bionic alpha ??????

[Theseus]

Agree.

LRL is working if one give to it (consciously or unconsciously) a little help.

Geo, I am not against improvement of nonworking devices, in contrary I support all such efforts.

But I'll always be against the sale of such non working expensive devices to naive customers and their promotion in direct or indirect way.

I accept your explanation, that you are not the LRL seller nor mass producer, but you are quite active at least indirectly in promotion of LRL devices, and therefore an objection, of course, also happen to you.

In what we spend our time or even a whole life is our intimate decision which can be only on our own risk. If you chose to improve LRL design in your life I can only respect this, except in promotional aspect.

So I wish you all success in field of LRL improvement.

Exactly!

I agree entirely. If an individual wants to spend their life playing with LRLs and other related dowsing contraptions - I have no problem with them, or how they want to spend their energy and resources.

However, when an LRL salesmen concocts these same "do-nothing" contraptions for sale to the innocent gullible and technically-challenged; then that is a CRIME pure and simple. It is a crime because the salesmen already know they don't work, and hence constitutes Willful Deception. That sort of thing is Wrong, and I do have a problem with it, and will expose their schemes and scams whenever I get the chance.

[Geo]

Agree.

LRL is working if one give to it (consciously or unconsciously) a little help.

Geo, I am not against improvement of nonworking devices, in contrary I support all such efforts.

But I'll always be against the sale of such non working expensive devices to naive customers and their promotion in direct or indirect way.

I accept your explanation, that you are not the LRL seller nor mass producer, but you are quite active at least indirectly in promotion of LRL devices, and therefore an objection, of course, also happen to you.

In what we spend our time or even a whole life is our intimate decision which can be only on our own risk. If you chose to improve LRL design in your life I can only respect this, except in promotional aspect.

So I wish you all success in field of LRL improvement.

WM6,
Thank you

[J_Player]

Exactly!

I agree entirely. If an individual wants to spend their life playing with LRLs and other related dowsing contraptions - I have no problem with them, or how they want to spend their energy and resources.

However, when an LRL salesmen concocts these same "do-nothing" contraptions for sale to the innocent gullible and technically-challenged; then that is a CRIME pure and simple. It is a crime because the salesmen already know they don't work, and hence constitutes Willful Deception. That sort of thing is Wrong, and I do have a problem with it, and will expose their schemes and scams whenever I get the chance.

Exactly.
Anyone who promotes and advocates devices for sale that don't do what they are advertized to do is helping to promote more victims who have a closet full of expensive junk. The victims are sometimes poor people who can't really afford the cost of these LRLs, but they buy them anyway believing they will find valuable treasures that will pay for the machines and solve their financial problems as well. Some of these are people who would not have spent the money they needed for food and rent if they had not read fantastic stories about how well this junk works. But it is still wrong to perpetrate this deception even when the victims can afford it. We know this is happening because people like Carl-NC are able to buy these LRLs after they have been used only a few times for pennies on the dollar from people who were stupid to believe the propaganda. And they ask that their name is not disclosed, so they can conceal the fact they were fooled by these stupid ads and promotional writing with nothing to substantiate it.

Wouldn't it be nice if Dell, Esteban, and hung held public demonstrations every time when they make a claim about Mineoro, RangerTell, or Omnitron products to prove what they say is true? Has anyone in this forum ever seen Dell, Esteban or hung actually recover treasure with these LRL devices? I sure read a lot of reports from people who bought these LRLs claiming they never worked, after reading reports by Dell, Esteban, and hung that they do work.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
Esteban demonstrated some times his LRLs. What other he can do???
It is not so easy for us to go to Paraguay to see his LRL . Last years we saw some LRL to work. What other the owners can do so we to believe them??? For me LRLs they work, but not at every ground ... every time, every season...., not so easy as a normal metal detector.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Esteban demonstrated some times his LRLs. What other he can do???
It is not so easy for us to go to Paraguay to see his LRL . Last years we saw some LRL to work. What other the owners can do so we to believe them??? For me LRLs they work, but not at every ground ... every time, every season...., not so easy as a normal metal detector.

Regards

Hi Geo,

I said nothing about the LRLs that Esteban built. I was talking about the LRLs that are sold commercially.... Mineoro, RangerTell, and Omnitron. See above.

I have no problem when people make experiments for their own use and their friends. The problem I see is when companies are charging thousands of dollars for machines that people complain do not work. For example... did you ever use a RangerTell to recover treasure? Did you recover treasure with Omnitron products? With Mineoro? Sure it is not easy to go to Paraguay to see a demonstration. But we have plenty of people who report in this forum what they find with these LRL models. Most people who report their experience here say these products do not find any treasure. But the manufacturers and a very few people who are friends or relatives of the manufacturers continue to say they find treasures, without demonstrating them finding treasures in front of people who want to see. These few continue to say they work even when most customers who report here say they find nothing except random noise.


We continue to see people buying these LRL models and complaining that they don't work. So why should I believe they work when most people who bought them say they don't?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

OK.

Regards

[g-sani]

Hi to everybody.
Buying LRLs when you have some money to spent might be an adiction for some people.It is like people fishing, even though they have a tackle they buy another one and another one from time to time.
The thing here is to choose which one is better(by testing) and for those involved in electronics to try to make them better or to come up whith a new detection method.
So Geo is right when he says that we have to try to make them better.
Through research and improvement humanity accomplishes goals and this is the whole idea about everything in life.
Well, I beleive it is not far the time that a new detection method will come up and the sun will be shining again for all of us.

[Geo]

Hi to everybody.
Buying LRLs when you have some money to spent might be an adiction for some people.It is like people fishing, even though they have a tackle they buy another one and another one from time to time.
The thing here is to choose which one is better(by testing) and for those involved in electronics to try to make them better or to come up whith a new detection method.
So Geo is right when he says that we have to try to make them better.
Through research and improvement humanity accomplishes goals and this is the whole idea about everything in life.
Well, I beleive it is not far the time that a new detection method will come up and the sun will be shining again for all of us.

Amen....

[WM6]

Well, I beleive it is not far the time that a new detection method will come up and the sun will be shining again for all of us.

"sun will be shining again for" sure, but what about gold ...????

[J_Player]

"sun will be shining again for" sure, but what about gold ...????

Buried gold does not shine. It must be recovered and put in the light before we will see it shine.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Buried gold does not shine. It must be recovered and put in the light before we will see it shine.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
It is too late there (about 03:00)...... go for sleep

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
It is too late there (about 03:00)...... go for sleep

Hi Geo,

Who can sleep when the Mineoro site is safe to read again?
You won't believe the cool science discoveries that were made at the Mineoro headquarters.

Mineoro website reports for today: Wednesday - November 11/2009, that the ions rise exactly 7.21 feet (2.19m) high above the ground. http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/field02.php
Then this column of ions moves mostly to the north after reaching 7.21 feet altitude. http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/field03.php Hmmm... I wonder what happens if the wind begins to blow east really strong? I suppose the "Phenomenon" is stronger than a strong wind, so the ions hovering in the air will not move with the air.

It seems strange that drift tube experiments do not detect these cylindrical clouds of ions hovering in the air above buried treasures. So how can the Mineoro locators detect them? This is also explained on the Mineoro pages:
"When the negative "ion"finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensely, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit and automatically destroy themselves.

As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them: in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal as fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds, detectable in sensitive electronic circuits and projected for this aim.

The classifier just filters the negative "ions", twin pairs of positivie "ions" produced by the classifier". From: http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/explanations.php

We know the laboratory instruments like drift tubes and squid amplifiers cannot find these ion concentrations hovering in the air, but the Mineoro detectors can. How is this done? The secret is the PVC tube with gold foil inside. Why spend the thousands of dollars for laboratory equipment to verify these clouds of ions, when you can do it for just pennies with PVC tubing and some gold foil? These PVC tubes create a miniature polar field inside using the same gold as you are trying to locate. And the best part is you need only a battery and a PVC tube with gold foil inside to create the polar field that makes it possible to detect gold from over a thousand feet. So don't waste your money on expensive laboratory equipment when a battery and gold foil will work nicely to detect the "dying Romeo and Juliet of the ions emitting a crash". PS. If expensive laboratory equipment determines there are no ions in the air, throw the lab equipment away. It is obviously defective. You can replace it with some PVC tube and gold foil with a battery.

[Theseus]

Hi Geo,

Who can sleep when the Mineoro site is safe to read again?
You won't believe the cool science discoveries that were made at the Mineoro headquarters.

Mineoro website reports for today: Wednesday - November 11/2009, that the ions rise exactly 7.21 feet (2.19m) high above the ground.

And if you believe that crap, I've got some ocean-front property in Arizona to sell you.... cheap.

[g-sani]

"sun will be shining again for" sure, but what about gold ...????

It will sure be a shiny day the day we will find gold my friend.
In ancient times gold's symbol was the sun.Why?
May be because they are very similar when shining.

Mind you that it hapened to me once and it really was a shiny day.

Dear J Player gold shines(doesn't glow) even in caves.A torch light is enough to make you smile.

[sweatofglory]

Amen....

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