking about. Get the point?

......the nervous system picks up a much wider range of frequencies than the five senses. The mind has been programmed to ignore these. The hardest part of dowsing is to still the mind of these programs that limit your awareness. .......

You are wrong again. There are only 5 senses, despite what you would like to believe.

.......there is a balance that the user feels when the rod aligns. Whether this is due completely to outside forces (force field), or the user senses the balance and reacts subconsciously, or a combination of the two (most likely) is up for conjecture.

It is neither. The twitching of the rod is all in the mind. There is no "outside force" controlling the rod, and no signal line.

All these alone can give answers to what holds most people back from truth and from the way that treasure hunting should be approached.

Dream on .....

[J_Player]

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.

Hmmmm... Now, this brings up some embarrassing questions...

If all this ideamotor stuff is true, then it must also be true for people who hold the single rods with the coil at the end. Yup, if L-rods work by ideamtor, then metal detectorists must also be subject to the ideamotor principle. Sure, the people with metal detectors sometimes dig empty holes, but this is obviously caused by the detectorist using his thought energy in an improper way so he can't feel the outside forces. But when he feels the balance, then the rod of the metal detector points in the direction of the target. Well, ok... I guess he swings it back and forth, but look at the direction he is walking. Isn't it in the direction of the treasures? Of course it is. If it wasn't, then how would he ever find treasure? It now becomes perfectly clear. The ideamotor principle finds all treasure. Metal detectors and electronic LRLs only pinpoint the target so we don't walk past it.

Want proof? Look here at all the treasure these detectorists found: http://www.findmall.com/list.php?26
You see? These detectorists are finding almost as much treasure as L-rod users. And to think... they all thought it was the detector finding the treasure!

Now detectorists as well as L-rod users can benefit from using a GSR meter to help them learn to align their rods and shafts with the lines of force from the signal line until they feel the balance.

Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

The secret revealed why gravity is necessary:
Gravity is necessary for L-rods as well as for metal detectors. Otherwise it would be too hard to stay attached to the ground while looking for the treasure. You would keep blowing away from where you wanted to walk.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

hi Max,

The cubic root of 12 ?
So... about 2 minutes and 20 seconds!

Hi Max ,
Don´t forget, that was for policemen,not rocket scientists!
The answer was : "there is no such thing as half a hole"....haha .

Are you a policeman!?

No! Just electronics...
Regards,
Fred.

[Fred]

The ideamotor principle finds all treasure. Metal detectors and electronic LRLs only pinpoint the target so we don't walk past it.

...You would keep blowing away from where you wanted to walk.Best wishes,J_P

Or, everyone holding a rod would be sucked by "the Force" to the place where the treasure is , so there would be enormous piles of people trying to dig , but each time their showels hit the ground they would be ejected in space...

[Mike(Mont)]

I have stated there is a force field that the rod reacts to. Like when you rub a balloon on your hair and syyrofoam pieces will fly through the air to attach to it. The rod reacts strongest to the edge of the target's field. This is where the polarity changes. It's called the zero point or node and there is a vortex of energy there. I will agree the force field is usually not strong enough to move the rod like it does with styrofoam, but there is a noticalbe force that the dowser can feel. A rod with sticky bearings is going to take more energy or torque to move it and I can see why some failed dowsers would like to believe it is only in their imagination. It may be for them. In fact it is very easy to let your imaginatino fool you into thinking there is a target when there really is none. This is one reason I use my skin as a sensor. A beginner will struggle to hold the rod level and not even realize it is respondind to the target, they hold it back.

[Mike(Mont)]

When the rod moves through the earth's magnetic field, you get magnetic induction. The hydrogen protons in water molecules is what makes it so magnetic. Our body is 80% water.

[g-sani]

I agree whith you my friend Qiaozhi that there are only 5 senses but this is true only for people that like to believe that and this includes you perhaps.
Of course I don't blame anybody believing such a thing since this is what they told us at the time we were borned.And now comes the question.
Anything they told us as we grew up is true or certain things appeared different on the way? Hhhhmmmmmm..........
Don't forget that some time ago people believed that earth was something like a big circular baking pan.As time went by we discovered different and everybody agreed to this one.
My opinion is that we must always be open to new thoughts and perspectives and for me this is the right thing to do if we want to go forward in a better world.
And from my personal experience since I have seen dowsers working is that these persons are a lot more open minded than the rest.
This probably plus their strong will was the reason that helped them exercising dowsing, coming up whith results that verified the concept from the beggining.Just think the following as scientists and zoologists did.
Is an elephant a dowser since he can find water in the desert by just digging in certain places into the sand using his nose?All he does is walks to the place and digs.How can he do it?Scientists can't answer yet.
Or is an elephant more clever than a man?
What is happening then?
Maybe was in our nature to dowse as well and because needs changed as time went by we forgot all about.
To tell you the truth no I don't care what scientists and their experiments say when I can see it whith my own eyes happening.

[Fred]

I have stated there is a force field that the rod reacts to. Like when you rub a balloon on your hair and syyrofoam pieces will fly through the air to attach to it.

Mike,
The problem is that the styrofoam effect is scientifically explained ,and as any scientifical explanation it must be proven.Not the "rods effect".

... is an elephant more clever than a man?.

-Sure! most elephants are more clever than some men..

... To tell you the truth no I don't care what scientists and their experiments say when I can see it whith my own eyes happening.

The point is: what do you really see?
G-sani,i can agree with many things you say here.But if there is unknown phenomenons i wonder why we can´t explain them in a rational way.You can answer that is is because of our limited knowledge,but i doubt it is the only reason.So many years and so many tests with dowsers and NEVER a real recorded proof ?!!
Man if i knew it works the first thing i would make is prove it to the world.
Regards,
Fred.

[Dell Winders]

"What has already been done, can be done". "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Dell

g-sani, Mike, is a very knowledgeable person, with many years of field experience with meta-physical Dowsing, and the Physics employed with the use of Long Range Locators. It would serve the Skeptics well to heed, and exercise what he has to say.

Unfortunately, there are no scientist here. Only pretenders hiding behind fictitious names, deception, and gimmicks, participating on a critic sponsored website intended for the purpose of mocking,ridicule, and expressing closed minded BELIEFS (not truth, or facts) promoted through egotistical ignorance, and arrogance.

This so called Skeptic forum, is a sad commentary to true open minded science.

I wish you the best. Dell

[Max]

"What has already been done, can be done". "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Dell

g-sani, Mike, is a very knowledgeable person, with many years of field experience with meta-physical Dowsing, and the Physics employed with the use of Long Range Locators. It would serve the Skeptics well to heed, and exercise what he has to say.

Unfortunately, there are no scientist here. Only pretenders hiding behind fictitious names, deception, and gimmicks, participating on a critic sponsored website intended for the purpose of mocking,ridicule, and expressing closed minded BELIEFS (not truth, or facts) promoted through egotistical ignorance, and arrogance.

This so called Skeptic forum, is a sad commentary to true open minded science.

I wish you the best. Dell

Uhm... seems upset.

I think he probably missed the last discount sale of paint rollers there!