Morgan and Geo's Videos

[WM6]

The only thing good ordinary MDs did was improving the user health.
User walks miles and gets fit.

Right! And this is big weakness of LRLs. By LRL you do not need to walk, because you detect all gold from Long Range Distance from your armchair. What charm of search are those LRL-ing?

[Theseus]

Your 'modern-day' MD still can't tell the difference between a gold coin from a pull tab. And if this last one is degraded, forget it.
The only thing good ordinary MDs did was improving the user health.
User walks miles and gets fit.

Your random beeper can't either. At least a metal detector can eliminate the huge quantities of tin foil and identify scrap magnetic metal in the ground. According to the video I just saw, the random beeper reacts to tin foil, odd bits of scrap metal, probably pop bottle caps and who knows what else.

And, if the wild swinging gyrations are any indication of what is necessary to create beeping sounds... I could imagine there may have been a mercury switch in the box and as a result of the "swinging"; caused a circuit to close that caused the beeping. Just another thought....

Incidentally, the video I just saw showed operators walking too. Not once did I see the operator stand stock still point to a spot 30 feet ahead of him and indicate to dig in a designated spot. Of course the arm swinging results in good exercise too, as well as the walking.

[hung]

Ehhh! Hung! It is not like that! I suggest you to try White's DFX, Minelab Explorer SE and most probably new Spectra (this one i havent seen yet).
Those machines are capable to recognize alloys pretty accurate. I was/am delited with Explorer SE and it's learn mode! Hot stuff!

Ivconic, I'm not talking about devices per se. I'm talking about the concept used. I'm sure there are improved models out there, but the concept is the same.

No matter how much electronics you put in a radio it will still be a radio.

Regards.

[Theseus]

Ehhh! Hung! It is not like that! I suggest you to try White's DFX, Minelab Explorer SE and most probably new Spectra (this one i havent seen yet).
Those machines are capable to recognize alloys pretty accurate. I was/am delited with Explorer SE and it's learn mode! Hot stuff!

Remember, Hung has not experienced a modern-day MD, so he is not aware of the advances. He is probably still using the Garrett Dual Coil BFO that I retired in 1972.

Or, perhaps he still uses the WWII war surplus detector.

[ivconic]

"...Ivconic, I'm not talking about devices per se. I'm talking about the concept used. I'm sure there are improved models out there, but the concept is the same.
No matter how much electronics you put in a radio it will still be a radio...."



Not really. See... there was evolution with appearances of DSP. DSP oriented machines are quite different in morphology than conventional ones. Different approach, different type of signall that is processed at them. Major differences.
The fact that those are still "boxes with coils" means nothing really.
Quite different technology involved there. Advanced...pretty advanced.
Huge steps have being made since '90s.

Ok...just look the shot i attached. Obvious differences between pulltab and gold coin. Can't be confused at all..

[hung]

"...Ivconic, I'm not talking about devices per se. I'm talking about the concept used. I'm sure there are improved models out there, but the concept is the same.
No matter how much electronics you put in a radio it will still be a radio...."



Not really. See... there was evolution with appearances of DSP. DSP oriented machines are quite different in morphology than conventional ones. Different approach, different type of signall that is processed at them. Major differences.
The fact that those are still "boxes with coils" means nothing really.
Quite different technology involved there. Advanced...pretty advanced.
Huge steps have being made since '90s.

Ok...just look the shot i attached. Obvious differences between pulltab and gold coin. Can't be confused at all..

Yes. Digital processing morphology has its place in electronics since the late 80's, early 90's. It improves data filtering and aproach but again in this case, it's an enhancement limited to the old MD's concept realm.

The fact this shows at the GUI Display a differenciation among the coin and the pull tab is realy neat, but you know very well that this most of the time does not express reality, because the data input and processed to ID these materials are based on commonly found conductivity standards in the internal datalog. Metals degraded, soil mineralization and even long time buried metals produce variable which screws detection.
Add to this, the incredible depth limitation those devices pocess.

Now, picture in your mind, DSP inside an electronic LRL. A processor inside. No need to be ultra fast. A 1 GHz CPU would suffice. This CPU would manage operations inside the circuit similar to what it does in the regular MD, with the advantage of pocessing long range detection and also updating its filtering information in realtime, building up a real time library.

Which concept of the above you think would benefit best?
Answer: An automobile could be turned into a Formula 1 car. But the Jet Fighter would be turned into a UFO.

[mosha]

Thanks

Thank you Morgan & Geo, I appreciate your efforts.

best regards,

Mosha

[ivconic]

Yes. Digital processing morphology has its place in electronics since the late 80's, early 90's. It improves data filtering and aproach but again in this case, it's an enhancement limited to the old MD's concept realm.

The fact this shows at the GUI Display a differenciation among the coin and the pull tab is realy neat, but you know very well that this most of the time does not express reality, because the data input and processed to ID these materials are based on commonly found conductivity standards in the internal datalog. Metals degraded, soil mineralization and even long time buried metals produce variable which screws detection.
Add to this, the incredible depth limitation those devices pocess.

Now, picture in your mind, DSP inside an electronic LRL. A processor inside. No need to be ultra fast. A 1 GHz CPU would suffice. This CPU would manage operations inside the circuit similar to what it does in the regular MD, with the advantage of pocessing long range detection and also updating its filtering information in realtime, building up a real time library.

Which concept of the above you think would benefit best?
Answer: An automobile could be turned into a Formula 1 car. But the Jet Fighter would be turned into a UFO.

"...his most of the time does not express reality, because the data input and processed to ID these materials are based on commonly found conductivity standards in the internal datalog..."

Ha! Not exactly! I waited you to say that! That's why i purposelly mentioned LEARN mode. Machine is capable to LEARN in present situation, right exactly on the very spot of the field. No "defaults" to be carried out. I dont mind if pulltab will be displayed 1mm away from default position on GUI (due jitters in defaults you mentioned) as long as it was displayed differently than gold coin. See? Jitters which affects default presets are simultaneously affecting pulltab as well as gold coin, at the same time. So pretty clear and visible diffreneces between pulltab and gold coin will always be there on GUI, no matter the jitters.

"...Now, picture in your mind, DSP inside an electronic LRL..."

Does make sence only if LRL works for real, otherwise it would be even more expensive toy.
What we have to do is first to clear up all the doubts and obscurities about LRL functionallity. Once that done - the rest would be easy (to rise it up to DSP level)...

[detectoman]

j. player: geo not dude before on lrl, geo cant put to working any form the owns pd, so geo travel to see the frecuencies, and try and comparations, dudbt to morgan is dude on esteban, esteban have time help in all forms to we, jajaja you're how st thomas, need put fingers on holes, i only need for understand practice myself on lrl project, then understand lrl is possible, you j. player not make experimentations so, you need other take conclusions for you rest for see the work easy, for be convinced is need further experimentations but not neccesary see videos, morgan is extreme sincere, clear, and your dude of he, dude of esteban and the genius electronic alonso, after see the pdk prototipe in action, these is excess the videos are sufficient, clear, not trick, one baby see these, isnt possible these trick on these videos, may be any ocassional beepd but pd is work in 80 %
you need try whit owns hands? huuuuuuuuuuu may be the esteban expositions are product of one man genius for make extreme aciertos of efective electronic, i try many of esteban tips and are true, isnt ocassional or motivo of dudbt
morgan can make other most clear videos, in free field then accept? very much videos how many?

one embrace,

[detectoman]

conclusions, geo no fue a portugal por dudar, fue a ver porque su pd no funcionaba, y porque el no estaba seguro de sus propios trabajos, tambien fue a ver las frecuencias, y a hacer comparaciones, dudar de morgan es dudar de la larga trayectoria de esteban ayudandonos claramente y dudar del genio electronico americano alonso el cual hizo posible mineoro se desarrollara, mineoro limpios circuitos y pulcros, veealos, ustedes son como santo tomas necesitan demasiadas pruebas y eso es debido a que no quieren experimentar por ustedes mismos y solo quieren hacerlo cuando ya la cosa es facil, sin ofenderlos, no es necesario ver videos para creer, yo solo necesite hacer mi primer prototipo de pd para ver que si era posible lo que se decia, este detectaba superior a cualquier md, morgan es extremadamente desinteresado y no ve que aqui puede haber arpias comerciales aguardando sus conclusiones, presentar videos tan claros es exponerse demasiado, hasta le hace propaganda a mineoro desinteresadamente, la pd vemos funciona casi bien, claro esta para la labor que hace ese sencillo circuito es titanico, tomar senal desde 3 mts, con solo 9 volts compact es un genio electronico y no necesita randes fuentes de energia, huf la pc me juega bromas se come las letras, ok miren que todos los tips posibles de esteban son comprobables y fruto de su experiencia, no pueden ser ocasionales ya que sabe lo que presenta y lo entendemos, bueno yo lo entiendo, quizas morgan podria hacer otros videos en campo libre y sin rocas, pero yo no creo sea inteligente en una exposicion publica, morgan ya ha hecho demasiado
mejor piensen que morgan y geo hicieron truco, y que habia otro hombre atras de ellos con un oscilador de alta tension oprimiendolo cada vez que hacian la prueba
solo les digo una cosa, solo es necesario tratar con una persona para saber si es verdadera o no,veraz o mentiroso
o es un un lrlst o es solo un espectador

[hung]

"...his most of the time does not express reality, because the data input and processed to ID these materials are based on commonly found conductivity standards in the internal datalog..."

Ha! Not exactly! I waited you to say that! That's why i purposelly mentioned LEARN mode. Machine is capable to LEARN in present situation, right exactly on the very spot of the field. No "defaults" to be carried out. I dont mind if pulltab will be displayed 1mm away from default position on GUI (due jitters in defaults you mentioned) as long as it was displayed differently than gold coin. See? Jitters which affects default presets are simultaneously affecting pulltab as well as gold coin, at the same time. So pretty clear and visible diffreneces between pulltab and gold coin will always be there on GUI, no matter the jitters.

"...Now, picture in your mind, DSP inside an electronic LRL..."

Does make sence only if LRL works for real, otherwise it would be even more expensive toy.
What we have to do is first to clear up all the doubts and obscurities about LRL functionallity. Once that done - the rest would be easy (to rise it up to DSP level)...

'Learn Mode' in MDs are faulty and they are only a pale representation of what true realtime analysis should be. In order to have the correct functionality, MDs would have to include precise frequency sinthesizers which would make them impractical and extremely expensive.

But the bottomline as I said earlier is not how effective Learn Mode, DSP or whatever might be. It's the almost century aged concept of local magnetic field detection with its extremely limited range both axially and vertically.

You belong to the MD tribe. I am from the LRL tribe. If your tribe have always combed the hair with a comb of bone, I'm not the one who will be introducing the hair dryer to them. If it works for you fine. Enjoy it.
Live in peace and in harmony.
Regards.

[Theseus]

Real phnomenon vs Imaginary phnomenon

Yes, MDs are based on the concept of local magnetic field detection because it is a real phenomenon and can be reliably observed in repeatable demonstrations by many different operators using a variety of makes and models of MDs, in all kinds of environments and conditions.

When you and your cohorts (tribe) can demonstrate your LRL based on imaginary phenomenon in the same repeatable manner, perhaps then it might have a chance at becoming recognized and advanced up the technology ladder.

Until then, it will just have to stay in the category of wish science, and out of mainstream technology.

[Fred]

Think twice. Morgan himself probably has nothing to promote and sell. But remember the experiences from videos; Alonso's PD was more accurate and sensitive than Morgan's!
So...indirect way to persuade public that there is "something" behind the bush!
Hung just proclaimed new miracle from Alonso's kitchen :
"... I talked to Mineoro this week and the one thing which might resemble a little miracle from Alonso will come up soon..."

Ok...this could sound as conspiracy theory, which in fact is not. I am sceptic but i am not paranoic (at least not that much) !

I personally am sure that Morgan (and Geo) only want to show us how this LRL works.Nothing else.But i have no way to convince you
Now Hung lives in a parallel dimension where he rules laws of physics and they follow his directives.That´s fine for me, but i wouldn´t give too much importnace to his claims.

about the rest:

"....-Long time buried metal creates an anomaly larger than the metal itself (it is a fact, halo effect)
-this anomaly creates a difference in soil resistivity (for ex.)
-This (lower) soil resistivity creates a difference in voltage gradient above it.

Then you measure the voltage gradient (100v/m) above earth surface...
This is not easy nor 100% fiable,plus direction sensitive, thus all the problems found with thos devices...."

Good thinking. I agree. Conventional science already made some steps in that direction. Magnetometry, NMR, GPR ...etc..etc..
We are hobbysts here, we deal with "easy" stuff. More advance technology is already available....for certain sum of course - we can not afford!
But in industry simillar technology is already in use for some time.
Not cheap stuff - way over our league, that's why we dont speak to much about those....

You see ? this is a tecnhical forum; I have done this before, and others too: to give a possible explanation of how LRL CAN work.
That should have interested people, someone should have begun to test it or give an opinion about it, or build some testing device, instead we have the same old sterile discussions .
I think a carefull ballance of electric and magnetic field detector could work to detect those gradients anomalies.They are both related and detecting variations only when both are changing could help to avoid interferences.
Esteban have said before either a fm receiver and a loop (spiral or whatever) can make a LRL in some extend.Maybe the PD is the mixing of both.
Maybe this is all trick of the mind.This possibility is still open, unfortunately,but at least reasonable solutions should be discussed seriously.
Regards,
Fred.

[hung]

Now Hung lives in a parallel dimension where he rules laws of physics and they follow his directives.That´s fine for me, but i wouldn´t give too much importnace to his claims.

Fred.

One more BS from ignorants.
Prove what you claimed above.

Mirror Ivconic and level your imaturity.

[Max]

I personally am sure that Morgan (and Geo) only want to show us how this LRL works.Nothing else.But i have no way to convince you
Now Hung lives in a parallel dimension where he rules laws of physics and they follow his directives.That´s fine for me, but i wouldn´t give too much importnace to his claims.


You see ? this is a tecnhical forum; I have done this before, and others too: to give a possible explanation of how LRL CAN work.
That should have interested people, someone should have begun to test it or give an opinion about it, or build some testing device, instead we have the same old sterile discussions .
I think a carefull ballance of electric and magnetic field detector could work to detect those gradients anomalies.They are both related and detecting variations only when both are changing could help to avoid interferences.
Esteban have said before either a fm receiver and a loop (spiral or whatever) can make a LRL in some extend.Maybe the PD is the mixing of both.
Maybe this is all trick of the mind.This possibility is still open, unfortunately,but at least reasonable solutions should be discussed seriously.
Regards,
Fred.

Who told you that Dr. Hung live in a parallel dimension ???

She lives in a bunker...

And need be debunkered from time to time...

Kind regards,
Max