getting rid of the rods

[J_Player]

you are what you eat....



best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Yes, it's the Cannibal...

BTW, have you already an invitation to dinner !?

I'd like to discuss of LRL... enjoying some good wine and a liver dish....

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, it's the Cannibal...

BTW, have you already an invitation to dinner !?

I'd like to discuss of LRL... enjoying some good wine and a liver dish....

Kind regards,
Max

You could try advertising on the internet. It worked for one particular German.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm

[Max]

You could try advertising on the internet. It worked for one particular German.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm

yes, I know that story... cannot belive at first... but saw on TV and then ...(cause TV showed it) now I belive it happened!

Absolutely INSANE!

I think even Hannibal would refuse to eat some "parts"...
crown jewels...

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

I think even Hannibal would refuse to eat some "parts"...
crown jewels...

Apparently, that's the part they ate first!
And I do mean "they".

[Theseus]

Prove There Is a Difference

Guess who just said;

"This thread is becoming confusing with the injection of physics, with mental Dowsing, without making a distinction, or clarification between the use of meta- physics, and physics control of the Rod(s)

True Dowsing is purely meta-physical, consisting of mental, mind/ muscle control of the Rod(s) i.e, Map, Photo, & Information Dowsing control of the Dowsing tool via a mind/muscle reaction. (a trained ideomotor response)

Physics are incorporated in field searches when the Rods are permitted to react freely on their own to a stronger earth "field" that concentrates in varying degrees of strength around anomalies, or the related "field" of a Harmonic signal line, generated between "like" anomalies"

What a load of BS! And to think, you concocted that entire line of s__t just to fool the gullible into buying one of your scam MFD contraptions for large dollars.

How many times must I remind you? There are not two kinds of dowsing; Mental and Physical.

Dowsing is dowsing and it doesn't matter whether you employ a piece of tree branch or the most expensive so-called enhanced dowsing contraption sold by you or any of the other wallet-miners. Regardless of the dowsing gadget/tool used, the responses from the rods ALL occur as a result of a randomly generated ideomotor response. That is in fact why dowsing produces the same results as ordinary guessing.

I challenge you to provide evidence to the contrary, and to prove (here) there are two kinds of dowsing (ie. mental and physical).

We are waiting.....

[Dell Winders]

Shame, shame on you Sam. Stealing a partial post from another forum with out giving credit, misconsruing it totally out of context, and use your rant to excuse your prejudice, and show off that tid bit of knowledge you learned from me, to save face in front of your peers for your own inability to learn to Dowse.

The truth is, I have always agreed. By definition, there is only one true dowsing method, and that is the meta-physical use of a trained mind/muscle, ideomotor response.

The implication of known laws of physics incorporated into meta-physical Dowsing is inaccurate, in my opinion, and at best a mis-nomer.

I sure don't understand the mentality that denies that a metal rod cannot be applied to physics applications? There is no scientific proof, or evidence of truth whatsoever, to warrant such an idiotic assertion. Dell

[Theseus]

Shame, shame.....

No shame involved, none whatsoever.

The quote I made was done within the "fair use" rights as outlined in Section 107-118 of the Copyright Act, Title 17, US Code. Reproduction was done in order to provide criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching and research; and as such is allowed according to the US Code.

Everything you said was nothing more than your tired and practiced dodge to my "challenge". How predictable of you to lapse into your old side-step of fair questions put to you about your scam LRL products and theories.

Has it ever occurred to you that legitimate business people, involved in legitimate products/services greet questions with enthusiasm, and respond with honest and helpful responses? And, when they don't have a good answer, they promise to get an answer or just say they don't know.

You, on the other hand, have NEVER taken that approach to questions. I think that says about everything about the validity and legitimacy of the products you are trying to sell.

Of course, I already knew what your response would be to my challenge, but I just wanted to give you yet another opportunity to dig your hole a little deeper, and another opportunity for you to show your true self to the other readers. Thank you, you came through like a champ. (or was that chump)

Still confused about "Sam". I must be missing some postings here because I fail to see anyone posting by that name. Is anyone else seeing postings from "Sam" ???

[g-sani]

I might think(believe) different from the most and then it was always somebody doing it.
Leaving everything apart concetrating yourself in what you really like can give you the desired result.It don't matter and I don't really care if this is called dowsing or anything else.
It could be done in a milion different ways or maybe even more.
I see some people trying to oppose to the willness of some others and it shouldn't be so since it is proved through time that the advandage of human race is that anything is possible to be done but when is trully wanted.
Well in dowsing there is a certain way of doing things in order to achieve results much faster than you should.
This is how I see it and that comes up from what hapened up to now.
Of course it is private experiences and thoughts coming out over here and then others should respect them since nobody puts a knife on their neck in order to do so.
If everybody agreed then it would be no need proving things or finding solutions.

[Qiaozhi]

I sure don't understand ...

That's probably about all you need to say. However, you go on...

... the mentality that denies that a metal rod cannot be applied to physics applications?

There is no connection between a metal coat hanger, paint roller or tree branch, and the physics of metal detecting, or even water divining, except in the deceived mind of the dowser.

There is no scientific proof, or evidence of truth whatsoever, to warrant such an idiotic assertion. Dell

You said it there!

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK"

[Theseus]

I might think(believe) different from the most and then it was always somebody doing it.
Leaving everything apart concetrating yourself in what you really like can give you the desired result.It don't matter and I don't really care if this is called dowsing or anything else.
It could be done in a milion different ways or maybe even more.
I see some people trying to oppose to the willness of some others and it shouldn't be so since it is proved through time that the advandage of human race is that anything is possible to be done but when is trully wanted.
Well in dowsing there is a certain way of doing things in order to achieve results much faster than you should.
This is how I see it and that comes up from what hapened up to now.
Of course it is private experiences and thoughts coming out over here and then others should respect them since nobody puts a knife on their neck in order to do so.
If everybody agreed then it would be no need proving things or finding solutions.

Dowsing is a very ancient practice. As such, it has been fairly tested many times by many legitimate researchers (not just LRL salesmen). In ALL cases when it has been fairly tested, the results of dowsing have always been in line with simple "guessing".

In the past few decades, there are those who have added do-nothing electronic components to their dowsing wands, in the hope of cashing in on big profits from those gullible enough to believe some physical or scientific process was going on. IN TRUTH!!! No amount of do-nothing electronics can negate the fact that the heart of the contraption still employs plain old "dowsing", and as such will ALWAYS produce results that are like "guessing".

[Mike(Mont)]

JUst keep repeating it to yourself and you will believe it. I've said it before that science does not understand what they can't measure and they don't have a clue about the light of consciousness. They know the observer influences the experiment, but that's about all they know. Christopher Hills was definitely the most knowledgable person on this subject. His book "Supersensonics" is a masterpeice on the subject. That guy was a mega genius. Most people cannot even understand what he says. I had to read it at least five times and I still don't get it all. He explains about the scientists who dared to consider the subject and they were all banished by their peers, their careers destroyed.

Hills studied yoga in India and became the president of the World Yoda Association. Anyone who is so arrogant to think they can learn to dowse in twenty minutes is living in self-deception. They will never learn to dowse with that attitude. Like Hills and Fred Stewart say, learning to become an accomplished dowser takes fifteen plus years of living it. And that's with an experienced teacher. Most people are not ready to accept what is needed to learn. The negative attitude is a sure way to destroy your chances of success.

As much as I have talkd about dowing lately, I don't use it that much. It is stressful on the body. A frequency transmitter is a lot easier to learn but there are some problems. Things like mineralization can be nearly impossible to deal with.

An expert dowser does not need a rod. Most people can learn to feel the psychic twinge, the electricity in the palm of their hand. The skin on the palm is an area with many nerve endings. The acupuncture points act as a wave guide for the energy. Some top dowsers do not even need to feel the electricity in their skin. You can feel this energy when you walk through a signal line from a frequency generator depending on the atmospheric conditions. I discovered it myself that air pressure has an effect on negative ions which makes for good locating conditions. Then I read the same thing and that ions facilitate the energy to travel through the air.

I also suspect that some failed dowsers have never dowsed except on a full stomach. They eat then go attempt to dowse. This is a sure way to get bad results. You just can't feel it.It's sort of like trying to make a telephone call on a busy line. And many times I find myself daydreaming or thinking about something other than the target. This is totally unacceptable.

[g-sani]

Very interesting what you said about the frequency transmiter Mike.
Can you please go into a more detailed explanation about that?
I understood that even a profesional dowser when is treasure hunting prefers using a frequency transmiter.Can you please explain why they find it easier that way?
Do they find the exact spot of the target much easier?
Does their energy drain slower so they can dowse for more?
Is the results more secure or accurate?
My self always thought that when dowsing whith the aid of a frequency generator I have more possibilities getting fooled by a rusty iron piece going there instead of going where the gold is as we set the freq. generator.

I agree Theseus that there are people out there selling long range devices that do nothing else than dowsing.But this happens everywhere and in every subject so it doesn't say anything to me if somebody tries to get rich through this.
It is not all priests right anyway.

[Theseus]

JUst keep repeating it to yourself and you will believe it. I've said it before that science does not understand what they can't measure and they don't have a clue about the light of consciousness.

And you do? Tell me why "science" should waste time investigating something that lies strictly within the realm of pseudoscience? Studying something where each result is different from all others and happens in a random fashion is a never-ending task and incredibly fruitless. Much like dowsing.

Christopher Hills was definitely the most knowledgable person on this subject. His book "Supersensonics" is a masterpeice on the subject.

Christopher Hills was an author of books, and a charlatan. He made his fortune as a wallet miner, writing books about nonsense and selling them to the gullible and technically challenged. His theories are so far out in left field, they can't even be discussed except in the light of the twilight zone.

[Fred]

Two more necessary conditions for the succesfull dowser:50 years of training and empty stomach.
To be amended to the already very long list.
I wonder if this is mentioned when selling L-rods.