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  • #16
    Originally posted by Geo View Post
    Hi J_P.
    who is your opinion about samples???
    When i use the L rods and i have a sample at my hand i have more success. Without sample i find every metal, rusts etc.
    Also some LRLs have inside sample. So how it work????

    Regards
    ideomotor, self-deception and selective memory ?

    I mean... maybe when you have sample you feel more comfortable you can locate stuff better and discriminating also... then you dig holes... found same quantity of normal trash etc... but let mind act as selective filter... so you maybe think... ok I found a rusty horsehose there but was not concentrating enough maybe...

    then, when endly find e.g. metal as in sample you think make it the right way.

    You need to record any found item and compare with no-sample experience... but need big numbers... many attempts to have statistical value.

    If so, I think people studing such things could be interested in your "power"... but I think you'll discover this way you find same kind of things with sample or without.

    Try recording each found stuff... and make e.g. excel sheet with data to compare... that's my advice.

    Kind regards,
    Max

    "Kill for gain or shoot to maim...
    But we dont need a reason
    "

    someone said...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Geo
      Hi J_P.
      who is your opinion about samples???
      When i use the L rods and i have a sample at my hand i have more success. Without sample i find every metal, rusts etc.
      Also some LRLs have inside sample. So how it work????

      Regards
      Hi Geo,
      I don't know if dowsing works or not. I know some respectable people who are scientists who know how to determine difference between trick of the mind and working, who says it works for them. So my opinion is maybe it works, and if it does, then it is not from idea motor, but from different principles that nobody has been able explain in an understandable way.

      If there are people who find only random success with dowsing, but have convinced themselves they are finding better than random, then this is a trick of the mind, because maybe they forget to count their empty holes when concluding their dowsing is successful. For these people I think they are using ideamotor methods when they hold dowsing rods. And for these people dowsing does not work, even if they have a trick of the mind to make them believe it works.

      But for people who actually find better than random success with dowsing, then I do not think they are using ideamotor principles. The people I have met who claim success are not interested in telling other people about their success, or arguing about whether it works or not, or how it works. They only use it for their own personal use when they think it can help.

      But your question: Does a sample help find success with dowsing rods?
      Answer: I don't know.
      The people I know who claim success with dowsing do not use samples. These people use brass rods. If sample makes a difference, then maybe the brass in the rods will cause them to find only brass things? I don't think so. They use brass rods because these will not rust like steel rods from coat hangers that lose their paint. Unless I was to learn a principle that causes success in dowsing, I will not know if it helps to use a sample. But I think that if you are finding success with dowsing, and you find better success when using a sample, then you are wise to use a sample.

      p.s.
      I think it is ok to copy the sample chamber method from the "Mr. Stick" using the "Mr. Egg" attachment with rubber band connector. I do not see any patent information that prevents you from using this method to attach two samples. You can also expand this method to hold up to 12 samples if you want!

      Best wishes,
      J_P

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      • #18
        Originally posted by J_Player View Post
        There is no need to know the value of elements for the "Mr. Stick", because it comes fully assembled and working. So no need to construct from parts. The Mr. Stick is guaranteed to work as good as any commercially sold LRL.

        The tuning procedure is explained on the web page. They say you only need to put a sample inside the "Mr. Egg" attachment for discrimination of diamonds, emeralds, paper currency and pharmaceuticals. I think they also say it will find gold, silver, platinum, copper, aluminum, zinc, steel and lead. See here: http://www.geocities.com/joe9999b/MR_STICK.html

        Best wishes,
        J_P
        Very interestnig device.
        Work this item on all continents or only in South America like Mineoro?
        Global capital is ruining your life?
        You have right to self-defence!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by WM6
          Very interestnig device.
          Work this item on all continents or only in South America like Mineoro?
          It is guaranteed to work as well as any Mineoro FG or DC series LRL in a double blind test, or you get your money back.

          Best wishes,
          J_P

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          • #20
            LRL

            hi dears:
            this is a schematic lrl
            your opinion about this schematic please?????

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            • #21
              When i reversed the Vertec LRL, i found inside samples at two places.
              Why????
              Geo

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ma330 View Post
                hi dears:
                this is a schematic lrl
                your opinion about this schematic please?????
                My opinion is this is easy to build. You can build it and test it to see if it works nicely.
                Then you will have better information than any opinion that you can read here.

                Best wishes,
                J_P

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Geo
                  When i reversed the Vertec LRL, i found inside samples at two places.
                  Why????
                  The reason you found those samples is because you reverse-engineered the Vertec.
                  You are not supposed to do that! Shhhhh....

                  Hahahaha

                  Best wishes,J_P

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by J_Player View Post
                    The reason you found those samples is because you reverse-engineered the Vertec.
                    You are not supposed to do that! Shhhhh....

                    Hahahaha

                    Best wishes,J_P


                    Regards
                    Geo

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by J_Player View Post
                      My opinion is this is easy to build. You can build it and test it to see if it works nicely.
                      Then you will have better information than any opinion that you can read here.

                      Best wishes,
                      J_P

                      Also you can tell us about the results

                      Regards
                      Geo

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ma330 View Post
                        hi dears:
                        this is a schematic lrl
                        your opinion about this schematic please?????
                        This is not a LRL it is a receiver from elektor aparently..
                        Now if you want to use it as LRL is your business, and acording to Esteban schematics it may work.

                        BTW, what happened to the beautifull Vistac 2k ?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ma330 View Post
                          hi dears:
                          this is a schematic lrl
                          your opinion about this schematic please?????

                          Hi ma330
                          This is simple tunable field strange meter. Radio amateurs using it for tuning out
                          Put filter section to antenna. I built it many years ago. Be sure working well
                          Without problem. But I don’t know, it is work as LRL .
                          Maybe Esteban knowing ….
                          Best regards.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Fred View Post
                            This is not a LRL it is a receiver from elektor aparently..
                            Now if you want to use it as LRL is your business, and acording to Esteban schematics it may work.

                            BTW, what happened to the beautifull Vistac 2k ?

                            Hi Fred
                            Yes, it was from ELEKTOR magazine. Also published at 300 series books .

                            BTW, what happened to the beautifull Vistac 2k ?


                            May be he found treasure and doesn’t need to this forum
                            Best regards.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by aft_72005 View Post
                              Hi ma330
                              This is simple tunable field strange meter. Radio amateurs using it for tuning out
                              Put filter section to antenna. I built it many years ago. Be sure working well
                              Without problem. But I don’t know, it is work as LRL .
                              Maybe Esteban knowing ….
                              Best regards.
                              If he knows... will probably made a stamp sized diagram to explain...

                              "Kill for gain or shoot to maim...
                              But we dont need a reason
                              "

                              someone said...

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