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[Clondike Clad]

what is the PHENOMENON

In this LRL videos everybody can see how dificult is the PD calibration until we get the correct point when he start detecting the small targets,i do this more esay but Geo also get point and the signals.
People here,all should understand PHENOMENON is real.

IF it is real what is it and can I see it on a scope?

[J_Player]

As Esteban stated, long time buried metal phenomenon is and has always been real. That's unquestionable and does not need further coments.

This is absolutely wrong.
The "phenomenon" has never been demonstrated to be what Alonoso and Damasio said it was. It exists as explained on the Mineoro website only in the minds of Mineoro believers, which are two people in this forum (so far). To say that "the phenomenon" as described by Alonso and Damasio is not questionable is ludricrous. If anyone would follow the advice to not question "the phenomenon" as it is published on the Mineoro website, they would have to put on their blinders to ignore what scientists have discovered about this "phenomenon", as well as ignoring any new discoveries about it which could also show Alonso and Damasio were wrong.

Scientists have found evidence through repeatable testing to prove that any ions that are shed from a buried metal object are neutralised when they become bound with other constituents in the soil. They proved this happens between 10 cm and 30 cm below the surface of the soil, and any trace amount of atoms of the buried treasure which reach the surface are not ions, but compounds which are no longer ionized. Further, they showed these compounds do not become airborne. They discovered the trace amounts of buried metal ions that reach the surface of the soil become metal compounds, and can move only by the forces of erosion of the soil surface.

But people who say the Mineoro concept of "the phenomenon" should not be questioned claim these ions from corroded buried metal travel into the air where they hover to a height of 7.2 feet above the surface. They continue to claim this as undeniable fact, even though testing has shown there are no treasure ions hovering in a column anywhere above the surface.

As I recall, Dr. hung has also posted claims that the DNA of gold creates a substance that coats the surface to protect it from oxidation and rust, as well as telling us his RangerTell "shoots a signal line which is returned", apparently using some transmitting equipment which nobody has been able to find inside the RangerTell. Yet neither the existence of gold DNA, transmitters "shooting signal lines", or ions hovering 7.2 feet in the air above a buried metal object have ever been demonstrated to be facts, while scientists have shown in their testing that these are not facts, but false claims. In other words this is false misinformation that Dr. hung posted in the forum.

So why is it that when we have strong evidence to suggest the science concepts of Dr. hung are false, he tells us they are unquestionable and do not need further comments? By what mandate must we agree that the "Alonso and Damasio" concept of "the phenomenon" is unquestionable and does not need further comments?

By mandate of Dr. hung?
Isn't this similar to how the Pope once mandated that all people were to believe the earth is the center of the universe, regardless of what evidence Galileo's telescope showed to say it is not true? Is Dr. hung now the infallible, all-knowing high priest of LRLs whose ideas cannot be questioned regardless of what evidence proves he is wrong?

When I hear someone saying their idea is unquestionable and does not need comments, I know I am hearing talk from someone who consider their ideas to be infallible as the supreme intelligence.

I think I will be wise to believe what Geo or Morgan post is the truth as they observed without being mandated to accept Dr. hung's commentaries and false scientific propaganda. Always, I like discoveries to be open to questions, comments and discussion.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

This is absolutely wrong.
The "phenomenon" has never been demonstrated to be what Alonoso and Damasio said it was. It exists as explained on the Mineoro website only in the minds of Mineoro believers, which are two people in this forum (so far). To say that "the phenomenon" as described by Alonso and Damasio is not questionable is ludricrous. If anyone would follow the advice to not question "the phenomenon" as it is published on the Mineoro website, they would have to put on their blinders to ignore what scientists have discovered about this "phenomenon", as well as ignoring any new discoveries about it which could also show Alonso and Damasio were wrong.

Scientists have found evidence through repeatable testing to prove that any ions that are shed from a buried metal object are neutralised when they become bound with other constituents in the soil. They proved this happens between 10 cm and 30 cm below the surface of the soil, and any trace amount of atoms of the buried treasure which reach the surface are not ions, but compounds which are no longer ionized. Further, they showed these compounds do not become airborne. They discovered the trace amounts of buried metal ions that reach the surface of the soil become metal compounds, and can move only by the forces of erosion of the soil surface.

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Best wishes,
J_P

Absolutely correct.

In fact, "the phenomenon" is really nothing more than a copy of, or extension of the LRL salesman-created marketing term known as F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields have never existed except in the minds of those ad writing marketing schemers who wish to take advantage of the technically-challenged and gullible treasure hunters. Today, KellyCo still runs ads for their Ground Resistance Analyzers, and utilize the bogus term FERF in their copy.

If "the phenomenon" or FERF actually existed, it would certainly have been recognized by rational science after all these years - and not remained in the category of "wish science", seen only by a mere handful of esoteric observers, having zero accreditation or collaboration.

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.

[Morgan]

The real PD frequencies

Of course, phenomenon is REAL. And treasure size is "hot spot".

Hi all

Today Geo was with me in the radio amateur laboratory.
He measure the frequencies of my PD clone and the Alonso PD.
The real PD frequencies are diferent from my PD clone and he as also diferent freq. in his PD made in Greece.
I let this technical language between Geo and the forum,he is the rigth person to explain to the RS forum members this measurments.

Regards to all

[J_Player]

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.

Hmmm...
Yes, I did consider the source. This is the same Dr. hung who posted that gold has DNA which produces a substance that coats the surface to protect it from oxidation and rust. He also declined to give any explanations or evidence to support his "gold DNA" science.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Absolutely correct.

In fact, "the phenomenon" is really nothing more than a copy of, or extension of the LRL salesman-created marketing term known as F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields have never existed except in the minds of those ad writing marketing schemers who wish to take advantage of the technically-challenged and gullible treasure hunters. Today, KellyCo still runs ads for their Ground Resistance Analyzers, and utilize the bogus term FERF in their copy.

If "the phenomenon" or FERF actually existed, it would certainly have been recognized by rational science after all these years - and not remained in the category of "wish science", seen only by a mere handful of esoteric observers, having zero accreditation or collaboration.

When Hung makes silly statements like; "the phenomenon is unquestionable and does not need further comments", it is important to consider the source and discount it as having zero relevance.

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

[Theseus]

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

I have no idea what you mean by your term "burns" in the above quote.

FERF is a made-up term and has no real meaning or relationship to practical science or to long time buried metal.

You say you'd rather call it "the phenomenon" because it is complex and involves unknowns. Okay... but here are some FACTS that don't involve unknowns, but do relate to various metals buried in a soil environment. These facts are the result of my own experiments and study and have been corroborated many times over by other investigators in the same field of study.

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment. Even if two dissimilar metal are in actual contact with each other, as the corrosion of one or both takes place, the electrical contact between the two is broke and the corrosion that occurs is concentrated on each individually.

All corrosion is based on loosing electrons. No metal is pure and even the local environment can cause one part of the same piece of metal to become anodic to other areas on the same piece. One area looses electrons and corrodes while the area receiving the electrons is cathodically protected. The anodic area eventually becomes polarized and then the corrosion stops in that area. Then another anodic area starts.
Since no metal is truely pure, there are always anodic areas in the metal. Also if any metal gets struck hard or gets bent, that stressed area becomes anodic -- thus the name stress corrosion.

Charge carriers within a metal are electrons, and the charge carriers external to the metal are ions.

Questions are; do the ions that flow between the two metals concentrate themselves in any way in the soil (electrolyte) around and in the area of the more noble metal? If so, would this concentration form some sort of a charged area (a field, or "a phenomenon") in the soil that is significantly different from other areas of the soil where there are no noble metals?

What metallic ions flow away from the source immediately bond with any anions in the environment such as Cl, OH, SO4, etc. Thus forming a corrosion area around the metal. Today, there is no evidence to suggest they might escape into the atmosphere or hover above the ground.

In actually, there is little flow of metal ions between metals that are physically separated; as explained above. In a pile of iron or with other material, organic or metal, then iron corrosion products can coat them.

What about some of the most noble metals in the galvanic series, such as Platinum and Gold? Gold is probably considered to be the most noble of all metals and in that regard is thought to be the most inert. Yet if Gold or Platinum were in a suitable soil environment where they shared the same electrolyte with less noble metal, would they not enter into a typical corrosion process with other nearby less noble metal, just as readily as other metals? (Not that the Gold or Platinum would suffer any corrosion, but simply that it would enter into typical corrosion ion flows with other less noble and corroding metal.)

If gold or platinum were in contact with any other metal, -- Key thing is in contact - then the electrons would flow from the less noble metal to the more noble metal. The less noble would corrode as the electrons flowed. But the metal ions of the corroding metal mainly build up as a corrosion layer around the corroding metal. The corrosion layer consists of the metal ions of the corroding metal, any anions in the environment and the matrix (sand, gravel, etc.) that is in the area.

Gold and Platinum in most instances are very very reluctant to give up any of their electrons, thus they do not lose any metal ions.

The key point here is this: Most corrosion of metal is within and among the constituent area of the same piece. The interaction between two dissimilar metals that are not in physical and electrical contact is minimal at best, and certainly does not create a "field" or "a phenomenon" that has to this day escaped detection by rational science and scientific investigation.

(Sorry I don't speak or write Spanish or Portuguese, so I have to give you my facts in English)

[Fred]

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment.

Actually conductivity changes a lot. And soil is conductive too ...So we have a no-so good conductor around a very good conductor...all this submitted to electric and magnetic fields.

[Max]

F.E.R.F. Free Electron Radiation Fields can be obscure... because nobody knows all the factors in sites with metal buried for long time. This is the reason I use the word phenomenon. Through the years around metal buried for long time are created an own "atmosphere". Here the metal in conjunction wit humidity and oxidation-migration creates a kind of "field", is like a battery in ground. Here the magnetic lines of Earth can be distorted by these good conductive metals buried for long time. A quantity of metal buried for long time as a treasure directly is energetic, because an open gate of a IC connected via antenna burns in presence of it... I'm explaining since my own experiences and study in situ by many years.

Sometimes the last transistor of audio stage of a common MD burns here...

Esteban knows better!

But this seems really Esteban's science...

Hmmm... I guess it doesn't work...

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

I have no idea what you mean by your term "burns" in the above quote.

What Esteban means is if you are in the location of a buried metal object with a strong signal, and you are trying to detect it by using an antenna connected to an IC with an open gate, then then the amount of energy being sensed will be strong enough to cause a current overload in the IC, causing it to permanently malfunction, possibly accompanied by the smell of a burning IC. He says he knows this from his own field experience.

FERF is a made-up term and has no real meaning or relationship to practical science or to long time buried metal.

You say you'd rather call it "the phenomenon" because it is complex and involves unknowns. Okay... but here are some FACTS that don't involve unknowns, but do relate to various metals buried in a soil environment. These facts are the result of my own experiments and study and have been corroborated many times over by other investigators in the same field of study.

Very little if anything is happening around the more noble metal buried in a soil environment. Even if two dissimilar metal are in actual contact with each other, as the corrosion of one or both takes place, the electrical contact between the two is broke and the corrosion that occurs is concentrated on each individually.

All corrosion is based on loosing electrons. No metal is pure and even the local environment can cause one part of the same piece of metal to become anodic to other areas on the same piece. One area looses electrons and corrodes while the area receiving the electrons is cathodically protected. The anodic area eventually becomes polarized and then the corrosion stops in that area. Then another anodic area starts.
Since no metal is truely pure, there are always anodic areas in the metal. Also if any metal gets struck hard or gets bent, that stressed area becomes anodic -- thus the name stress corrosion.

Charge carriers within a metal are electrons, and the charge carriers external to the metal are ions.

Questions are; do the ions that flow between the two metals concentrate themselves in any way in the soil (electrolyte) around and in the area of the more noble metal? If so, would this concentration form some sort of a charged area (a field, or "a phenomenon") in the soil that is significantly different from other areas of the soil where there are no noble metals?

What metallic ions flow away from the source immediately bond with any anions in the environment such as Cl, OH, SO4, etc. Thus forming a corrosion area around the metal. Today, there is no evidence to suggest they might escape into the atmosphere or hover above the ground.

In actually, there is little flow of metal ions between metals that are physically separated; as explained above. In a pile of iron or with other material, organic or metal, then iron corrosion products can coat them.

What about some of the most noble metals in the galvanic series, such as Platinum and Gold? Gold is probably considered to be the most noble of all metals and in that regard is thought to be the most inert. Yet if Gold or Platinum were in a suitable soil environment where they shared the same electrolyte with less noble metal, would they not enter into a typical corrosion process with other nearby less noble metal, just as readily as other metals? (Not that the Gold or Platinum would suffer any corrosion, but simply that it would enter into typical corrosion ion flows with other less noble and corroding metal.)

If gold or platinum were in contact with any other metal, -- Key thing is in contact - then the electrons would flow from the less noble metal to the more noble metal. The less noble would corrode as the electrons flowed. But the metal ions of the corroding metal mainly build up as a corrosion layer around the corroding metal. The corrosion layer consists of the metal ions of the corroding metal, any anions in the environment and the matrix (sand, gravel, etc.) that is in the area.

Gold and Platinum in most instances are very very reluctant to give up any of their electrons, thus they do not lose any metal ions.

The key point here is this: Most corrosion of metal is within and among the constituent area of the same piece. The interaction between two dissimilar metals that are not in physical and electrical contact is minimal at best, and certainly does not create a "field" or "a phenomenon" that has to this day escaped detection by rational science and scientific investigation.

Hi Theseus,
What you report is true for experiments done with various metals in the soil, and will hold true for experiments that extend for well over a year of research. Much has been studied in this area by companies who bury pipes and cables for the utilities. They often design anodic protection systems to prevent corrosion of the buried pipes and cables.

But things begin to change when we look at metals that are buried for longer terms, say more than 20 years. And these changes become very noticeable when the metal is buried for thousands of years. Scientists have found that the corrosion chemistry is different when observing the minute corrosion effects over these long time spans. Gold, platinum and other metals that naturally resist corrosion show evidence of very definite corrosion, and migration of ions in the soil in trace amounts. The chemistry that causes this corrosion is not from other metals, but from cyanide that is excreted by microorganisms which live deep under the surface. This happens in trace amounts, and depends on proximity to the buried metal, and also depends on capillary action of rain cycles, or underground moisture movement to transport the ions away from the metal host. Subterranean microorganisms also excrete organic acids and sulfur complexes which can suspend the corroded metal ions during the time when they are below the surface. The observations of the scientists who study these corrosion mechanics show the metal ions usually migrate upward (vertically) toward the surface of the earth. The metal ions eventually bind with other constituents of the soil during the final 10-30 cm before reaching the surface. At the time they bind, they become compounds (In the case of gold, it combines with itself into a gold lattice to create a microparticle). Never have they ever found any evidence of these ions surviving at the surface of the soil or above it.

This "long-time buried" chemistry is capable of transporting trace amounts of ions from noble metals such as gold and platinum, measured in the sub-parts per billion in a soil sample. But even in these trace amounts, when the process continues for long enough, scientists have found some of these moving metal ions can precipitate into new gold nuggets at some distance from the host metal which is usually below the new nugget formations. This has been observed on very long time buried natural gold deposits (more than 50,000 years old). The time involved for these processes depends on the presence and concentrations of microorganisms that excrete cyanide, low molecular weight organic acids, and sulfur complexes. The time lapse also depends on annual rain cycles to provide the capillary action needed to draw the ions upward with the moisture. In ideal conditions created in a laboratory, more than 1 part per billion gold ion concentration can be measured in the soil after a month using simple methods. Gold ions can easily obtained by seeding a bucket of damp soil with gold pellets, then incubating the soil with known cyanide excreting microorganisms. This will create a strong gold ion concentration in the soil in one month, which usually takes more than a century when relying on the rain cycles and other fortuitous circumstances.

The mechanisms I described above are what scientists have observed. They did not report any observations of strange electrical activity in these locations of buried metal. But then, maybe they were not looking for electrical activities.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

PHENOMENON

Actually conductivity changes a lot. And soil is conductive too ...So we have a no-so good conductor around a very good conductor...all this submitted to electric and magnetic fields.

Hi

I talk with Geo about this PHENOMENON generated by buried metals and his opinion is the same as yours.

[connie]

Hi,
a woman ? Here ? How come ? But like Caster Semeya or with less hormones ???

you're lucky... they washed your brain only!

And your pockets and wallet also...

But you're still intact at interesting parts ...aren't you ???

Maybe not... hmmmm.... depends how much you paid for that piece of junk I think... Maybe hurts... cause the stuff don't work for c.r.a.p.

Don't worry... be happy... you can resell it on ebay to some other fool... but place a reasonable price of some thousand dollars...

Kind regards,
Max

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie

[Esteban]

HI Max!!!

what, you have a problem with women joining the forum??

I,m not worry, I'm very happy, thank you...
and yes I paid quite something!!!
and believe me, I'm still waiting for positive results.
I'm a real treasure hunter,
and I'm a women with a lot of guts!!!! and all I ask is some respect.
I'm new in this forum and I look foward to achieve more experience from the experts. I have no doubt there are many in this forum and hopefully I can learn from them.

Thank you morgan for the demostration, I hope I can see it soon and I'll be waiting for positive results.

best regards to all.

Connie

Problem? He said that he know much about women!

[Esteban]

What Esteban means is if you are in the location of a buried metal object with a strong signal, and you are trying to detect it by using an antenna connected to an IC with an open gate, then then the amount of energy being sensed will be strong enough to cause a current overload in the IC, causing it to permanently malfunction, possibly accompanied by the smell of a burning IC. He says he knows this from his own field experience.

Fet is very delicate. As I can't measure this strong signal of treasure, I put the antenna at 10 centimeters of TV screen and fet again kaputt! I repeat with other circuit based on array transistors CA3046, and again kaputt! So, wich is the nature of treasure buried for long time for to causes total malfunction in IC when input is exposed or semiexposed via an antenna?

[J_Player]

...Fet is very delicate. As I can't measure this strong signal of treasure, I put the antenna at 10 centimeters of TV screen and fet again kaputt! I repeat with other circuit based on array transistors CA3046, and again kaputt! So, wich is the nature of treasure buried for long time for to causes total malfunction in IC when input is exposed or semiexposed via an antenna?

Hi Esteban,
I cannot tell what is the exact cause of these FETs burning near treasures. But after much reading, I see posts that say Jinns will often cause equipment malfunction when near treasures. Of course, you have not seen any Jinns in the places where you hunt for treasure. But according to Jinn witnesses, these Jinns can be invisible to people, so you cannot see them making problems for your treasure hunting equipment. This means it is possible these Jinns are causing problems for your FETs when you cannot see them. Maybe they are watching you without your knowledge?

I cannot prove that Jinns caused the FETs to burn, but nobody can prove they are not the cause of this FET burning.
So what to say?
This is now a mystery we cannot know without first making a scan with a Jinn detector to assure no Jinns are present.

Best wishes,
J_P