getting rid of the rods

[Dell Winders]

Same old crap. Dell, take a break from the paint roller business and spend some time in the real world.

If what has been done, can be done --why can't you explain it? You have been pressured for decades to explain what has been done, and not one shred of evidence has come from you; only your tired old excuses and rhetoric. Yawn...... how boring.

The truth is, Gravity is all you have working on your paint rollers, and nothing more.

Careful, you are exposing your ignorance. You seem to have difficulty overcoming your fixed "beliefs" based on assumption and presumption, rather than accepting the truth.

I admit, the Fat, egocentric, pompous looking avatar I'm using can be very boring to look at. but it serves both as a reminder, and a deterrent.

Don't fret about my posts, Sam. Your friend Carl Morland, is solely responsible for the content of this website, so if you have a complaint about what I post, please submit it to the webmaster, to take what ever action he deems appropriate.

Glad to see you have cut back on the ranting. Good for you. Keep up the progress and you may be on your way to rational thinking and behavior. You have my best wishes. Dell

[Theseus]

Careful, you are exposing your ignorance. You seem to have difficulty overcoming your fixed "beliefs" based on assumption and presumption, rather than accepting the truth.

I admit, the Fat, egocentric, pompous looking avatar I'm using can be very boring to look at. but it serves both as a reminder, and a deterrent.

Don't fret about my posts, Sam. Your friend Carl Morland, is solely responsible for the content of this website, so if you have a complaint about what I post, please submit it to the webmaster, to take what ever action he deems appropriate.

Glad to see you have cut back on the ranting. Good for you. Keep up the progress and you may be on your way to rational thinking and behavior. You have my best wishes. Dell

I thought the avatar was you in your younger days. I think everyone else looking at it thinks the same thing. Reminder???? Deterrent??? Hmmm... I think you've slipped a cog. Are you still taking your meds?

Exposing ignorance? You are the one exposing your ignorance. You and Mike Healey are the only ones I know here that are good at exposing how stupid you are. You can refuse to accept rational science and physics all you want, but that won't make them go away, and it certainly doesn't validate your pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo scam LRL crap. Paint roller handles, used as dowsing rods will still only do one thing --indicate Gravity.

Just because you can con some poor sap into giving you hundreds of dollars for a paint roller handle, in no way negates the fact that you are running a scam business. Look it up..... it's still a criminal offense and it's called Fraud through Willful Deception.

[Mike(Mont)]

Here's my take on "rational science": If it works, use it. What works for one person does not necessarily work for another. You got a problem with that? I've gone waaay out of my way to try and help poor souls like you to live a happy life. Your obsession with trying to save the world from honest, hard working people who love dowsing/locating is beyond belief. Dell is as honest as they get. He doesn't use a hundred plus alias' or identitfy theft (posting using my name and email address and several others like someone here). You are shameless.

[Max]

Here's my take on "rational science": If it works, use it. What works for one person does not necessarily work for another. You got a problem with that? I've gone waaay out of my way to try and help poor souls like you to live a happy life. Your obsession with trying to save the world from honest, hard working people who love dowsing/locating is beyond belief. Dell is as honest as they get. He doesn't use a hundred plus alias' or identitfy theft (posting using my name and email address and several others like someone here). You are shameless.

"If it works, use it."

I agree with that of above...

problem is that dowsing doesn't work, or better, that's much about trivial situations... you search for water and so dig holes and find that water...
but in that cases it's about obvious thing: if you dig 50meters up or down that point you'll find water too... same if you'll dig at 100meters etc
Just matter of how deep must be the well...

So, it's like searching for gold in a jewelry shop ! It's obvious you'll find some... not a big deal really!

What about dowsers that wanna find water in the Sahara , uh ?

Will he find it under the dunes ???

Actually THERE IS water: in Lybia and other countries there's enormous waterplane under the desert!

But I never heard of someone, dowser that found water that way in the Sahara!

So... dowsing... it's just a matter of beliving that the person who dowse for something really could find that something using some subconscious reation... where, actually, the water finds and similar stuff is more easy explained considering that e.g. in europe and most part of USA there's lot of water underground ! Anyone can spot a point and use a drill to confirm his guess!
In that way it works... but not as claimed by dowsers!

Experiment were made using hidden pipes and waterflows and demonstrated that in double blind tests no dowser can really dowse for that... and that "normal", not-dowsing, people have exactly the same hit ratio of pretender dowsers!

So, who told you it "WORKS" ?

It doesn't work, so I don't use it.

I put the batteries in my MD, switch it on and find the good stuff.

All the rest are empty words and small talks.

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Here's my take on "rational science": If it works, use it. What works for one person does not necessarily work for another. You got a problem with that? I've gone waaay out of my way to try and help poor souls like you to live a happy life. Your obsession with trying to save the world from honest, hard working people who love dowsing/locating is beyond belief. Dell is as honest as they get. He doesn't use a hundred plus alias' or identitfy theft (posting using my name and email address and several others like someone here). You are shameless.

You are way over-stepping your assumed knowledge of who you think you are talking to.

Unless you have proof positive to back up your accusations, I think it would be in your best interests to knock it off.

If you do have proof to back up your accusations, I suggest you post it right here so we can all see what you are talking about.

Incidentally, it is impossible to consider how you could use the name Dell Winders and "honest" in the same sentence. Anyone who has devoted their entire life to bilking people out of their money (Wallet-Mining), through Willful Deception, could hardly be called honest.

[Dell Winders]

Incidentally, it is impossible to consider how you could use the name Dell Winders and "honest" in the same sentence. Anyone who has devoted their entire life to bilking people out of their money (Wallet-Mining), through Willful Deception, could hardly be called honest.

Then perhaps you should stop hiding behind aliases, use your own name, cease your willful deception, back up your false allegations with proof, and stop spreading venemous lies.

JELAD, Just Eliminate Lies About Dell

[Theseus]

Then perhaps you should stop hiding behind aliases, use your own name, cease your willful deception, back up your false allegations with proof, and stop spreading venemous lies.

JELAD, Just Eliminate Lies About Dell

Aliases? I have no idea what you are talking about. All forums and newsgroups advise new members to pick a Username and Password. Only a very few individuals actually choose to use their given names. That remains the choice you make when you sign up. In general, it is not advised to do so. As is evidenced by nearly all the members here; they clearly understand the concept and the protocol. It appears YOU (Dell Winders) are the one that is out of step.

Please try to elevate yourself from the dark ages, come out of your sheltered life on the Internet and actually investigate some other forums and information nets. Educate yourself before you run off at the mouth about something you know nearly zero about.

Anything I've said about your glorified paint rollers has been nothing but the truth. Anything I've said about you being an established scam artist and Wallet Miner is not only the truth, but can be verified totally by merely visiting your website where you advertise your LRL scam items, knowing full well what you are doing constitutes Fraud through Willful Deception.

Clean up your own act, before you go bashing those who have done nothing more than expose you and your practices for what they really are.

[Theseus]

The whole concept of MFD, and signal lines, is completely bogus, made up by people who wanted to add "technology" to dowsing rods, and sell them for a mighty nice profit.

I call this "wallet mining," and those who practice it are phenomenally more successful than the people they sell to. Read my LRL Q&A for more information.

- Carl

Carl and Hank are absolutely correct. "If" your dowsing rods react at all, it will be as a result of an ideomotor response, and NOTHING more. Whether or not you have an MFD box of do-nothing electronics nearby is of NO consequence and adds NOTHING to the equation.

Scam artists like Dell Winders, and others, would like to fool you into thinking that using an MFD gadget is somehow NOT dowsing. Nothing could be further from the truth, and these scam artists know that fact. Although they don't want YOU to learn that fact.

Since dowsing "with" an MFD or "without" an MFD is equivalent, you have to ask yourself who is getting rich here ---when you consider that dowsing has been proven many times over to produce the same results as "guessing".

And, don't forget, when dowsing, if you dig enough holes, eventually you may find something that could be similar to what you originally were dowsing for. Just keep in mind, you would have the same results if you randomly dig holes or if you dowse for likely locations.

[Dell Winders]

My Web pages are truthful and honest. My products have always been accompanied by a limited warranty meeting the same, or better standards as the metal detector industry, and has always been honored.

If you are going to make allegations of dishonesty and fraud, you had better come up with legal evidence to substantiate your claims, or be prepared to accept the title of chronic liar, and perpetrator of malicious and untruthful slander intended to defame the good name and honest reputation of Dell Winders.

It is understandable why you are afraid to use your real name in your attacks when authorities will know you are back to your old vindictive con tricks and illegal internet activities.

We are all waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way? Let's see it! Put up, or shut up. Dell

[Theseus]

My Web pages are truthful and honest. My products have always been accompanied by a limited warranty meeting the same, or better standards as the metal detector industry, and has always been honored.

If you are going to make allegations of dishonesty and fraud, you had better come up with legal evidence to substantiate your claims, or be prepared to accept the title of chronic liar, and perpetrator of malicious and untruthful slander intended to defame the good name and honest reputation of Dell Winders.

It is understandable why you are afraid to use your real name in your attacks when authorities will know you are back to your old vindictive con tricks and illegal internet activities.

We are all waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way? Let's see it! Put up, or shut up. Dell

No Problem!

Here is a quote from your own pages:

"The instrument and operator are measuring the differential between the magnetic field surrounding the earth and the fields created by the target metals, both ferrous and non-ferrous as well as other chemical elements."

That is total and complete BS! You cannot provide a shred of evidence to back up that pseudo-scientific statement. Yet, there are some who will be taken in by those lies, and fall for your scam marketing scheme.

If you were called into a court of law, and asked to demonstrate (prove) your statements, you could not do it.

That is only one example. If I had the time I would point out hundreds more. If you want more examples, just read over the pages on your own site.

Wallet-Mining through Willful Deception is Fraud, and it will never be anything else, no matter how well you would like to sugar-coat it.

Now... it is your turn to put up or shut up! Prove the differential you lied about exists and show us how to measure it WITHOUT a dowsing rod.

You Can't Do It.

[Mike(Mont)]

Something Al Rossmiller taught me is that dowsing and the dowsing instruments should be treated as they are sacred. If you keep that attitude it can help your sensitivity.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
My Web pages are truthful and honest. My products have always been accompanied by a limited warranty meeting the same, or better standards as the metal detector industry, and has always been honored.

If you are going to make allegations of dishonesty and fraud, you had better come up with legal evidence to substantiate your claims, or be prepared to accept the title of chronic liar, and perpetrator of malicious and untruthful slander intended to defame the good name and honest reputation of Dell Winders.

It is understandable why you are afraid to use your real name in your attacks when authorities will know you are back to your old vindictive con tricks and illegal internet activities.

We are all waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way? Let's see it! Put up, or shut up. Dell
No Problem!

Here is a quote from your own pages:

"The instrument and operator are measuring the differential between the magnetic field surrounding the earth and the fields created by the target metals, both ferrous and non-ferrous as well as other chemical elements."

That is total and complete BS! You cannot provide a shred of evidence to back up that pseudo-scientific statement. Yet, there are some who will be taken in by those lies, and fall for your scam marketing scheme.

If you were called into a court of law, and asked to demonstrate (prove) your statements, you could not do it.

That is only one example. If I had the time I would point out hundreds more. If you want more examples, just read over the pages on your own site.

Wallet-Mining through Willful Deception is Fraud, and it will never be anything else, no matter how well you would like to sugar-coat it.

Now... it is your turn to put up or shut up! Prove the differential you lied about exists and show us how to measure it WITHOUT a dowsing rod.

You Can't Do It.

The pretender is grasping at imaginary straws.
Of course, it can be proven, or I would not have said it.

Now, produce one of my customers who purchased
a product from me on the basis of that statement?

We are still waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way?

Take me to court with your conjured evidence of dishonesty and fraud. Let's see it! Put up, or shut up. Dell

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING, IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, PREJUDICED, VINDICTIVE, OR IRRATIONAL MINDSET".

[Theseus]

We are still waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way?

And we are still waiting for you to explain:

"The instrument and operator are measuring the differential between the magnetic field surrounding the earth and the fields created by the target metals, both ferrous and non-ferrous as well as other chemical elements."

Since you can't, then that statement is false and constitutes Fraud. When people read that statement (and believe it to be true), then that is Fraud through Willful Deception --- plain and simple.

It's not my fault that a Class Action suit has not been brought up against you yet.

I can assure you, if I had bought one of your scam MFD/Dowsing contraptions, you and I would have met in court a LONG time ago. Then you could have tried to convince a judge the above statement was true. I doubt very much a judge would see it as anything but FRAUD, and you would be paying the court costs as well as a fine and be forced to shut down your scam business.

[J_Player]

Of course, it can be proven, or I would not have said it.

Now, produce one of my customers who purchased
a product from me on the basis of that statement?

We are still waiting for you to back up your allegations against me with factual evidence of me defrauding or deceiving my customers in any way?

Ummm... now, wait a minute Dell. You have ignored the challenge Theseus made, and called him names, then tried to create a ruse to make it appear "we" are waiting for Theseus to prove something.

I have a question: Who does "we" include when you say "We are still waiting for you to back up your allegations against me..."?
Does "we" include only Dell Winders?

It appears to me Theseus's allegations are backed up by the words you published on your web page. It also appears to me that there are many more examples of your pseudo-scientific statements on your web pages that you cannot back up, just as Theseus says. So what is to prove? The evidence is spread throughout the web pages that you published.

For example, how can anyone miss the BS on your X-scan advertising? First, you claim that this device was tested in August 2003, and you also published alleged testimonial messages from people who claimed they found hidden US dollars in 2003. Then you are inviting X-SCAN customers from all geographical areas to Beta-Test this New Product. Is this still a new product after 6 years... or is that BS?

And what about the claims you published about the X-scan. I am reading two accounts of alleged users of this device who say they quickly found hidden US dollars. Is Theseus correct? Are you unable to demonstrate your X-scan prototype or production model performing as it was described on your web page?

As I recall, you once attempted to demonstrate an LRL device finding coins hidden in the sand, and after you failed miserably, you called the person who offered the testing a liar, rather than to accept a second try where you could have witnesses to observe and document exactly what your LRL instruments detect. It seems to me you still refuse to repeat that test, just as you still refuse to demonstrate your X-scan finding hidden dollars as described on your Web page.

Wasn't Theseus correct when he said "You Can't Do It"?

Best wishes,
J_P

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO ONE SUCKER, CAN BE DONE TO MANY MORE... CAUSE THERE'S ONE BORN EVERY MINUTE!"

[Theseus]

i have a mfd long range locator and i like it except for having to use the rods to pick up the signal...is there anyone out there that has a schematic for an electronic device that will pick up the signal...thank you

The original poster wanted to "get rid of the rods", and measure the "signal lines" with some form of conventional electronic instrumentation.

What an excellent request.

Dell, why don't you explain to the original poster why in all the years that MFD has been around; the rods are still a necessary item.

Admit to him that "signal lines" are merely a figment of your imagination, and that they don't really exist, hence no electronic device could sense them, no matter how sensitive it might be.

Also, explain to him how it is that a $15 card reader at Walmart can measure the tiny electronic strip on your charge card, but in all these years and with all the technology advances; you've yet to come up with a device that will measure your so-called magnetic differentials, and so you must rely on dowsing rods for an indicator.

I think we'd all like to hear your response to those questions. Leave out the name-calling and other BS, just answer the question, provide some facts and evidence to back up your advertising on your website.

(Or, admit it's nothing more than FRAUD)