getting rid of the rods

[Max]

If you put your sensible hat on for a moment, you will concur that (of course) it is a trick. No-one can set fire to newspaper by simply touching it.

And yes - the two links I posted are tricks. Derren Brown is a skeptic of paranormal matters, and freely admits that he has no psychic powers. It's a combination of psychology, magic, misdirection and showmanship. Even when he admits that the stuff he does is a trick, some people just don't believe him. That's how much they really want to believe. Amazing!

"No-one can set fire to newspaper by simply touching it."

You're wrong!

I know a couple of girls that will set on fire anything... with a little touch!

But maybe this is too off-topic here!

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

I know a couple of girls that will set on fire anything... with a little touch!

Please PM me their details...

[Fred]

And - it is a trick.
Watch this one, where Derren Brown demonstrates the 1-inch punch ... without touching.
It's amazing what tricks the mind can play.

How can he knows the exact moment the guy is making the punch movement, when standing brehind ?
Everytime i see a similar demonstration , i feel frustrated to see that no real scientific examination has been made to the "phenomenon."

[Qiaozhi]

How can he knows the exact moment the guy is making the punch movement, when standing brehind ?
Everytime i see a similar demonstration , i feel frustrated to see that no real scientific examination has been made to the "phenomenon."

The student is already mentally prepared to believe the punch will happen. When the punch is done from behind, there are audible clues before the "punch" is made. Either clothes rustling, or the sound of breathing. Then it's simply up to the mind to take over.

[J_Player]

The student is already mentally prepared to believe the punch will happen. When the punch is done from behind, there are audible clues before the "punch" is made. Either clothes rustling, or the sound of breathing. Then it's simply up to the mind to take over.

Hmmmm...

Is this how dowsing and frequency generators work too? After hours of meditating, are there psychic clues that tell the dowser/LRL-user which direction the signal line is shooting from?

May the farce be with you.

Best wishes,
J_P

[joecoin]

The student is already mentally prepared to believe the punch will happen. When the punch is done from behind, there are audible clues before the "punch" is made. Either clothes rustling, or the sound of breathing. Then it's simply up to the mind to take over.

So the newspaper is already mentally prepared to believe it will burst into flames?

[Steve in MS]

Hmmmm...

Is this how dowsing and frequency generators work too? After hours of meditating, are there psychic clues that tell the dowser/LRL-user which direction the signal line is shooting from?

May the farce be with you.

Best wishes,
J_P

Or maybe... May the Swartz be with you.

[goldfinder]

Testing LRL MFD w/ clairvoyant

This will not "prove" anything to the skeptics but is interesting annectodal "evidence".

Several years ago I did extensive testing of the MFD phenomena using a clairvoyant that could see the energies on a different dimension. I tested the clairvoyant on quite a number of other energy tests before running the MFD tests.

We used special spiral antennas coated with gold and silver hooked to an audio signal generator.

The Clairvoyant could see an energy line (actually a intensified energy) over and above the background energy field going from the transmitter to a gold sample and later a large silver sample. I then walked through the energy line and the clairvoyant saw the line disturbed and actually drop off. Timing measurements showed that it took the MFD about 45 seconds to reestablish the enegy line.

We also verified that as the sun got higher in the sky (original tests were done before sun up but still daylight the sun's energies blotted out the energy line.

We did extensive testing of various frequencies and found several that worked better than others.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

This will not "prove" anything to the skeptics but is interesting annectodal "evidence".

Several years ago I did extensive testing of the MFD phenomena using a clairvoyant that could see the energies on a different dimension. I tested the clairvoyant on quite a number of other energy tests before running the MFD tests.

We used special spiral antennas coated with gold and silver hooked to an audio signal generator.

The Clairvoyant could see an energy line (actually a intensified energy) over and above the background energy field going from the transmitter to a gold sample and later a large silver sample. I then walked through the energy line and the clairvoyant saw the line disturbed and actually drop off. Timing measurements showed that it took the MFD about 45 seconds to reestablish the enegy line.

We also verified that as the sun got higher in the sky (original tests were done before sun up but still daylight the sun's energies blotted out the energy line.

We did extensive testing of various frequencies and found several that worked better than others.

Goldfinder

You are absolutely correct. This doesn't "prove" anything, as all the tests you did were subjective. You should ask Carl how to correctly perform double-blind testing, and then re-test the clairvoyant. You will be amazed at the difference.

The main problem with your testing procedure is that both the clairvoyant and the testers knew where the target was hidden. Even if the clairvoyant was not aware, subtle unconscious clues by the testers can give away useful information.

[hung]

You are absolutely correct. You should ask Carl how to correctly perform double-blind testing,

What ????????

You will be amazed at the difference.

Yeah sure!!

The main problem with your testing procedure is that both the clairvoyant and the testers knew where the target was hidden. Even if the clairvoyant was not aware, subtle unconscious clues by the testers can give away useful information.

Goldfinder, your research is correct 100%. I have experience on this and many info about this kind of tests you have performed. If you wish , just drop me a PM and I'll share my experiences.

Don't waste your time posting such complex matters for the kids here in the kindergarten because they will keep throwing 'smashed paper balls' in your face.

Regards.

[Theseus]

Don't waste your time posting such complex matters for the kids here in the kindergarten because they will keep throwing 'smashed paper balls' in your face.

Regards.

The sand is full of heads buried in it. Why not another one?

[Qiaozhi]

Goldfinder, your research is correct 100%.

Some subjective testing took place under extremely non-rigorous conditions. You can hardly call this "research".

I have experience on this and many info about this kind of tests you have performed. If you wish , just drop me a PM and I'll share my experiences.

It is true. You do have many years of experience - unsuccessfully attempting to prove the reality of something that only exists in the mind.

Don't waste your time posting such complex matters for the kids here in the kindergarten ...

I can agree with the first part: "Don't waste your time".
Goldfinder is not likely to become one of your puppets. He has already stated: This will not "prove" anything to the skeptics but is interesting annectodal "evidence".
Note the word "anecdotal" -> Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity: the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy or untrue.

The sand is full of heads buried in it. Why not another one?

Hung's head has been buried in the sand for years, and unlikely to ever to see daylight again.

[Max]

Or maybe... May the Swartz be with you.

Or maybe was the Fart ?

[Steve in MS]

This will not "prove" anything to the skeptics but is interesting annectodal "evidence".

Several years ago I did extensive testing of the MFD phenomena using a clairvoyant that could see the energies on a different dimension. I tested the clairvoyant on quite a number of other energy tests before running the MFD tests.

We used special spiral antennas coated with gold and silver hooked to an audio signal generator.

The Clairvoyant could see an energy line (actually a intensified energy) over and above the background energy field going from the transmitter to a gold sample and later a large silver sample. I then walked through the energy line and the clairvoyant saw the line disturbed and actually drop off. Timing measurements showed that it took the MFD about 45 seconds to reestablish the enegy line.

We also verified that as the sun got higher in the sky (original tests were done before sun up but still daylight the sun's energies blotted out the energy line.

We did extensive testing of various frequencies and found several that worked better than others.

Goldfinder

How can one prove what the clairvoyant sees or doesn't see.

[Qiaozhi]

How can one prove what the clairvoyant sees or doesn't see.

You cannot. But double-blind testing will reveal whether the results are real or false.