Morgan and Geo's Videos

[WM6]

For LRL believers, LRL promoters, LRL sellers, LRL producers and their J_Lawyers "as seen on videos" dummy tricks are "the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Well known, not worth to discuss.

But the truth is for one religion to another only cheap LRL promotional trick. Religion (even shintoism) does not need evidence, for it is sufficient only to believe. LRL promotional tricks (although called "undiscovered science", or because of this) but can be easily demonstrated, even if they are made under the medieval maxim: "cuius regio eius religio".

There is only one answer to all LRL believers, LRL promoters, LRL sellers, LRL producers and their J_Lawyers: come to my "regio" (testing field) and repeat such dummy trics. I am willing to buy 20 gr gold medal with the inscription "LRL WINNER", and buried only 5 cm deep in soil, and if you manage to find it with any of yours LRL crappy toys, medal is yours. That medal is really buried at the end we prove by ordinary Chinese metal detector.

So stop by bla bla loading here and prepare instead yourself on the real controlled test.

[J_Player]

...come to my "regio" (testing field) and repeat such dummy trics...

...So stop by bla bla loading here and prepare instead yourself on the real controlled test.

Can you show us photos of your controlled testing facilities?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Morgan and Geo great work, I'm glad someone had finally posted some nice videos.
It seems to me that the general public is simply expecting great results from an emerging field. Are the results achieved by regular MD so great? but we should keep in mind that metal detectors have been in use for XXX number of years. They were widely used during WWII and were constantly improved to achieve what have now. But still after so many years, as far as I'm concerned we don't even have a coil that would detect gold only. How many pull tabs and bottle caps we have to pick before we find a ring?
Therefore for me what I saw on those videos was a great achievement. I wish best of luck to all those like: Geo, Morgan, Esteban and others who are in pursuit of discovering new things not yet known to the science.
In the Shintoism (religion of Japan) they say: there is 100% of the world's knowledge, 3% are the things we know that we know (like speaking your own language or using a metal detector ), 7% are the things we know that we don't know (how to fly an airplane or perform a surgery) and the rest are things that we don't know that we don't know.

Very good post and wise comparison.

You will still get to the conclusion (like me years ago), that the 'true wallet miners' are the ordinary concept MD corporations who make thousands and thousands of dollars a year selling old WWII detector concepts for consumers and making them believe there's no choice other than the outdated local induced magnetic field methods.

Just like fossil fuel corporations will inevitably surrender to the evidence of new clean and much more advanced energy options, it's only a matter of time before MD consumers realize the difference between a toy and a tool.

Regards.

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Very good post and wise comparison.

You will still get to the conclusion (like me years ago), that the 'true wallet miners' are the ordinary concept MD corporations who make thousands and thousands of dollars a year selling old WWII detector concepts for consumers and making them believe there's no choice other than the outdated local induced magnetic field methods.

Just like fossil fuel corporations will inevitably surrender to the evidence of new clean and much more advanced energy options, it's only a matter of time before MD consumers realize the difference between a toy and a tool.

Regards.

Why not let the pros test the detectors (UL etc)
Why not arls DB test.
Why not post on youtube etc.

[Fred]

Ok, that's true. Correct. But the rest is pretty same generally.

Hi Ivconic,
I don´t know the video you refer to , but one other probable difference is that they have nothing to sell .
This is not propaganda.

I have posted this before, i´m sure you will think about it:this is a possible scenario to explain (reletively) long range detection:

-Long time buried metal creates an anomaly larger than the metal itself (it is a fact, halo effect)
-this anomaly creates a difference in soil resistivity (for ex.)
-This (lower) soil resistivity creates a difference in voltage gradient above it.

Then you measure the voltage gradient (100v/m) above earth surface...
This is not easy nor 100% fiable,plus direction sensitive, thus all the problems found with thos devices.

[Jim]

From the videos, it appears the targets were known. That is no big surprise.

What is a surprise is how violently you have to swing/shake/move the locators about to make them work. Once over the target (within a few inches) they do not work. Just how in the heck do you pinpoint something when it beeps with your arm extended out to the right, but you are walking straight ahead?

The pinpointing skills with the metal detector was so dramatic, it was ridicules. Its over here…no, its over here..no, its way over here.

Good grief folks

[Theseus]

You will still get to the conclusion (like me years ago), that the 'true wallet miners' are the ordinary concept MD corporations who make thousands and thousands of dollars a year selling old WWII detector concepts for consumers and making them believe there's no choice other than the outdated local induced magnetic field methods.

Regards.

Hung, do you come up with these incredibly wrong ideas and notions all by yourself, or is there an outside agency paying you to put them in print here?

Apparently, you've not taken the time to examine or use a modern-day MD in the last 50 years. Maybe if you'd put down that random-beeping contraption, based on a nonsense theory, and do a little homework on the subject, you would become enlightened.

Or... maybe not.

[Theseus]

From the videos, it appears the targets were known. That is no big surprise.

What is a surprise is how violently you have to swing/shake/move the locators about to make them work. Once over the target (within a few inches) they do not work. Just how in the heck do you pinpoint something when it beeps with your arm extended out to the right, but you are walking straight ahead?

The pinpointing skills with the metal detector was so dramatic, it was ridicules. Its over here…no, its over here..no, its way over here.

Good grief folks

Aaaaaa... Hmmmm... you noticed that too.

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic,
I don´t know the video you refer to , but one other probable difference is that they have nothing to sell .
This is not propaganda.

I have posted this before, i´m sure you will think about it:this is a possible scenario to explain (reletively) long range detection:

-Long time buried metal creates an anomaly larger than the metal itself (it is a fact, halo effect)
-this anomaly creates a difference in soil resistivity (for ex.)
-This (lower) soil resistivity creates a difference in voltage gradient above it.

Then you measure the voltage gradient (100v/m) above earth surface...
This is not easy nor 100% fiable,plus direction sensitive, thus all the problems found with thos devices.

Think twice. Morgan himself probably has nothing to promote and sell. But remember the experiences from videos; Alonso's PD was more accurate and sensitive than Morgan's!
So...indirect way to persuade public that there is "something" behind the bush!
Hung just proclaimed new miracle from Alonso's kitchen :
"... I talked to Mineoro this week and the one thing which might resemble a little miracle from Alonso will come up soon..."

Ok...this could sound as conspiracy theory, which in fact is not. I am sceptic but i am not paranoic (at least not that much) !

About the rest:

"....-Long time buried metal creates an anomaly larger than the metal itself (it is a fact, halo effect)
-this anomaly creates a difference in soil resistivity (for ex.)
-This (lower) soil resistivity creates a difference in voltage gradient above it.

Then you measure the voltage gradient (100v/m) above earth surface...
This is not easy nor 100% fiable,plus direction sensitive, thus all the problems found with thos devices...."

Good thinking. I agree. Conventional science already made some steps in that direction. Magnetometry, NMR, GPR ...etc..etc..
We are hobbysts here, we deal with "easy" stuff. More advance technology is already available....for certain sum of course - we can not afford!
But in industry simillar technology is already in use for some time.
Not cheap stuff - way over our league, that's why we dont speak to much about those....

[hung]

What is a surprise is how violently you have to swing/shake/move the locators about to make them work. Good grief folks

Wrong.
That's why I have stated that the images will bring much more confusion than explanations to unexperienced people.

One more time: NO need to swing/shake or move the device at all is required.
A stationary position of the arm will make the device beep. It's not friction of air or something else which makes it react, but the response of the fields around a target . In the video, they sweeped the device for pinpointing when close to target or just because they wished it to. From long range, a stationary position of device will make it beep as well.

[hung]

?apparently you've not taken the time to examine or use a modern-day MD in the last 50 years. Maybe if you'd put down that random-beeping contraption, based on a nonsense theory, and do a little homework on the subject, you would become enlightened.

Or... maybe not.

Your 'modern-day' MD still can't tell the difference between a gold coin from a pull tab. And if this last one is degraded, forget it.
The only thing good ordinary MDs did was improving the user health.
User walks miles and gets fit.

[Max]

Wrong.
That's why I have stated that the images will bring much more confusion than explanations to unexperienced people.

One more time: NO need to swing/shake or move the device at all is required.
A stationary position of the arm will make the device beep. It's not friction of air or something else which makes it react, but the response of the fields around a target . In the video, they sweeped the device for pinpointing when close to target or just because they wished it to. From long range, a stationary position of device will make it beep as well.

Dr Hung.... new stuff !???

Even Esteban told us that device need to be slowly sweeped right-left/left-right...

What are you talking about ???

Always non sense from you... and red hairs...

Kind regards,
Max

[ivconic]

Your 'modern-day' MD still can't tell the difference between a gold coin from a pull tab. And if this last one is degraded, forget it.
The only thing good ordinary MDs did was improving the user health.
User walks miles and gets fit.

Ehhh! Hung! It is not like that! I suggest you to try White's DFX, Minelab Explorer SE and most probably new Spectra (this one i havent seen yet).
Those machines are capable to recognize alloys pretty accurate. I was/am delited with Explorer SE and it's learn mode! Hot stuff!

[Max]

Your 'modern-day' MD still can't tell the difference between a gold coin from a pull tab. And if this last one is degraded, forget it.
The only thing good ordinary MDs did was improving the user health.
User walks miles and gets fit.

Hmmmmm.....

With Mineoro even better... cause you'll find nothing and continue walking... till will arrive in China...

Kind regards,
Max

[hung]

Actually, not to be totally negative about MDs, I own a Minelab Excalibur which I use exclusively when I dive for ocean floor work. It's very good and keeps falsing to a minimum.
The day I figure out how to make a waterproof LRL to dive with it, I would certainly retire it.